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[Drencrom]

Saying I don't understand it therefore it's bad is not criticism.

Oh, bringing the old chestnut "you just don't GET the artistic statement, man" into the discussion, are you?

There's pretty much nothing more to get from this exhibition than what they said it was supposed to represent and invoke. Sure, what you might experience or see beside that in this art piece is different from others, but claiming that others people's opinions and criticism only stems from they don't "getting it" is incredibly dismissive and bad for discussion.

 

[Fudgepuppy]

I saw the title, and thought to myself "I wonder how many posts we would go before people would be complaining and shitting on modern art".

You rarely surprise me GAF.

 

[Greddleok]

Oh, bringing the old chestnut "you just don't GET the artistic statement, man" into the discussion, are you?

There's pretty much nothing more to get from this exhibition than what they said it was supposed to represent and invoke. Sure, what you might experience besides or see in this art piece is different from others, but claiming that others people opinions and criticism only stems from they don't "getting it" is incredibly dismissive and bad for discussion.

Thanks for speaking for me.

I never mentioned that, I never said it was good, nor that the poster just doesn't get it. I'm just saying that the poster who said I don't get it therefore it's pretentious isn't criticism.

 

[Funky Papa]

And nothing of value was lost.

 

[DesertEater]

itt: people thinking they have the perfect definition for art and they decide what is art what is not

Not that I understand or appreciate all of this abstract/contemporary art, but it seems like it always gets antagonised and dismissed as not 'real art' specially by people that don't have art related backgrounds.

It's almost like listening to the radio and saying music nowadays is terrible.

Maybe the gap between the artistic community and the rest of the population grew to a point where art is becoming more and more self referential that it's hard for some dude walking down the street to just appreciate. I know large museums usually have write ups 'explaining' the work displayed though I'm not sure if exhibits would that.

 

[dh4niel]

I see no problem here.

 

[BriGuy]

I think most of the real art in modern art is how you "sell" your creation to the museum/public to convince them it's art.

This isn't some pile of shit I threw together on a whim, I'm using words like "evoke" and "instill" to describe it. Or maybe I won't describe it at all, and just shoot you a bothered, wayward stare so you can feel the importance of my creation.

 

[patapuf]

Judging from the Photo i can't blame the garbagemen.

Not that there isn't some deeper point that can be made about our garbage... but it still looks like garbage

 

[Ainsz]

Art.

 

[Gnome]

Is this art?

Spoiler

It's a crucifix in a jar of urine.

 

[Altairre]

Ist das Kunst oder kann das weg?

Haha, that's what I thought of as well.

 

[Kezen]

Anything can pass for art these days.

 

[Fudgepuppy]

Anything can pass for art these days.

Because art is what you bring to it.

Eye of the beholder etc.

 

[BGBW]

The creators of the installation, Sara Goldschmied and Eleonora Chiari were not amused.

“What happened was bad."

The cleaner separated the glass, plastic and paper into individual bags

No, that's is highly efficient cleaning and should be commended. I'd like to see the creators try to clean up so well.

 

[Limited Edition]

Anything can pass for art these days.

At least 4chan gets it. And one of the lucky bastards made some decent money because of it.

 

[Log4Girlz]

Modern art was a mistake. It's nothing but trash.

 

[Tertullian]

"Mistaken"?

Modern art really is trash (at least for the most part). Yes, I'm serious.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Saying I don't understand it therefore it's bad is not criticism.

Saying you think it's not good art or art at all is criticism.

 

[Monocle]

i see no problem

Where's the mistake tbh?

 

[Chiaroscuro]

Don't they see the hilarity and irony that their trash of an "artistic statement" on consumerism and big rich folk parties was cleaned up by some poor, lowpaid cleaners?

The artist really missed a golden oportunity here.

 

[CarpeDeezNutz]

Is this art?

Spoiler

It's a crucifix in a jar of urine.

I remember seeing that projected on like a 50 foot screen my first year at college and shocked. The Internet was not what it is now and I had not been exposed to much stuff like that except for like old school gore sites.

 

[stump sock]

The artist really missed a golden oportunity here.

the need to "keep the discussion alive" about the excess of parties in the 80's (I mean come on) really tips their hand here. their feelings being bruised are more important than realizing that their dumb project actually gained some meaning simply by being binned.

