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[-tetsuo-]

Circle strafing attack choppers in BC2 was more OP than the entire killstreaks roster in any Call of duty ever released.

Uhh, no

 

[Nizz]

He already stated he was buying Battlefield 3, so your point is? It's not like he lives in a vacuum and only plays Activision products.

Also, at least there haven't been any stories about IW devs not being able to try BF3 or vice versa. Both games are going to do fine.

I watched that Caspion trailer again and the most amazing thing is that the quality of these graphics are moving at 60fps (on PC). If someone would tell me next gen consoles will give me these quality graphics at 60fps then I'm set.

 

[SolidSnakex]

GS: The big holiday fight is shaping up to be Battlefield 3 vs. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3. How are you going to measure whether Battlefield 3 was a success? Do you have to outsell Call of Duty, or is simply selling a truckload and coming in a lucrative second place good enough?

PM: No. It's less about being second place. This is about taking market share. This is really about a long-term strategy in what we think is a very important shooter segment that has driven over the last few years multiple billions of dollars of revenue into the industry.

If you look at last year, you might argue that Call of Duty took maybe 90 percent of the market share. We think we can knock that down to 70 percent this year. We don't have to outsell Call of Duty to have a very successful year. This is a long-term strategy to be a major player, if not ultimately a dominant player in this industry. But it starts this year.

Again, we've got a precedent. If you remember, FIFA and Pro Evolution Soccer used to be as recently as three or four years ago, head-to-head in a lot of markets, with PES as the dominant brand. We invested enormously in both the quality of the game, the marketing, a real focus on getting the game right, and being there for gamers and building a community around it. It's no different than what we intend to do in the shooter category.

http://gamescom.gamespot.com/story/6329903/battlefield-3-is-about-taking-market-share-moore

 

[Mik2121]

Also, at least there haven't been any stories about IW devs not being able to try BF3 or vice versa. Both games are going to do fine.

I watched that Caspion trailer again and the most amazing thing is that the quality of these graphics are moving at 60fps (on PC). If someone would tell me next gen consoles will give me these quality graphics at 60fps then I'm set.

I think you're overestimating what you're seeing.

I mean, yes. It looks amazing (probably some of the best stuff this gen, imo). But most of it is composition, good layout (knowing where to put the more detailed stuff so that everything surrounding it feels as detailed even if it isn't) and lots of effects that are not as intensive as they probably look. Next gen we will have much better stuff than that. But for example the trees on the background are fairly low poly (probably LOD'd and they'll look much better when walking next to them) and some stuff doesn't even use normal maps (or at least doesn't seem to) to save memory.
Don't get me wrong, it looks amazing. But this is more a case of better knowing how to work within your limits rather than pushing the limits up. Or maybe both, but much more of the former than the later.

Like every game, once you get your hands on it and put tons of hours on it, you will start to notice all the little shortcuts and things DICE did (and that every company does or tries to, of course)

 

[Anton Sugar]

Like every game, once you get your hands on it and put tons of hours on it, you will start to notice all the little shortcuts and things DICE did (and that every company does or tries to, of course)

Yeah, but it's not like this will change next generation. It's just going to be a new set of shortcuts to take. Why render far off trees at full detail if you can't even see them? LOD isn't going away. I'd rather have efficiency than excess.

 

[Mik2121]

Yeah, but it's not like this will change next generation. It's just going to be a new set of shortcuts to take. Why render far off trees at full detail if you can't even see them? LOD isn't going away.

Where did I say LOD is going away? Of course it isn't, but the detail that can be used on each level can and will go up. It obviously is a game-by-game case and some games will definitely benefit more than others from this kind of stuff.

Also, I never said that the low poly trees are bad, though if you look at it while someone else is playing, you can notice (while playing, you will hardly notice).

I'm a 3D Environment artist myself and I've come to learn quite a bunch of those tricks, and of course the basics will stay around for quite a while unless some new magical technology shows up (don't think the "Unlimited Detail" will be it, at least not how it is right now, but I don't know that much about that kind of technical stuff).

