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Modern Warfare 3 Versus Battlefield 3 Garbage Thread

X26 said:
Some people are just being disingenuous, MW2 had far, far more problems than that

- One man army
- killstreak stacking + overpowered killstreaks =
- Killstreak dominated gameplay, gun on gun was secondary
- Because of the above, objective modes were nothing but camp fests more likely to end with a nuke than anything else
- the "rare" nuke
- akimbo 1887's
- supersoldier build
- magneto aim assist making no scoping a legitimate and effective strategy

And oh yea, the glitches

- Javelin glitch
- Care package marker super speed glitch
- infinite care package glitch
- hidden sentry gun glitch
- minigun riot shield glitch
- last stand glitch
- infinite sentry gun glitch
- infinite emergency airdrop glitch
- Prestige glitch
- ranked private match glitch
- Guns performing like chopper gunners glitch
- Out of map/elevator glitches on nearly every map

Think I covered maybe half of them

There's a lot I prefer with in MW2 such as weapons,maps, unlock system, etc. but the better mp game is blops, hands down no contest.
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quoted for new page, didn't write all that for it to be #50, harumph
 
gioGAF said:
Another thing, how was Commando even a problem? If they got that close to you, you deserve to get knifed. Or, you know, you could use your secondary. I guess most people don't like switching to a secondary, they are too lazy and want to use their all-purpose AR for everything.
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You don't see why getting warp knived from 5+ feet away is a problem?

edit: Great list there X26, sums up pretty much every problem I ever saw or personally had with MW2. Such an abortion of a game.
 
gioGAF said:
It isn't really rocket science:

Open space = primary
Enclosed space = secondary (unless your primary is a good CQC weapon)
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I literally just posted a video of someone flanking a camper with his secondary out and still getting boned by commando, and that was with maybe 30 seconds of looking on youtube. I guess if you lie to yourself enough as you have done, even the craziest bullshit starts looking truthful.
 
This is now the CoD vs CoD thread.

Red Blaster said:
I literally just posted a video of someone flanking a camper with his secondary out and still getting boned by commando, and that was with maybe 30 seconds of looking on youtube. I guess if you lie to yourself enough as you have done, even the craziest bullshit starts looking truthful.
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Here's a video I found in 30 seconds of a really dumb Black Ops knife lunge, which has no Commando perk.

My point is, as long as p2p hosting is the primary hosting on the primary platform, you will see stupid videos like this on Youtube until they remove 1 hit kill knifes in CoD (aka probably never at this point).

e: I know it's recorded in theater mode, but I can personally attest to being killed in a similar fashion multiple times.
 
djm said:
This is now the CoD vs CoD thread.


Here's a video I found in 30 seconds of a really dumb Black Ops knife lunge, which has no Commando perk.

My point is, as long as p2p hosting is the primary hosting on the primary platform, you will see stupid videos like this on Youtube until they remove 1 hit kill knifes in CoD (aka probably never at this point).

e: I know it's recorded in theater mode, but I can personally attest to being killed in a similar fashion multiple times.
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reading the thread is hard

me two pages ago said:
The regular CoD formula was all that everyone expected for MW2 and BO and both those games turned out to be terrible.
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Hoya Destroyer said:
MW2 was so much more fun than BO, and thats the most important thing IMO.
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For me, the highs of MW2 were higher than the highs of blops, and the lows were much, much lower. Blops was a more consistent experience and as such I ended up playing it a lot more than MW2

MW2 = perfect 10 chick who 2 months into the relationship tells you she has AIDS
Blops = average looking chick who despite not willing to take it in the pooper is awesome to be with every day
 
Hoya Destroyer said:
MW2 was so much more fun than BO, and thats the most important thing IMO.
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Yeah, I feel the same way.

I lost interest in Blops fairly quickly. It was mostly due to weird technical problems in the PC version, but I wasn't really a fan of the maps or the guns either.
 
I agree with X26, those problems did exist. To my knowledge, the glitches were corrected over time. For the rest:

- The 1887s were nerfed into uselessness.
- Regarding OMA and Nuke being a problem - AGREED
- Killstreaks were powerful, but they weren't really that hard to shoot down. Sure, they might have been more prominent/powerful than some people would have liked. I didn't have a problem with them, use a Stinger and if the other team is dominating your team so much that the killstreaks are up the whole time, you weren't going to win anyway. I had FUN.
- Objective modes being ruined by Nuke - AGREED
- The magneto scoping I guess is arbitrary. You don't like it, I don't care. Both you and your opponent have it, so whatever.
- Regarding Quickscoping - that was definitely not a problem. Good quickscopers were GOOD players. Bad quickscopers were annoying, but they would have ruined your team's day regardless of what they were using.

What is the "super soldier" build? Maybe I have been doing it wrong all this time.

