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[vanguardian1]

Well, the problem is that last generation most western developers didn't develop for the GameCube at all, and either had some small, specialized team "port" their code to the Cube or they simply outsourced Cube development altogether.

In addition to the 360 being extremely easy for PC developers to switch to (which are making up a large part of the current console market in the west, compared to previous generations), and you have several of the factors that work against Nintendo.

 

[BISON!]

I love how selling a million copies of a pretty bad port of last year's game, is still not enough for Activision. Class act.

 

[EDarkness]

I love how selling a million copies of a pretty bad port of last year's game, is still not enough for Activision. Class act.

This generation is strange. They're definitely leaving money on the table on this one. Hard to believe that in this day and age the market leader can't get games made for it. I've never seen anything like it. Heh, heh.

 

[boiled goose]

This generation is strange. They're definitely leaving money on the table on this one. Hard to believe that in this day and age the market leader can't get games made for it. I've never seen anything like it. Heh, heh.

i would argue they are leaving even more money on the table than just the sales of MW2.
the strength of the COD and MW franchises on wii and with nintendo fans as a whole is affected by this and will suffer for next gen as well

 

[hellclerk]

well, apparently CaVaYeRo says SOMETHING Modern Warfare related is coming to the Wii. what? he wouldn't say, nor does he know when he can, further driving us all insane. maybe whatever this is will be announced in the next Nintendo Power...

 

[J-Rzez]

Hard to believe that in this day and age the market leader can't get games made for it.

It's not hard to believe at all considering the Wii's situation. The perception of what it's user base is made up of gamer wise and "what they want". It's control scheme. It's hardware capabilities.

 

[EDarkness]

It's not hard to believe at all considering the Wii's situation. The perception of what it's user base is made up of gamer wise and "what they want". It's control scheme. It's hardware capabilities.

I think developers are over thinking this. There should be no reason why the Wii can't get good third party games. When a company like High Voltage has to take up the mantle of "Champion of Wii core gamers", you know there's a problem.

 

[hellclerk]

I think developers are over thinking this. There should be no reason why the Wii can't get good third party games. When a company like High Voltage has to take up the mantle of "Champion of Wii core gamers", you know there's a problem.

indeed. good games aren't made by thinking bigger, but by thinking smarter. because developers are stuck in the concept of "bigger," they lose sight of what's better, even if the two line up from time to time. it also effects their judgement on how to approach Wii games, where they think the audience likes "small" but reality, no one likes either, they like good. sometimes good comes in small, sometimes it comes in big. it's never really the scope, it's what the scope pertains.

 

[EDarkness]

indeed. good games aren't made by thinking bigger, but by thinking smarter. because developers are stuck in the concept of "bigger," they lose sight of what's better, even if the two line up from time to time. it also effects their judgement on how to approach Wii games, where they think the audience likes "small" but reality, no one likes either, they like good. sometimes good comes in small, sometimes it comes in big. it's never really the scope, it's what the scope pertains.

It's like developers have forgotten how to make games or something. Why does the Wii need all this "thinking" to decide what to make for it? I understand the control scheme argument, but with having a Classic Controller even that argument is moot. I'm thinking people just simply don't want to do it. Wii owners want the same thing console owners want. Don't see why that's so hard to figure out.

 

[Sailor]

Don't know if this has been said before, but how could there be a MW2 for the Wii when there wasn't even a Modern Warfare 1 for the system?

 

[Cipherr]

None of these scenarios would lend itself well to a game that's on par with the relatively well-received WaW port on the Wii, do they?

Again. None of that matters. Either get a second team to port MW on the off years or hire more staff, why? Because the game sells over a million copies and is very profitable.

Saying that its not easy doesnt mean much. Until someone can show me how making dollars and cents is a bad idea, to me it just seems like a silly thing to do.

It's not hard to believe at all considering the Wii's situation. The perception of what it's user base is made up of gamer wise and "what they want". It's control scheme. It's hardware capabilities.

It does matter what the Wii's situation is or what the perception is. When a game sells over a million and is profitable, that trumps all other bullshit.

 

[J-Rzez]

It does matter what the Wii's situation is or what the perception is. When a game sells over a million and is profitable, that trumps all other bullshit.

Then maybe it's a sense of "pride" at the developer. It's one thing to make a version for handhelds, but maybe to them they don't want to see their work having to get butchered to fit on the Wii's lesser hardware.