 

[teruterubozu]

Criticism of mass consumerism always seems to be the laziest form of modern art. Just buy some things and arrange them. Warhol is dead.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

The janitors are the real artists here. By doing the act of throwing away the art, they were making the statement of art is a thing you throw away now a days. The janitors are anti-consumerism and the art is consumerism.

God bless the cleaning crew.

 

[PdotMichael]

Modern art isn't trash but just a weird form of investment.

 

[faridmon]

I saw some "modern art" on tv once that was simply a wooden table with a banana on it.

I don't understand art like this, it just comes across as pretentious and intentionally confusing so that people can feel high and mighty for 'getting it'

Oh god, I can already imagine your hate speech if you happen to Visit Camden Gallery or Whitechappel Gallery. lol

I once saw hanging dirty cloths as exhibitions item as art items. That was cray!

 

[KooopaKid]

lol modern art has been ridiculous for a while. Where's the talent?
The janitors are the real artists, their accentidental statement (or was it?) is more meaningful than the "original art".

 

[Drencrom]

the need to "keep the discussion alive" about the excess of parties in the 80's (I mean come on) really tips their hand here. their feelings being bruised are more important than realizing that their dumb project actually gained some meaning simply by being binned.

Pretty much, they really revealed their hackness with them being saddened by their trash reasonably getting cleaned up and removed.

Not that I expect much from these former art students now turned self-proclaimed artists that reuses ideas that harkens back to the 1920's with their pitiful attempts at making some worthless consumerism statement.

 

[collige]

the need to "keep the discussion alive" about the excess of parties in the 80's (I mean come on) really tips their hand here. their feelings being bruised are more important than realizing that their dumb project actually gained some meaning simply by being binned.

The creators didn't say anything about 'the discussion', that was the museum director.

 

[John Kowalski]

lol calling it modern art just shows how little you know

This isn't modernist stuff

 

[mantidor]

I saw this before, all I could do was laugh.

The artist should be happy honestly, his art took the next level.

 

[Chiaroscuro]

The creators didn't say anything about 'the discussion', that was the museum director.

They did:

The creators of the installation, Sara Goldschmied and Eleonora Chiari were not amused.

“What happened was bad."

 

[Gnome]

lol calling it modern art just shows how little you know

This isn't modernist stuff

Yeah, the stuff people really hate the most is Post Modern Art, mostly Fluxus and Conceptual.

 

[Chiaroscuro]

the need to "keep the discussion alive" about the excess of parties in the 80's (I mean come on) really tips their hand here. their feelings being bruised are more important than realizing that their dumb project actually gained some meaning simply by being binned.

Pretty much, they really revealed their hackness with them being saddened by their trash reasonably getting cleaned up and removed.

Not that I expect much from these former art students now turned self-proclaimed artists that reuses ideas that harkens back to the 1920's with their pitiful attempts at making some worthless consumerism statement.

Pick the museum security tape and make an instalation about it! The ultimate statement!

Seriously, this is not bad art (if there is something like that), this is bad artists.

 

[teruterubozu]

lol calling it modern art just shows how little you know

This isn't modernist stuff

It's definitely Warholian Modern Art. They may think it's Post-Modern or Contempoary, or whatever, but it's a pretty tired outdated form of consumer criticism.

 

[Chiaroscuro]

Yeah, the stuff people really hate the most is Post Modern Art, mostly Fluxus and Conceptual.

Mostly because the "normal" people fail to understand what art is. It is a statement, a vision by the artist, crafted to create an emotional response on the viewer (this is my personal view of art is).

Let me ask a question for the haters: If that scene was painted on a canvas, would it be art? If so, what is the difference? Just the medium?

 

[teruterubozu]

Mostly because the "normal" people fail to understand what art is. It is an statement, a vision by the artist, crafted to create an emotional response on the viewer (this is my personal view of art is).

Let me ask a question for the haters: If that scene was painted on a canvas, would it be art? If sp, what is the difference? Just the medium?

It's art, just not very compelling art.

 

[Dali]

Not that I understand or appreciate all of this abstract/contemporary art, but it seems like it always gets antagonised and dismissed as not 'real art' specially by people that don't have art related backgrounds.

It's almost like listening to the radio and saying music nowadays is terrible.

Maybe the gap between the artistic community and the rest of the population grew to a point where art is becoming more and more self referential that it's hard for some dude walking down the street to just appreciate. I know large museums usually have write ups 'explaining' the work displayed though I'm not sure if exhibits would that.