Just in case people are misunderstanding, I'm not saying MW2 was the greatest game ever, all I'm saying is that it was MUCH better than Black Ops as far as I'm concerned (and I feel there are many others that agree).

tl;dr
I'm not saying MW2 is the greatest games of all time, BUT it is BETTER than BLOPS.
 
X26 said:
For me, the highs of MW2 were higher than the highs of blops, and the lows were much, much lower. Blops was a more consistent experience and as such I ended up playing it a lot more than MW2

MW2 = perfect 10 chick who 2 months into the relationship tells you she has AIDS
Blops = average looking chick who despite not willing to take it in the pooper is awesome to be with every day
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pretty much this
 
X26 said:
For me, the highs of MW2 were higher than the highs of blops, and the lows were much, much lower. Blops was a more consistent experience and as such I ended up playing it a lot more than MW2

MW2 = perfect 10 chick who 2 months into the relationship tells you she has AIDS
Blops = average looking chick who despite not willing to take it in the pooper is awesome to be with every day
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Maybe not AIDS but yeah I'd agree with that. If only MW2 had gotten some proper post-release support.
 
X26 said:
MW2 = perfect 10 chick who 2 months into the relationship tells you she has AIDS
Blops = average looking chick who despite not willing to take it in the pooper is awesome to be with every day
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You need to write game reviews and I need to read them.
 
Red Blaster said:
reading the thread is hard
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Well hey, I'm glad you think CoD4 is the best entry since then, and I sort of agree. But I was merely pointing out the fact ridiculous knife lunge kills aren't exclusive to MW2.

I'd love to see knives taken out of CoD alltogether.
 
djm said:
This is now the CoD vs CoD thread.


Here's a video I found in 30 seconds of a really dumb Black Ops knife lunge, which has no Commando perk.

My point is, as long as p2p hosting is the primary hosting on the primary platform, you will see stupid videos like this on Youtube until they remove 1 hit kill knifes in CoD (aka probably never at this point).

e: I know it's recorded in theater mode, but I can personally attest to being killed in a similar fashion multiple times.
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That's cool and yeah, any time you have an online game and different connection speeds and locations for the players there will be latency generated issues. But that doesn't change the fact that what happened in that Black Ops video is very rare. What happened in the MW2 video happens 10+ times a game, at least. Doesn't even compare.
 
gioGAF said:
I agree with X26, those problems did exist. To my knowledge, the glitches were corrected over time. For the rest:

- The 1887s were nerfed into uselessness.
- Regarding OMA and Nuke being a problem - AGREED
- Killstreaks were powerful, but they weren't really that hard to shoot down. Sure, they might have been more prominent/powerful than some people would have liked. I didn't have a problem with them, use a Stinger and if the other team is dominating your team so much that the killstreaks are up the whole time, you weren't going to win anyway. I had FUN.
- Objective modes being ruined by Nuke - AGREED
- The magneto scoping I guess is arbitrary. You don't like it, I don't care. Both you and your opponent have it, so whatever.
- Regarding Quickscoping - that was definitely not a problem. Good quickscopers were GOOD players. Bad quickscopers were annoying, but they would have ruined your team's day regardless of what they were using.

What is the "super soldier" build? Maybe I have been doing it wrong all this time.

Just in case people are misunderstanding, I'm not saying MW2 was the greatest game ever, all I'm saying is that it was MUCH better than Black Ops as far as I'm concerned (and I feel there are many others that agree).

tl;dr
MW2 is not one of the greatest games of all time, BUT it is BETTER than BLOPS.
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I definitely agree. And, I never had a problem with commando since I always kept a distance and picked people off, or was running around with a silenced UMP, flanking people. A lot of the people who abused the perks, and all the other bullshit were bad players anyway.
 
CoD Battle Bro's. First of all, welcome to Battlefield! Here are some basic DO's and DO NOT's on how to play and conduct yourselves in BF3!

PLEASE DO NOT!
1. Tell me how high/drunk you are
2. Assume my sexual preference, age or race
3. Assume that the sniper rifle is the only rifle in the game
4. Deploy mobile spawnpoints at the base
5. Prone crawl from base to your favorite camping spot
6. Camp as attackers
7. Continue to snipe when your bombsite has been armed
8. Tell everyone how you would own them in CoD Hardcore


PLEASE DO!
1. Try out different kits
2. Drop ammo and health packs
3. Revive
4. Deploy mobile spawnpoints at tactical locations
5. Use chat only to talk strategy
6. Pretend to be interested in completing the objective
7. Spawn on squadmates to provide support
8. Pick kits depending on squad makeup

These small steps will ensure that you have more fun and that others enjoy playing with you more. It'll make for an overall pleasant experience for everyone involved.
 
X26 said:
For me, the highs of MW2 were higher than the highs of blops, and the lows were much, much lower. Blops was a more consistent experience and as such I ended up playing it a lot more than MW2
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Dead on.

