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Modern Warfare 3 Versus Battlefield 3 Garbage Thread

Yeah MW2 sucked and was such a huge disappointment after COD 4. I really liked Black Ops, other than Nuketown or whatever it was called and the other really tiny one...firing range I think it was?

But I rarely ever got sniped in Black Ops. It was such a thing of beauty. The overuse of claymores and RC cars was annoying though.
 
Modern Warfare 2 had a great SP, terrible MP component.
Black Ops had a Terrible SP, and an Excellent MP component.

Seriously. Give Black Ops TRUE honest-to-god MAG like dedicated servers, and fix the hit detection to be spot on, it would be Multiplayer Nirvana
 
Red Blaster said:
64-player Caspian Border is a revelation.
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While it is certainly more of a "Battlefield-like" experience than Metro, Caspian Border is still just as much of a glitchy mess. DICE needs to give this one about 4 more months in the oven.

I'm out until this thing gets the inevitable half-dozen patches.
 
TacticalFox88 said:
Modern Warfare 2 had a great SP, terrible MP component.
Black Ops had a Terrible SP, and an Excellent MP component.

Seriously. Give Black Ops TRUE honest-to-god MAG like dedicated servers, and fix the hit detection to be spot on, it would be Multiplayer Nirvana
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Black Ops is the worst COD game ever released.
 
Black Ops is better than the other CODs I've played this gen (everything except COD4).

Best story, best graphics, quick fast, fun, satisfying mp.
 
boredofcanada said:
Activision owe a debt to Epic......
Going from a week straight of Gears3 to this beta was tough. They sealed the coffin, console wise at least.
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I hope if anything, this winter finally drives home how important it is to ship a polished product. Gears of War was given an extra half a year after being deemed a finished product. Resistance had a longer development cycle, too. Rage, depending on what actually was going on in development, may also have benefited.
 
Blops is my favorite too.

The tons of stuff in MP is amazing!
Emblems
Recorder
Zombies
:D

I would say SP also set the new standard with its insane amount of first person animations.
 
Balance=boring. I don't get this whole balance argument in MW2, when you can do pretty well with almost any AR, and, yea, some of these perks are stupid, but you can still counter the bullshit.
 
Full Metal Jacket said:
MW2 does everything better than BO.
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Fucking lol. Black Ops shits on MW2.

No Game Ending Nuke.
No Killstreak stacking.
Balanced guns for the most part (74u and Famas need tweaking though)
Interesting game concepts (One in the Chamber, Gun Game, Sticks and Stones, etc)
If a guy goes in Last stand you still get the kill when he dies, not an assist.
Assist points based on how much damage you do, not 20 no matter what.
Air killstreaks aren't over your head constantly.
Shotguns as Primary.
Scavenger doesn't refill noobtubes
No Danger Close
No stopping power
No One Man Army
No commando
No Glitches that actually break the game like Javelin, and care packages.
 
Full Metal Jacket said:
Balance=boring. I don't get this whole balance argument in MW2, when you can do pretty well with almost any AR, and, yea, some of these perks are stupid, but you can still counter the bullshit.
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No bullshit > counterable bullshit
 
Full Metal Jacket said:
Balance=boring. I don't get this whole balance argument in MW2, when you can do pretty well with almost any AR, and, yea, some of these perks are stupid, but you can still counter the bullshit.
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Please tell all of us how to counter Commando
 
Ok, sure BF3 beta is glitchy. People are inside/under trains, under the ground etc (that never happens in Call of Duty right?. Right Call of Duty fans? You can't get inside a rock in Creek or Overgrown RIGHT NOW, right call of duty fans?

Difference is Dice will fix that. But I agree, there are problems here. Flashlights are like ridiculously overpowered. They really need to rethink that. Should be one of those concepts that while interesting, just doesn't make it to retail if you ask me. These are mini mag lights on assault rifles IRL folks, not super football arena powered lights that can illuminate a crater on the moon. Move on, it doesn't fit.

Some graphics glitching, but the gun play feels good. The unlock system is awesome imo, but accessing it and availing of seems cumbersome. Also, Metro Rush was just the wrong way to go for the beta imo. It's dark, super campy, close quarters hall way shooting the entire map (aside from first detonation points). Basically with the flashlights and stuff it's just ridiculous and doesn't feel like Battlefield. Also, why prohibit your players from remapping their mouse keys? Honest to God, why do that? If PC is your lead platform, why tell PC people they can't change waht the mouse buttons do? That's literally the easiest thing to code.

On the upside, I love the gunplay. I love the graphics. But the chosen map doesn't really do justice to teamwork or anything... It's just .. Hallways of war: revenge of the flashlight's and dude's camped inside/under subway trains.

DICE should have served up one of their best outdoor MP maps, complete with a full compliment of vehicles. Still, I'm far more excited for this than MW3. I'll pick up COD, don't get me wrong, but funnily enough, no matter how bad it is I can't really be disappointed with it. If my fellow soldiers have toy helicopters flying over their shoulders pew pewing enemies, is that really any better than RC cars?