 

[Izayoi]

I know it's petty, but...

MW3 one hour after open:

Battlefield 3 one hour after open:

 

[Mik2121]

I know it's petty, but...

MW3 one hour after open:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6074/6056527432_c18f67b4bf_b.jpg[img]

Battlefield 3 one hour after open:

[img]http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6204/6056594900_754eb110d3_b.jpg[img][/QUOTE]
Let me guess what's really happening here:

- Some Battlefield website admin or collaborator posted this either on his website or twitter feed.

- He actually took the MW3 picture before opening or soon after opening before everybody started to get in. He also took it quite close to the MW3 wall so you can't even see all that many people (if he took it, anyway, maybe someone else took it to show the wall and he just assumed this is how many people was there)
- He took a bunch of BF3 booth pics during the whole day and took the one that looked the busiest, and then compared both pics. Also some people absolutely unrelated to the thing seems to be showing up. But that's alright...

Also... didn't BF3's booths include multiplayer? Dunno, but MW3's didn't include it for sure, and that's what sells the most.

Even then, we had two pics like these earlier. One of the MW3 queue showing a lot of people and another of MW3's queue "at the same time" with absolutely nobody. Turns out it was bullshit, and there was a nice queue waiting to enter MW3's booth too.

 

[Izayoi]

Those pics were taken by a member of GAF.

Even then, we had two pics like these earlier. One of the MW3 queue showing a lot of people and another of MW3's queue "at the same time" with absolutely nobody. Turns out it was bullshit, and there was a nice queue waiting to enter MW3's booth too.

And those images were taken yesterday. These are from today. I imagine hype/lack of hype from yesterday carried over today and gave us those results.

 

[Metal Gear?!]

Lot more enthusiasm for EAATTLEFIELD in that second picture there

 

[Enosh]

Those pics were taken by a member of GAF.


And those images were taken yesterday. These are from today. I imagine hype/lack of hype from yesterday carried over today and gave us those results.

the same poster also posted a sign that said "from here on 3h wait" ofcourse the thing is in german wich you probably don't know

 

[Izayoi]

Lot more enthusiasm for EAATTLEFIELD in that second picture there

Hahaha.

the same poster also posted a sign that said "from here on 3h wait" ofcourse the thing is in german wich you probably don't know

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6064/6056528148_7f39e72291_z.jpg[img][/quote]
I do not know German, correct.

 

[Anton Sugar]

There have been multiple reports that the MW3 line is shorter than BF3's. No need to get butthurt over it.

JUST LET US HAVE THIS ONE VICTORY OKAY

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

It's because Activision have better line management and people get to play it quicker.

TAKE THAT, EA.

 

[FutureZombie]

I loved MW2. In particular I enjoyed the killstreaks, perks, and class customization. I have not placed my preorder for MW3 yet, so...

Sell me on Battlefield 3.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

You won't get the killstreaks, perks and customisation. At least not nearly as much as in MW3.

You will however get a great game that has more of a focus on bigger environments, classes and vehicles.

Watch the latest trailer. That alone will sell you. Then buy both games for different reasons!

 

[Metalmurphy]

People are honestly doubting that BF3 is getting a hell of alot more buzz at GamesCom?...

Lets be real people.

 

[FutureZombie]

I don't remember the other Battlefield games being so hyped. What are the new features that has everyone so excited for BF3? Trailers look like any other shooter.

 

[M.W.]

I don't remember the other Battlefield games being so hyped. What are the new features that has everyone so excited for BF3? Trailers look like any other shooter.

I assume the visuals. Everything else is same-ish.

 

[Metalmurphy]

I don't remember the other Battlefield games being so hyped. What are the new features that has everyone so excited for BF3? Trailers look like any other shooter.

Really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDDfPxF3EFE

 

[FutureZombie]

Really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDDfPxF3EFE

That trailer looks good. I watched two different ones before. I like the idea of having dogfights.