That has been brought up numerous times now, and some people still can't grasp the possibility that perhaps devs have pride in their work and they don't want to compromise it for some quick sales. Since we don't have a direct answer, it could be what I mentioned before, or just now.

This is no different than any other "high-profile", or hell, nearly any PS360PC game thread, with Wii owners begging for ports. Nothing has changed, regardless of the crazy sales over the years, perhaps some developers just don't like the Wii being in the state of hardware capability that it is, or the market that it's perceived to have following it.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

http://kotaku.com/5315981/infinity-ward-talks-modern-warfare-2-43-stories-up

Told y'all.

 

[antonlev]

Don't know if this has been said before, but how could there be a MW2 for the Wii when there wasn't even a Modern Warfare 1 for the system?

Because that's the name of the game?

 

[EDarkness]

Then maybe it's a sense of "pride" at the developer. It's one thing to make a version for handhelds, but maybe to them they don't want to see their work having to get butchered to fit on the Wii's lesser hardware.

That has been brought up numerous times now, and some people still can't grasp the possibility that perhaps devs have pride in their work and they don't want to compromise it for some quick sales. Since we don't have a direct answer, it could be what I mentioned before, or just now.

This is no different than any other "high-profile", or hell, nearly any PS360PC game thread, with Wii owners begging for ports. Nothing has changed, regardless of the crazy sales over the years, perhaps some developers just don't like the Wii being in the state of hardware capability that it is, or the market that it's perceived to have following it.

They can choose which systems they want their games on. We can't do anything about that and ultimately it's their choice. But why even bother with World At War (trying to build a fan base) if they weren't going to continue building on that success? That's the part I'm confused about. I could even understand it if the game sold poorly, but this isn't that kind of situation.

Not only that, but why are handhelds exempt from criticism? If it's okay to make a dumbed down DS/PSP version, then it should sure as hell be okay to make a Wii one.

 

[Dash Kappei]

Don't know if this has been said before, but how could there be a MW2 for the Wii when there wasn't even a Modern Warfare 1 for the system?

:lol

Dead Rising 2 PS3 canceled, you heard it here folks!

 

[J-Rzez]

They can choose which systems they want their games on. We can't do anything about that and ultimately it's their choice. But why even bother with World At War (trying to build a fan base) if they weren't going to continue building on that success? That's the part I'm confused about. I could even understand it if the game sold poorly, but this isn't that kind of situation.

Not only that, but why are handhelds exempt from criticism? If it's okay to make a dumbed down DS/PSP version, then it should sure as hell be okay to make a Wii one.

Lesser expectations (as hardware dictates) out of "portable gaming" than for a machine that is hooked up to your main TV in your home.

WaW was maybe a cash in, and Trey may not have the same "clout" that IW does, so they made one for it by request of Actiblizz, or they just wanted to do it.

 

[DuckRacer]

They can choose which systems they want their games on. We can't do anything about that and ultimately it's their choice. But why even bother with World At War (trying to build a fan base) if they weren't going to continue building on that success? That's the part I'm confused about. I could even understand it if the game sold poorly, but this isn't that kind of situation.

Treyarch ≠ Infinity Ward

Not only that, but why are handhelds exempt from criticism? If it's okay to make a dumbed down DS/PSP version, then it should sure as hell be okay to make a Wii one.

Because a CoD DS version isn't very similar to its PS3/360 counterpart at all?

edit: you know, if Nintendo didn't release last-gen hardware in their (now) current-gen system, we wouldn't be having these problems at all. Just saying.

I am just curious, did World at War release simultaneously across all platforms, including the Wii?

Yes

 

[carlo6529]

I am just curious, did World at War release simultaneously across all platforms, including the Wii?

 

[John Harker]

Told y'all.

said it months ago, but the thread still got made ::shrug::

 

[EDarkness]

Lesser expectations (as hardware dictates) out of "portable gaming" than for a machine that is hooked up to your main TV in your home.

WaW was maybe a cash in, and Trey may not have the same "clout" that IW does, so they made one for it by request of Actiblizz, or they just wanted to do it.

Lesser expectations would also apply to the Wii version as well. Who knows what's going on behind the scene, but it is pretty baffling.

 

[NauthiX]

Wow, though i won't buy it, that would be really cool.