You don't have to "get" it. The artist is usually more than happy to explicitly explain how deep and thought provoking their piece is. So it usually just comes down to do you agree a turd in a snow cone is an accurate representation of the plight of disillusioned millenials or is it just some guy that pooped in a snow cone because people will eat their shit up?

 

[30yearsofhurt]

Modern art was a mistake. It's nothing but trash.

Should have been first post people!

 

[Violet_0]

They did:

The creators of the installation, Sara Goldschmied and Eleonora Chiari were not amused.

“What happened was bad."

the only time their art installation held any meaning or value was when it got mistakenly thrown away with the trash. The moment they reinstalled it it went back to being worthless and nobody cares about it. They should have run with this, amateur hour

 

[Moff]

I think the moment that the clean up cew mistook it for real trash was the very moment this art became alive and something powerful, the act of throwing it away should be seen as part of the artwork. I love it.

 

[Luigiv]

Saying I don't understand it therefore it's bad is not criticism.

Understand what exactly? It's literally just trash. The artists intentions don't actually mean anything when the piece itself says nothing.

 

[teruterubozu]

Understand what exactly? It's literally just trash. The artists intentions don't actually mean anything when the piece itself says nothing.

Plus it was mistaken as trash...in an art museum of all places.

 

[lordfuzzybutt]

I do not see what is being mistaken as trash here?

 

[Razorback]

Because art is what you bring to it.

Eye of the beholder etc.

Eye of the beholder indeed. That's the only thing still keeping this industry alive. Everyone involved in it has indoctrinated themselves into seeing value where there is none.

Around 100 years ago the art community suffered an identity crises and came out of it with its priorities pretty much inversed. Self-referentialism became the main focus and by the 1970's about anything that could be done had been done. The problem is that it didn't end there, the dog kept chasing its own tail in circles digging a hole under its feet and still today it doesn't seem like it will ever get out of it.

I have an art background, and in college I knew what it was like to almost "get" it. But luckily I saw through it. It's not hard to change someone's values. Up is down, good is bad, love is hate. Cults do it all the time. And it's even easier if you can make it feel like you're smarter than other people if you hold these views.

Modern art and postmodern art has long abandoned humanity and its values. It seems happy to be a small club only for the elite.

Good thing we don't need them. There's more great art being made today than at any other point in time, easily accessible to anyone.

 

[old]

Looks like the piece was about excess partying. But society cleaned it up which says a lot about society. Then the artist forced the mess back out...which says a lot about the artist.

Their idea about the waste and mess of excess partying doesn't hold up when society so quickly cleans it up.

I'm scoring this:
Society - 1
Artist - 0

 

[Gnome]

Eye of the beholder indeed. That's the only thing still keeping this industry alive. Everyone involved in it has indoctrinated themselves into seeing value where there is none.

Around 100 years ago the art community suffered an identity crises and came out of it with its priorities pretty much inversed. Self-referentialism became the main focus and by the 1970's about anything that could be done had been done. The problem is that it didn't end there, the dog kept chasing its own tail in circles digging a hole under its feet and still today it doesn't seem like it will ever get out of it.

I have an art background, and in college I knew what it was like to almost "get" it. But luckily I saw through it. It's not hard to change someone's values. Up is down, good is bad, love is hate. Cults do it all the time. And it's even easier if you can make it feel like you're smarter than other people if you hold these views.

Modern art and postmodern art has long abandoned humanity and its values. It seems happy to be a small club only for the elite.

Good thing we don't need them. There's more great art being made today than at any other point in time, easily accessible to anyone.

It's funny because that identity crisis 100 years ago was largely rooted in trying to break down the wall of High and Low art. Now today, that art has become the sanctuary that High Artists retreat to when they want their art to feel more important.

I would argue that the one of the greatest movements of art in recent memories is the Indie Game Dev scene.

 

[TheSeks]

Shitty artist that can't even spin the "it being thrown away" into a think piece on modern art.

She could've said the installation being thrown away shows that the 1980's are over and the economy crashed to where people have had to throw away their excess, just like the art-installation was showing the excess of the 1980's.

BAM. META AS FUCK. ...I should be an artist.

 

[Beefy]

I have never really got modern art.

 

[oti]

You bring your own interpretation to it.
Deep.

It's the S.A.G.A.P.O of art exhibits.