At the same time, I think I would miss the Modern Warfare gameplay that I've grown to love. (I don't have the time to play both).

I've only played one Battlefield game before but since there were so many combatants, it felt like my actions had no affect on the game.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

I don't remember the other Battlefield games being so hyped. What are the new features that has everyone so excited for BF3? Trailers look like any other shooter.

I don't know of any real new features or evolution in game design, people are mostly just excited over the incredible graphics and return of staple BF features like jets.

Also, this might be the first time that CoD has really had a quality competitor launching right around the same time since the franchise really took off and started selling insane numbers (starting with MW1). So it's kind of created a "showdown" type hype that has added fuel to the fire.

 

[Anton Sugar]

There's actually a good deal of customization planned for BF3. Maybe not as much as MW3 (neither have revealed everything yet), but tons of accessories and specializations. List here. DICE claims there will be years worth of content in BF3.

MW3 doesn't have a specific MP trailer yet, right? The Survival trailer is badass though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfDrNh0fKmo

BF3's latest trailer shows off 64 player MP and jets: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDDfPxF3EFE

MW3 and the COD games in general have always satisfied a weird itch for me. I don't get as mad about losing a match as I do in BF--maybe it's because the action is so fast paced and there's not as clear a sense of "progress" as there is in BF, so it makes it easier to go from round to round to round. COD has pretty amazing gunplay and arena-based combat inspired by old school shooters.

BF has always been more about options. Hoof it on foot, team up with a squad, fly a chopper, jump from a chopper, command a tank, fly a jet, etc.. The game design is much more balanced for team play. Gunplay, traditionally, hasn't been it's strongest suit, though BF3 feels much better (they took a lot of influence from COD).

Buy both.

I don't know of any real new features or evolution in game design, people are mostly just excited over the incredible graphics and return of staple BF features like jets.

You could argue this point with just about every game in a series, including COD. It's a really shallow argument to make. There's plenty to be excited about.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

There's actually a good deal of customization planned for BF3. Maybe not as much as MW3 (neither have revealed everything yet), but tons of accessories and specializations. List here. DICE claims there will be years worth of content in BF3.

Oh, there's definitely a lot of content in there, but I like being able to customise my exact kit. You can't do that in BF3 thanks to the class based system, so that's what I meant by it has a fair bit less customisation.

 

[FutureZombie]

You could argue this point with just about every game in a series, including COD. It's a really shallow argument to make. There's plenty to be excited about.

He's not saying it as a put down. I wanted to know why there was so much hype for the game (I assumed there were new features people were excited for).

I'm not going to say MW3 has a ton of new features. I honestly know next to nothing about it, but I plan on buying it since I loved the last two MW games.

It's just strange to me that everyone is going crazy for BF3 without there being an easily defined reason (other than the graphics, which isn't reason enough for this much hype).

 

[Izayoi]

I loved MW2. In particular I enjoyed the killstreaks, perks, and class customization. I have not placed my preorder for MW3 yet, so...

Sell me on Battlefield 3.

Battlefield 3 will have lots and lots of perks and class customization. The series was one of the first (if not the first) multiplayer shooters to introduce class customization. BF3 has more unlocks, weapons, perks, and general customization options than any previous entry in the series.

It's just strange to me that everyone is going crazy for BF3 without there being an easily defined reason (other than the graphics, which isn't reason enough for this much hype).

Why is there so much hype for MW3 without there being an easily defined reason, not even graphics?

I sort of get what you're saying, but it's mainly because of two things.

1.) The return of main-series Battlefield.
2.) The graphics.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Oh, there's definitely a lot of content in there, but I like being able to customise my exact kit. You can't do that in BF3 thanks to the class based system, so that's what I meant by it has a fair bit less customisation.

Ah, good point!

He's not saying it as a put down. I wanted to know why there was so much hype for the game (I assumed there were new features people were excited for).

I'm not going to say MW3 has a ton of new features. I honestly know next to nothing about it, but I plan on buying it since I loved the last two MW games.