 

[markot]

Why would you want to put one of the biggest franchises on a console with the biggest install base which has a lack of good games in the same genre?

It just doesnt make business sense.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

said it months ago, but the thread still got made ::shrug::

Well by "ya'll" I meant doomed1.

 

[hellclerk]

Well by "ya'll" I meant doomed1.

hey, don't look at me, i'm the optimistic pragmatist. someone generally trustworthy said it was so and it made perfect sense, so why wouldn't i expect it? are we really so jaded as to be unable to expect the positive? have we really been led astray so many times that we can't trust in logic when it serves us? if so, it's a sad statement, about the state of the fan AND the industry...

 

[ThatObviousUser]

hey, don't look at me, i'm the optimistic pragmatist. someone generally trustworthy said it was so and it made perfect sense, so why wouldn't i expect it? are we really so jaded as to be unable to expect the positive? have we really been led astray so many times that we can't trust in logic when it serves us? if so, it's a sad statement, about the state of the fan AND the industry...

It was quite easy to look at the facts and know it wasn't happening.

Point: Hasn't even been mentioned officially despite coming out in three and a half months.
Counterpoint: Random message board user says it's coming.

Hrm which to trust...? Unless you were deliberately blinding yourself, it was quite obvious.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

i would argue they are leaving even more money on the table than just the sales of MW2.
the strength of the COD and MW franchises on wii and with nintendo fans as a whole is affected by this and will suffer for next gen as well

COD 2010 (whatever it's called) will probably end up on Wii.

And I really don't think Infinity Ward cares about who is the market leader next gen, CoD fans will buy the hardware they choose to make games on to play their games, just like Valve fans, Blizzard fans, Kojima fans, and Nintendo fans. It's what I've been trying to say in the past month of this thread, there are some games/devs that are beyond the whims of hardware manufacturers and publishers.

Whomever IW decides to develop for next gen will get the lion's share of FPS announcement's, CoD has become the West's equivalent of DQ/FF.

 

[CaVaYeRo]

I don't want to tease anyone, I just said that preorder sleeve wasn't completely right, and you say I'm teasing or playing or doing it wrong, come on, I'm not about that, and some people here knows it from before.

I think Activision's answer is pretty obvious, same for Kotaku's exact question. And I don't change my mind, if I give a clue with the sleeve, then it's fair to be PM'd about it, but if Acti says MW2 is not coming, then I' a bad person or something. We said a Wii version was coming, and today, I don't think it will be canceled. Just wait for the real announcement, I think it should be near (at least I hope so! so this can be understood).

Things aren't as exact as you think, and people is not always about hey, look at me! If MWWii never comes out, Revogamers and me are the first affected.

 

[Ormberg]

I don't want to tease anyone, I just said that preorder sleeve wasn't completely right, and you say I'm teasing or playing or doing it wrong, come on, I'm not about that, and some people here knows it from before.

I think Activision's answer is pretty obvious, same for Kotaku's exact question. And I don't change my mind, if I give a clue with the sleeve, then it's fair to be PM'd about it, but if Acti says MW2 is not coming, then I' a bad person or something. We said a Wii version was coming, and today, I don't think it will be canceled. Just wait for the real announcement, I think it should be near (at least I hope so! so this can be understood).

Things aren't as exact as you think, and people is not always about hey, look at me! If MWWii never comes out, Revogamers and me are the first affected.

The plot thinkens!

 

[Flachmatuch]

COD 2010 (whatever it's called) will probably end up on Wii.

And I really don't think Infinity Ward cares about who is the market leader next gen, CoD fans will buy the hardware they choose to make games on to play their games, just like Valve fans, Blizzard fans, Kojima fans, and Nintendo fans. It's what I've been trying to say in the past month of this thread, there are some games/devs that are beyond the whims of hardware manufacturers and publishers.

I disagree, imo being on the right platform is a big part of CoD's success, which is mostly based on the upsurge of console FPS'. Its success could be lost with a single bad MW game imo, or some new game coming along, as there's quite a bit of competition in this genre, and it's not (definitely not yet) comparable to any of the games you listed. Maybe it'll be, but it's more like a FIFA or a PES

Whomever IW decides to develop for next gen will get the lion's share of FPS announcement's, CoD has become the West's equivalent of DQ/FF.