RukusProvider said:
5. Use chat only to talk strategy
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I know it means that you'll inevitably deal with some stupid kids and whatnot, but the casual talk over XboxLive is part of the draw for me. Super serious players like you are major buzzkills sometimes.
 
I've spoken scores of times over how much MW2 is better than BLOPS but I rarely bring this up:

The maps, weapons, and perks in MW2 were PERFECT for Search, which just happens to be easily the most awful game mode in BLOPS since most maps offer nothing interesting in terms of choke points. There are so many entry points that they feel like one big square. I made better maps in Doom in the 90s than Treyarch did for BLOPS.

Shotguns as secondary were not only not a problem for me, but they actually made the gunplay interesting indoors and made Search that much better.

Most importantly, nearly every weapon felt like a distinct weapon, and had distinct advantages and disadvantages. I knew I was carrying a Tar, Famas, ACR, UMP, Scar, RPD.

Someone using DC was usually fucked in Search unless they Spawntubed which really needed to be fixed. That's the ONLY thing I preferred in BLOPS.

MW2 Search was the console 2nd coming of Counterstrike, a game I played religiously for 3 years.
 
junkster said:
I've spoken scores of times over how much MW2 is better than BLOPS but I rarely bring this up:

The maps, weapons, and perks in MW2 were PERFECT for Search, which just happens to be easily the most awful game mode in BLOPS since most maps offer nothing interesting in terms of choke points. There are so many entry points that they feel like one big square. I made better maps in Doom in the 90s than Treyarch did for BLOPS.
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Umm all I play is Search and nothing else, and I couldn't possibly disagree more. And I'm pretty sure I'm on the right side of the argument because Infinity Ward seems to agree with me. The maps in MW2 were too open, too many paths, not enough choke points, too much verticality, etc...And like I said, they completely agree and have said they rectified that with MW3.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
Umm all I play is Search and nothing else, and I couldn't possibly disagree more. And I'm pretty sure I'm on the right side of the argument because Infinity Ward seems to agree with me. The maps in MW2 were too open, too many paths, not enough choke points, too much verticality, etc...And like I said, they completely agree and have said they rectified that with MW3.
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BLOPS Search was the shittest round based objective mode I've ever played in a shooter in my life. By stark contrast, MW2 Search was the best, more white knuckle excitement than even Counterstrike, and that's the highest grade I can ever give to a game. OMA with Riot shield and C4 took it way over the top.

An A with 10 pluses. For that mode alone I give MW2's perfectly balanced Search a perfect 100.

I give Treyarchs version a giant F. They took everything that made it good and made it beyond bad.
 
junkster said:
BLOPS Search was the shittest round based objective mode I've ever played in a shooter in my life. By stark contrast, MW2 Search was the best, more white knuckle excitement than even Counterstrike, and that's the highest grade I can ever give to a game. OMA with Riot shield and C4 took it way over the top.

An A with 10 pluses. For that mode alone I give MW2's perfectly balanced Search a perfect 100.

I give Treyarchs version a giant F. They took everything that made it good and made it beyond bad.
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You should write for 1up.

That's not a compliment.
 
TacticalFox88 said:
Modern Warfare 2 had a great SP, terrible MP component.
Black Ops had a Terrible SP, and an Excellent MP component.

Seriously. Give Black Ops TRUE honest-to-god MAG like dedicated servers, and fix the hit detection to be spot on, it would be Multiplayer Nirvana
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You kidding, right? MW2's single player campaign was a joke. Whoever wrote the script for the game needs to get fired ASAP.
 
BLOPS is much more balanced yhan MW2. But the graphics and framerate (especially on PS3) are a significant downgrade compared to MW2. The transperencies are especially awful.
 
After the tremendously disappointing BF3 MP beta graphics, I am no longer so sure that much will change for the COD franchise.

BLOPS was great and I have a sneaking suspicion that MW3 will be at least good. They all have been.
 
DennisK4 said:
BLOPS was great and I have a sneaking suspicion that MW3 will be at least good. They all have been.
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Very true. Great muliplayer games. No multiplayer game will ever satisfy every gamer, but they're good. BLOPS was far better balanced than MW2, but i enjoyed MW2 too. you have to play with the right people.

BLOPS looked like shit though :P
 
junkster said:
I've spoken scores of times over how much MW2 is better than BLOPS but I rarely bring this up:

The maps, weapons, and perks in MW2 were PERFECT for Search, which just happens to be easily the most awful game mode in BLOPS since most maps offer nothing interesting in terms of choke points. There are so many entry points that they feel like one big square. I made better maps in Doom in the 90s than Treyarch did for BLOPS.

Shotguns as secondary were not only not a problem for me, but they actually made the gunplay interesting indoors and made Search that much better.