My own reasons:

-64 players. Yes, BF2 had 64 players, but the series hasn't had this many for a while, nor have too many other modern shooters
-Vehicles, specifically jets and choppers. I want to fly an A10 Warthog and a Little Bird
-Lots of content. DICE claims years-worth--that's probably an exaggeration--but they plan to support it for a long time. Lots of weapons and accessories for those weapons
-New accessories/feature. EOD bots that can repair vehicles/arm MCOMs, laser target designators, customizable vehicle munitions (different types of tank shells, rockets, etc.), deployable mortars
-Suppression system. It just works.
-Rebalanced class system that already feels like an improvement over BC2
-Destruction. The alpha didn't really show this off, but some of the Gamescom vids have shown how improved it is over BC2 and it really helps make the gameplay dynamic. Craters can be blown in the ground (you can literally dig out trenches/foxholes with C4), buildings destroyed, trees fall, etc. For me personally, it's hard to go back to games without destruction
-New engine (animation and lighting). People like to disregard this, but the engine is fucking gorgeous, smooth, and immersive

And I just like the BF emphasis on teamplay. With a good group of friends, it's an unmatched experience, IMO.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Ah, good point!



My own reasons:

-64 players. Yes, BF2 had 64 players, but the series hasn't had this many for a while, nor have too many other modern shooters
-Vehicles, specifically jets and choppers. I want to fly an A10 Warthog and a Little Bird
-Lots of content. DICE claims years-worth--that's probably an exaggeration--but they plan to support it for a long time. Lots of weapons and accessories for those weapons
-New accessories/feature. EOD bots that can repair vehicles/arm MCOMs, laser target designators, customizable vehicle munitions (different types of tank shells, rockets, etc.), deployable mortars
-Suppression system. It just works.
-Rebalanced class system that already feels like an improvement over BC2
-Destruction. The alpha didn't really show this off, but some of the Gamescom vids have shown how improved it is over BC2 and it really helps make the gameplay dynamic. Craters can be blown in the ground (you can literally dig out trenches/foxholes with C4), buildings destroyed, trees fall, etc. For me personally, it's hard to go back to games without destruction
-New engine (animation and lighting). People like to disregard this, but the engine is fucking gorgeous, smooth, and immersive

And I just like the BF emphasis on teamplay. With a good group of friends, it's an unmatched experience, IMO.

there is just this feeling you get from playing a BF game that you simply can't get from any other FPS. Those "battlefield moments" are simply beautiful things to see unfold and take part in, it's something so grand and immersive that it is honestly endlessly satisfying. And this is the next entry in the mainline series, this is the godfather.

There's nothing else like it in the genre. And this coming from someone who LOVED COD4 and World at War, and also bought MW2 and Black Ops.

 

[Animator]

I don't remember the other Battlefield games being so hyped. What are the new features that has everyone so excited for BF3? Trailers look like any other shooter.

Trailers look like any other shooter?

 

[TacticalFox88]

So...we still at it again? These games really can't be compared. Two entirely different styles of play

 

[SapientWolf]

Trailers look like any other shooter?

You can't throw a rock without hitting an FPS with 64 player vehicular multiplayer.

 

[CatPee]

So...we still at it again? These games really can't be compared. Two entirely different styles of play

But that's the point of this thread.

 

[Anton Sugar]

So...we still at it again? These games really can't be compared. Two entirely different styles of play

We're actually having a pretty civil discussion. Future Zombie wanted to know why people are excited about BF3.

 

[Stallion Free]

-64 players. Yes, BF2 had 64 players, but the series hasn't had this many for a while, nor have too many other modern shooters

Going by the logic in BF threads of recent, BC2 is only a spin off so 64 players never actually left the Battlefield series.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

there is just this feeling you get from playing a BF game that you simply can't get from any other FPS. Those "battlefield moments" are simply beautiful things to see unfold and take part in, it's something so grand and immersive that it is honestly endlessly satisfying. And this is the next entry in the mainline series, this is the godfather.