I expect MW3 will be a cheezefest of shlockery and retardo cartoony cram that doesn't do justice to the quasi sensible approach of small arms warfare that COD4 took. I expect it now, since every COD game since MW1 has been exactly that. Sadly, IW is giving the A.D.D masses what they want. Battlefield 3 has a chance to pick up a lot of ground by appealing to players who want their game a little less XTREEEMEEMEME~!~!@! but totally stumbled out of the gates with it's beta choice imo
 
Full Metal Jacket said:
Balance=boring. I don't get this whole balance argument in MW2, when you can do pretty well with almost any AR, and, yea, some of these perks are stupid, but you can still counter the bullshit.
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what's your counter to this?

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I played a shitload of MW2. That never, ever happened. It's a funny .gif, but it was staged.

e: Maybe it was possible with hacked lobbies on console, which no doubt were prevelent, but to say that represents the game as the developers intended is dumb.
 
I found the maps in MW2 so much better then all the maps in black ops, terminal > the whole game

But the game wasn't unplayable, i also never saw the knife lunge thing and i played it a lot when it came out, heh

but the zombie mode in black ops and world at war were the best, i wish MW had it , i hate spec ops :/
 
I found the map design TERRIBLE in MW2. WAYYYYY too much verticality, and also wayyyy too open, as in way too many routes to get to different areas, eliminating ALL strategy. There need to be multiple paths yes, but also focused choke points. You shouldn't be able to be killed from more places than you can humanely cover. It's a cool thing to have, but in moderation. That's where MW2 failed as a whole in terms of game design. They did so much but they didn't do anything in moderation. I'm glad they learned this time around. I'm glad they scaled down the verticality in the maps. I'm glad they scaled down the perks, the use of killstreaks, etc...

Moderation is key. MW2 had NONE of it. BO had a lot of it, which is why a lot regard it as the better game, despite it's technical issues.
 
Full Metal Jacket said:
I'm not trying at all. I made an opinion and I stand by it.
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saying you prefer one over the other is a matter of opinion, saying one does everything better than the other isn't
 
I am AMAZED at all of the people that CLAIM Black Ops is a better game than MW2. Black Ops was a HUGE downgrade. People can whine about so many non-issues when it comes to MW2. The only REAL issues with MW2 was the noob-tube problem (mostly when paired with One Man Army) and the Nuke Killstreak.

MW2 had better maps, weapons, performance/graphics and was just overall WAY MORE FUN than Black Ops.
 
I'll admit that Black Ops is the more balanced multiplayer. I have more fun in MW2 but I can see why people prefer BO. One thing is for certain though:

MW2 - Commando/OMA/Danger Close = one of the best multiplayer games of all time.
 
Another thing, how was Commando even a problem? If they got that close to you, you deserve to get knifed. Or, you know, you could use your secondary. I guess most people don't like switching to a secondary, they are too lazy and want to use their all-purpose AR for everything.

Commando might cause people to become irate when paired with LAG, but then again, getting shot down because of LAG is just as annoying as getting Commando'ed, the ONLY difference is that many people (the casuals) don't notice the LAG when they lose a gun battle because of it (ie. more noticeable when you got knifed through your bullets).
 
I'm off of the BF3 hype train as well. Not back with COD as a result since I'm pretty much done with Activision as a whole, but it will be interesting to see how this plays out. I'd be really surprised if MW3 doesn't slaughter BF3. EA apparently hasn't figured out that it isn't 2004 anymore and you need to do a better job with console versions.
 
Stop acting like you have enough time, by the time you switch to a secondary the dude would have already 10 foot lunged you with commando. It was a shitty perk, they didn't take it out because it was great, I'll tell ya that.
 
I still don't get how some people see these two games as interchangeable.

One is about very quick small scale infantry combat where solid individuals can carry a team to victory.

The other is a strictly class based, team oriented, objective based, combined arms, vehicles, and static defenses on ginormous maps where communication and unit cohesion is key.

They both have modern weaponry yeah, and you can aim down the sights in each, but really, they're incredibly different games. Throwing the two together into a cage match just sounds like marketing penis-envy bullshit.
 
Put me in the camp who really hated MW2. I prefered black ops and bfbc2 because it's less over the top and more balance but recently I've gotten back into playing mw2. I dunno why but I'm having fun with it again. I think the music really helps. Plus I'm starting to take gaming less seriously so I think allt he stupid shit is less bothersome now. I still really hate the retardly unbalanced perks and killstreaks but its just fun running around with the spas and trying to nail someone with throwing knives than running around with shotguns from bfbc2.
MW2's soundtrack is really good. No other game gets me more pumped for mp than it.
 
gioGAF said:
Another thing, how was Commando even a problem? If they got that close to you, you deserve to get knifed. Or, you know, you could use your secondary. I guess most people don't like switching to a secondary, they are too lazy and want to use their all-purpose AR for everything.