Most importantly, nearly every weapon felt like a distinct weapon, and had distinct advantages and disadvantages. I knew I was carrying a Tar, Famas, ACR, UMP, Scar, RPD.

Someone using DC was usually fucked in Search unless they Spawntubed which really needed to be fixed. That's the ONLY thing I preferred in BLOPS.

MW2 Search was the console 2nd coming of Counterstrike, a game I played religiously for 3 years.
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lol no

You're looking for CoD4 there. I can't get knifed from 20 feet away in the 2nd coming of CS.
 
corkscrewblow said:
lol no

You're looking for CoD4 there. I can't get knifed from 20 feet away in the 2nd coming of CS.
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Lord help me, Commando on Search was a death warrant. If you got close to me with Commando in Search it was because I was preoccupied with more than 1 opponent or you had the drop on me anyway. Home theatre surround is cheap. Surround headsets are cheaper.

And if I'm riot shielding all you'll hear is a thud.

If you got me mano-a-mano I gave props. Such a disadvantage!
 
I refuse to believe someone who played CS used something so scrubby and shitty as a shield in MW2. Do you have really bad aim or something?
 
COD4>MW2>BLOPS

Is there anyone else than me that thinks both WAW and BLOPS have this weird feeling over themselves. Both COD4 and MW2 feels like breathing fresh arctic air while W@W and BLOPS feels like breathing old air inside a building.
 
im kinda glad peopel are lowering their expectations because of the beta. the amount of hype for bf3 was unequal to the actual quality of the game, so its good that it's been brought back to more sensible levels. i mean a page or two ago i said witcher 2 is a better looking game, which it is, and BF3 defense force jump me and literally start trying to damage my character because they cannot handle that blockbuster game #5 is being critically judged.
 
corkscrewblow said:
I refuse to believe someone who played CS used something so scrubby and shitty as a shield in MW2. Do you have really bad aim or something?
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You refuse to believe what? I'd gone 6-0 in rounds over 100 times. You start with riot to get the rushers, swap to AR and shotgun and clean up the rest. What, you think I'm gonna put my wins, losses, and kdr in the hands of random teammates? Plus it was FUN. Baiting enemies towards you, then having your team flank, setting off C4, absorbing enemy Claymore detonations, planting more safely, switching to attack class.

Nevermind the tension, the hootin, hollerin, cheering, different classes all able to pull out clutch victories, snipers vs ARs vs shotguns vs machine pistols vs RPGs, snipers have a fighting chance and great secondaries against AR meaning awesome showdowns no matter what class. Claymore click going off but no death meaning marathon lightweight is right on your ass, you spin and hope to get a shot before....

MW2 had so much variation and with everything viable, no game comes close.
 
I played Hardcore Search and Destroy religiously on COD4 (don't care about other modes) using my sniper rifle/pistol combo on all maps. But eventually noob tubes fucked that up and everyone kept abusing the shit out of explosives so I quit. World at War was just nowhere near as fun/interesting to me as COD4.

I skipped MW2 and Blops because of the implementation of all the killstreak shit. I thought it was too much. I thought COD4 was really balanced well and that's something I care about. Balance for all classes which includes snipers, not just noob tubers. (I ran around with my rifle and pistol btw I don't stay in one spot sniping)

Anyway here are my questions, between MW2 and Blops, based on my play style, which game did the following:

1. Had better search and destroy maps/layout.
2. Dealt with noob tubes/explosives better and nerfed the shit out of them.
3. Balanced the game for rifles as well and not just machine gunners.

I'm really interested in MW3 but I want to know if they're going to handle that stuff or if it's going to just be an unbalanced mess.
 
Reposting for new page I don't want to be at 50 and nobody ends up reading it -_-

I played Hardcore Search and Destroy religiously on COD4 (don't care about other modes) using my sniper rifle/pistol combo on all maps. But eventually noob tubes fucked that up and everyone kept abusing the shit out of explosives so I quit. World at War was just nowhere near as fun/interesting to me as COD4.

I skipped MW2 and Blops because of the implementation of all the killstreak shit. I thought it was too much. I thought COD4 was really balanced well and that's something I care about. Balance for all classes which includes snipers, not just noob tubers. (I ran around with my rifle and pistol btw I don't stay in one spot sniping)

Anyway here are my questions, between MW2 and Blops, based on my play style, which game did the following:

1. Had better search and destroy maps/layout.
2. Dealt with noob tubes/explosives better and nerfed the shit out of them.
3. Balanced the game for rifles as well and not just machine gunners.

I'm really interested in MW3 but I want to know if they're going to handle that stuff or if it's going to just be an unbalanced mess.
 
BF3 runs like ass on my PS3, sub 30 with tearing. Horrible, sorry but framerate+smoothness is more important than pretty effects. COD still has the edge here.
 
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