I think just as MoH or Halo did (which was relatively bigger when the FPS market was smaller), CoD could very easily lose the lead. It's a very competitive market.

 

[Frencherman]

I don't want to tease anyone, I just said that preorder sleeve wasn't completely right, and you say I'm teasing or playing or doing it wrong, come on, I'm not about that, and some people here knows it from before.

I think Activision's answer is pretty obvious, same for Kotaku's exact question. And I don't change my mind, if I give a clue with the sleeve, then it's fair to be PM'd about it, but if Acti says MW2 is not coming, then I' a bad person or something. We said a Wii version was coming, and today, I don't think it will be canceled. Just wait for the real announcement, I think it should be near (at least I hope so! so this can be understood).

Things aren't as exact as you think, and people is not always about hey, look at me! If MWWii never comes out, Revogamers and me are the first affected.

Tell me, why should Activision do such a secret about a Wii-Version by denying it for surprise? His answer was clear with no potential backdoors...

 

[Sadist]

Me thinks the inside-guy has some stale info and he's giving it to CaVaYeRo.

 

[Vagabundo]

Tell me, why should Activision do such a secret about a Wii-Version by denying it for surprise? His answer was clear with no potential backdoors...

Reps often lie or, even, dont have that information. Could be lots of reasons.

But I'm skeptical. All seems too fishy.

Unless they do a spin off. Then all bets are off because then is it not MW2, technically.

Maybe they are porting MW1 to the Wii.. lol

 

[Y2Kev]

This is an opportunity for the Conduit. Sega should do another Dreamcast-style repush ("Sorry for your shipping difficulties") and push the Conduit past Call of Duty as the premier casual shooter.

 

[hellclerk]

COD 2010 (whatever it's called) will probably end up on Wii.

And I really don't think Infinity Ward cares about who is the market leader next gen, CoD fans will buy the hardware they choose to make games on to play their games, just like Valve fans, Blizzard fans, Kojima fans, and Nintendo fans. It's what I've been trying to say in the past month of this thread, there are some games/devs that are beyond the whims of hardware manufacturers and publishers.

Whomever IW decides to develop for next gen will get the lion's share of FPS announcement's, CoD has become the West's equivalent of DQ/FF.

well, the only thing about that is that the CoD franchise has been on EVERY CURRENT HOME CONSOLE plus PC since the start. only CoD4 was missed on the Wii, so CoD isn't some grand exclusive franchise, nor will it be next gen.

now the question is what form the next MW game will take on the Wii, if it takes one at all. there's not that much beyond a FPS with the same stop and pop shooting with a fleshed out online component in the same vein as MW1 (and by extension WaW and MW2) that would convince me to buy it.

 

[EatChildren]

said it months ago, but the thread still got made ::shrug::

Thread was made because I too didn't expect a Wii version, yet saw a major retail chain taking pre-orders, and even advertising those pre-orders.

I still think something "Call of Duty" related is coming. WaW sold ~1million. It will probably be an on-rails 'war experience' game in vein of Dead Space: Extraction, made with a small budget by a B-team, and make a killer profit.

 

[hellclerk]

Thread was made because I too didn't expect a Wii version, yet saw a major retail chain taking pre-orders, and even advertising those pre-orders.

I still think something "Call of Duty" related is coming. WaW sold ~1million. It will probably be an on-rails 'war experience' game in vein of Dead Space: Extraction, made with a small budget by a B-team, and make a killer profit.

if that's the case, i won't touch the game with ten foot pole. people bought the game for the name and stayed for the multiplayer. it currently has the most play time per person than any other game on the Wii. they would be completely alienating anyone who bought WaW, and then they would have to go up against both REDC and Dead Space. it just wouldn't be a good idea from any angle.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

I don't want to tease anyone, I just said that preorder sleeve wasn't completely right, and you say I'm teasing or playing or doing it wrong, come on, I'm not about that, and some people here knows it from before.

I think Activision's answer is pretty obvious, same for Kotaku's exact question. And I don't change my mind, if I give a clue with the sleeve, then it's fair to be PM'd about it, but if Acti says MW2 is not coming, then I' a bad person or something. We said a Wii version was coming, and today, I don't think it will be canceled. Just wait for the real announcement, I think it should be near (at least I hope so! so this can be understood).

Things aren't as exact as you think, and people is not always about hey, look at me! If MWWii never comes out, Revogamers and me are the first affected.