There's nothing else like it in the genre. And this coming from someone who LOVED COD4 and World at War, and also bought MW2 and Black Ops.

Not even that, but after playing Alpha I have not touched Bad Company 2 at all. Bad Company 2, while an amazing game, feels so superior after playing Alpha.

 

[subversus]

He's not saying it as a put down. I wanted to know why there was so much hype for the game (I assumed there were new features people were excited for).

I'm not going to say MW3 has a ton of new features. I honestly know next to nothing about it, but I plan on buying it since I loved the last two MW games.

It's just strange to me that everyone is going crazy for BF3 without there being an easily defined reason (other than the graphics, which isn't reason enough for this much hype).

You just need to know three things about Battlefield
destructible environments and terrain create a very dynamic gameplay + a lot of tactical opportunitites.
The game is all about classes and teamwork
There is strong emphasis on vehicles

If you are not interested in dynamic, non-scripted sandbox style gameplay with emphasis on teamwork it's ok to continue playing COD.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Going by the logic in BF threads of recent, BC2 is only a spin off so 64 players never actually left the Battlefield series.

Fair enough. Doesn't make me any less excited for it.

Not even that, but after playing Alpha I have not touched Bad Company 2 at all. Bad Company 2, while an amazing game, feels so superior after playing Alpha.

Same. I haven't played in some time, hope I don't stink up the meetup tomorrow night.

 

[belvedere]

I put many, many hours into each series (more in the BF series I would guess) and I don't think you can definitively say one series has more depth than the other.

For me and my close group of consistent MP gaming friends, MW has always been an instant action run and gun game. Hop into a match and have a great time doing it. It's easy, accessible and fun to prestige a few times over. The formula gets stale though. BF seems more spontaneous I guess you could say. No doubt there are epic amazing moments in MW, but because of the map size, vehicles and destruction factor, there seems to be a much larger window for "who knows wtf will happen next" in the BF series. Most recently anyway, BC2.

 

[Izayoi]

Going by the logic in BF threads of recent, BC2 is only a spin off so 64 players never actually left the Battlefield series.

According to DICE the Bad Company games are spinoffs and were merely testing grounds for new technology. It's pretty clear at this point that they were being shockingly candid.

That still doesn't change the fact that it's been nearly half a decade since a game under the Battlefield brand has featured 64 player multiplayer, however.

 

[Fratkabula]

Was co-op announced for BF3?

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Was co-op announced for BF3?

Announced and already shown few days ago.

YouTube "Battlefield Co-op PS3"

 

[Anton Sugar]

Was co-op announced for BF3?

Yes, it was shown on PS3 at Gamescom. 2 players, online only, 6 maps at launch.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

You could argue this point with just about every game in a series, including COD. It's a really shallow argument to make. There's plenty to be excited about.

And? CoD aint reinventing any wheels, either. I agree there is plenty to be excited about. But something truly new or anything? Not really.

 

[vaelic]

Nice knowing you mw series. Don't let the door hit you...

 

[Tawpgun]

Everyone. EVERYONE here knows BF3 will be the better game.

However this is a GAMING forum so most people here are somewhat educated on video games and acknowledge BF3 to be the superior title. But in the outside world there are simply too many casual CoD fans that flock to the new game because CoD is the big thing now that "everyone" plays.

Its going to outsell BF3 hard. But I guarantee you BF3 will get higher scores and more praise.

 

[Rahxephon91]

Everyone. EVERYONE here knows BF3 will be the better game.

That's a pretty stupid statement.

 

[Exuro]

It's going to be interesting if MW3 is releasing server/mod tools instead of exclusively using rental servers.

 

[la flama blanca]

Damn Mik2121, please tell me Activision is at least paying you for this.....

 

[Stallion Free]

That's a pretty stupid statement.

We get about 1 of those a page now.

 

[Tawpgun]

That's a pretty stupid statement.

If the pre-release awards are anything to go buy, it has some backed up truth to it.