It might cause people to become irate when paired with LAG, but then again, getting shot because of LAG is equally annoying as getting Commando'ed, the ONLY difference is many people don't notice the LAG when they lose a gun battle with it (ie. more noticeable when you got knifed through your bullets).
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Probably due to it being pretty much impossible to avoid death once the lunge has started. I can round a corner and lunge someone before they can even get a bullet off.
 
gioGAF said:
Another thing, how was Commando even a problem? If they got that close to you, you deserve to get knifed. Or, you know, you could use your secondary. I guess most people don't like switching to a secondary, they are too lazy and want to use their all-purpose AR for everything.

It might cause people to become irate when paired with LAG, but then again, getting shot because of LAG is equally annoying as getting Commando'ed, the ONLY difference is many people don't notice the LAG when they lose a gun battle with it (ie. more noticeable when you got knifed through your bullets).
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ahuahuahuahuhuah
 
Everyone tries so hard and defends each game respectively so intensely it starts to scare me in this thread. Each game has flaws and each game has their greats. Defending a flaw and putting down a great is just downright dumb.

corkscrewblow said:
Obviously, but there's no way you can tell me this should ever happen in a game
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Looks like lag factored into that. MW2 does have some insane lunges but that dude looked like he was lagging before the lunge.
 
gioGAF said:
I am AMAZED at all of the people that CLAIM Black Ops is a better game than MW2. Black Ops was a HUGE downgrade. People can whine about so many non-issues when it comes to MW2. The only REAL issues with MW2 was the noob-tube problem (mostly when paired with One Man Army) and the Nuke Killstreak.

MW2 had better maps, weapons, performance/graphics and was just overall WAY MORE FUN than Black Ops.
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This is such bullshit it's not even funny. Wow.
 
Stop acting like you have enough time, by the time you switch to a secondary the dude would have already 10 foot lunged you with commando. It was a shitty perk, they didn't take it out because it was great, I'll tell ya that.
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For the record, I never used Commando (mostly only noobs use it, Ninja is roughly 1000x better). Btw, you don't take out your secondary when the Commando is already in your face, it should have been out already. I'm pretty sure they took it out because of whiners, not because it was overpowered.

Personally, I don't care that it gotten taken out, but saying that it was somehow broken is ludicrous.

This is such bullshit it's not even funny. Wow.
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Lol, I'm sure your opinion would enlighten me about the error of my ways. But when all is said and done, MW2 > BlOps
 
gioGAF said:
For the record, I never used Commando (mostly only noobs use it, Ninja is roughly 1000x better). Btw, you don't take out your secondary when the Commando is already in your face, it should have been out already. I'm pretty sure they took it out because of whiners, not because it was overpowered.

Personally, I don't care that it gotten taken out, but saying that it was somehow broken is ludicrous.
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oops youre wrong
 
Some people are just being disingenuous, MW2 had far, far more problems than that

- One man army
- killstreak stacking + overpowered killstreaks =
- Killstreak dominated gameplay, gun on gun was secondary
- Because of the above, objective modes were nothing but camp fests more likely to end with a nuke than anything else
- the "rare" nuke
- akimbo 1887's
- supersoldier build
- magneto aim assist making no scoping a legitimate and effective strategy

And oh yea, the glitches

- Javelin glitch
- Care package marker super speed glitch
- infinite care package glitch
- hidden sentry gun glitch
- minigun riot shield glitch
- last stand glitch
- infinite sentry gun glitch
- infinite emergency airdrop glitch
- Prestige glitch
- ranked private match glitch
- Guns performing like chopper gunners glitch
- Out of map/elevator glitches on nearly every map

Think I covered maybe half of them

There's a lot I prefer with in MW2 such as weapons,maps, unlock system, etc. but the better mp game is blops, hands down no contest.
 
gioGAF said:
For the record, I never used Commando (mostly only noobs use it, Ninja is roughly 1000x better). Btw, you don't take out your secondary when the Commando is already in your face, it should have been out already. I'm pretty sure they took it out because of whiners, not because it was overpowered.

Personally, I don't care that it gotten taken out, but saying that it was somehow broken is ludicrous.
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You are amazing. First of all, Commando Pro was pretty much necessary on a rusher class, especially on maps like Favela, the no fall damage is so much better than the lunge. Secondly, that doesn't make sense, why would you have your secondary out already? That doesn't make sense. And finally, of course they took it out because it was OP. Just like OMA, and Danger Close.


gioGAF said:
It isn't really rocket science:

Open space = primary
Enclosed space = secondary (unless your primary is a good CQC weapon)
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First of all, you're assuming that the player isn't using a single pistol or laucher. What you're saying only really applies to shotguns and machine pistols. And Commando isn't restricted to enclosed areas. They will usually rush around the whole map.
 
It isn't really rocket science:

Open space = primary
Enclosed space = secondary (unless your primary is a good CQC weapon)

Besides, if you didn't hear him coming and you get knifed, you would have gotten shot if he wasn't using Commando. I guess getting shot is okay, but getting knifed is not.
 
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