:lol Crow will be had.

 

[hellclerk]

:lol Crow will be had.

the only question is by whom. things don't look so hot for CaVaYeRo right now...

 

[poppabk]

Whomever IW decides to develop for next gen will get the lion's share of FPS announcement's, CoD has become the West's equivalent of DQ/FF.

But do IW or Activision own the rights to CoD and Modern Warfare brands? CoD:WaW demonstrated that IW are pretty much irrelevant to the equation, its the next CoD game people want not the next IW game.

 

[boyshine]

A Nintendo-specific (Wii+DS) Call of Duty franchise could be cool, maybe in a TimeSplitters-ish artstyle? Just fill it to the brim with game modes. Singleplayer, co-op, splitscreen, online, bots, customizable, level editor.. and I think it'll have a chance of becoming a hit. I think what EA does with FIFA, Madden and NFS this year on Wii is smart (I really wish they had done the same with Tiger10's art direction), and maybe this is the route Activision is considering for WiiCoD too.

 

[sevenchaos]

CoD Wii cell shaded would be all kinds of fuck awesome.

 

[Flachmatuch]

Then maybe it's a sense of "pride" at the developer. It's one thing to make a version for handhelds, but maybe to them they don't want to see their work having to get butchered to fit on the Wii's lesser hardware.

That has been brought up numerous times now, and some people still can't grasp the possibility that perhaps devs have pride in their work and they don't want to compromise it for some quick sales. Since we don't have a direct answer, it could be what I mentioned before, or just now.

This is no different than any other "high-profile", or hell, nearly any PS360PC game thread, with Wii owners begging for ports. Nothing has changed, regardless of the crazy sales over the years, perhaps some developers just don't like the Wii being in the state of hardware capability that it is, or the market that it's perceived to have following it.

Yeah, they'd rather go bankrupt /o\ I think the programmers and gameplay designers might be proud of what they did with CoD4, as it's technically brilliant and gameplay is great, but aside from that, it's a disgusting, jingoist, racist piece of trash. I like shooters and I like the Wii, I can also take a little bit of military bullshit, but CoD4 was just too much and I definitely wouldn't play MW2. I just can't imagine that anyone with any self respect can be proud of that piece of trash, except the technicians.

edit: you know, if Nintendo didn't release last-gen hardware in their (now) current-gen system, we wouldn't be having these problems at all. Just saying.

Except if you look at the actual market, Nintendo was the only company that was right. In anything approaching real capitalism, neither MS nor Sony would be in gaming any more. Just saying.

 

[Rush2thestart]

You know, the more I think about it, a new Call of Duty IP for Wii and DS would be pretty awesome. I loved World at War Wii (more than the PC version even), but I couldn't help but feel that I wasn't getting the entire package.

An entirely new game, but still in the same genre, would be awesome. I wouldn't have to buy the same game twice!

 

[dragonfart28]

That's a shame. The COD franchise is engaging on some level, but it isn't as if the games are graphical masterpieces in any way, shape or form. I'll always consider Wii FPS' over their console counterparts but I guess I'm in the minority.

 

[Flachmatuch]

That's a shame. The COD franchise is engaging on some level, but it isn't as if the games are graphical masterpieces in any way, shape or form. I'll always consider Wii FPS' over their console counterparts but I guess I'm in the minority.

Thing is, it's a pretty significant minority that could be served relatively cheaply.

 

[Sneaky_Gopher]

Don't know if this has been said before, but how could there be a MW2 for the Wii when there wasn't even a Modern Warfare 1 for the system?

:lol Joke post?

 

[jrricky]

WTF is going on in this thread? Let it die people.:lol

 

[Screenboy]

MW2 on the rails for wii

 

[hellclerk]

WTF is going on in this thread? Let it die people.:lol

it won't die until someone says they were lying/totally backpedals or the game is officially announced for the system. it's what happens when there isn't clear communication of a business's intent. sometimes it's advantageous and even fun for those involved, i.e. Nintendo's controller hype, other times it's just annoying, like in this case. then again, those questions that can be answered with a simple yes or no are often the most frustrating kind. i just wish someone would have asked Activision if a Wii version was coming out in the first place. our enthusiast press is terrible!

edit: and yes, i did just turn your answer into a rant against the gaming press. hadn't really noticed until i posted :lol