Superman Prime...I don't like it. Normally, I scoff at people who complain about Superman being so powerful (usually cause these people tend to also like shit like Gurren Lagaan and DBZ. Plus, I think the idea that Superman being powerful makes telling compelling stories about him impossible is laughable, considering that there are a ton of compelling Superman stories out there), but Superman Prime really bothers me. Maybe because it's a little too on the nose of the whole "Superman = Jesus" thing (which is to be expected, given he was thought up by Grant Morrison, who loves the Superman = Jesus thing). I always liked the idea that while we may look at Superman and think of him as a god, he really is, deep down inside, just a guy. A big boy scout who happens to have all these awesome abilities. It's why Supes has always been one of my favorites. Making him this immortal sun god takes away from what I like about him.
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This thread convinced me to read DC One Million and that was just one huge waste of time.
Superman Prime's reveal was really anti-climatic. He did some bullshit with reviving lois and new krypton and then the plot wrapped up. Not sure where people are getting this god-jesus stuff from.
Superman Prime's reveal was really anti-climatic. He did some bullshit with reviving lois and new krypton and then the plot wrapped up. Not sure where people are getting this god-jesus stuff from.
evil solrac v3.0
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yeah, but they've never really addressed what's going to happen to Superman. he's very powerful but will he die of old age? how long can he live?
evil solrac v3.0
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you just mentioned it, he comes from the inside the sun,everyone worships him because he is THE superman. the first, the prime all other Supermen and super-heroes wouldn't have been around without him. he revives a race of long dead people and revived his wife from a bit of blood, if that's ot some miracle type stuff then I don;t know what is...
He had 83,000 years of prep time for that.
Literally 83,000 years of getting ready for that one moment because of his foreknowledge.
(I would like to remind everyone that, at the end of DC One Million, at least one million innocents died due to the actions of Savage and Solaris but hey, Superman Prime reunited with Lois so everything is alright! Right?)
Literally 83,000 years of getting ready for that one moment because of his foreknowledge.
(I would like to remind everyone that, at the end of DC One Million, at least one million innocents died due to the actions of Savage and Solaris but hey, Superman Prime reunited with Lois so everything is alright! Right?)
(No it's not alright. He's not omnipotent and he's far from the god-jesus he's made out to be.)
evil solrac v3.0
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he'd been around for 83,000 years, all he had to do was smash Solaris and then bask in his own glory. or he figured the other heroes could handle everything. which brings me to the hero I wanted to post that was uber ridiculous.
he has all of Superman's powers times 100
super ESP
he has something to Green lantern's hard light energy
he can make pacifying rain
he has ten extra senses in addition to his five regular
no weakness to kryptonite, red sun radiation or magic and resistant against psionics.
telepathy
electromagnetic manipulation
fifth dimensional imp powers
and more considering he actually gets his powers from Superman gold prime.
his feats of strength include preventing two galaxies from crashing into each other by just using his force vision and creating a shield between them, punched his way back to the year 83,500 and other stuff too numerous to list.
NinjaTehFish
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Your all wrong.
Its Dead-Pool,
Not only does he kill the entire Marvel Universe, he breaks the 4th wall kills the writers of the comic and implies he will in fact kill the reader eventually too.
Its Dead-Pool,
Not only does he kill the entire Marvel Universe, he breaks the 4th wall kills the writers of the comic and implies he will in fact kill the reader eventually too.
Ignatz Mouse
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The Editor-in-chief is the one who created him.
Ignatz Mouse
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Gladiator was originally an homage to Superboy and/or Mon-El. The Shiar Imperial Guard were one-for-one references to the Legion of Super-Heroes.
The confidence bit was added by John Byrne as his pet theory was that Superman's powers had to be psionic at least in part to make sense, and thus he'd be vulnerable to a lack of confidence or belief.
The more you know...
The confidence bit was added by John Byrne as his pet theory was that Superman's powers had to be psionic at least in part to make sense, and thus he'd be vulnerable to a lack of confidence or belief.
The more you know...
Manmademan
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Nope. Phoenix's best feat is altering a timeline. Wanda's best feat is house of M and "no more mutants"- both of which were flawed feats, as the house of M reality eventually broke down, and there were certainly still mutants left, some of which managed to repower themselves through various means. neither one is really on the level of shaper of worlds, which is a severely powered down cube being that alters reality on a planetary level (it wiped out 2/3rds of the andromeda galaxy at it's peak), or franklin richards who was willing entire universes into being as a child...and was only potentially celestial level at that point.
Hell, you could even argue James Jaspers is more powerful. The earth-238 Jaspers warped his reality so badly the universe of earth-238 had to be annihilated completely to stop his influence...and the "mainstream" 616 version of jaspers was so strong that even that wouldn't have worked.
There are no on panel feats by wanda or any incarnation of the phoenix that come close to this. none. Find one and I'll freely ban myself for a month.
i'm not here to comment on whether the heirarchy is lame or not- only the fact that it exists. Celestials are subservient to the abstract powers, and outclass cube beings, omega mutants, and "gods" by several orders of magnitude. The powers of "gods" or omega mutants are meaningless at that level- They created the mutant, eternal, and deviant species in the first place, after all.
all you're doing is proving my point. the higher powers cannot be injured or affected by conventional weaponry. The combined power of all earth's godly pantheons concentrated into the destroyer could not hurt a celestial, and the destroyer was obliterated by a fraction of the 4th host. The phoenix is a powerful entity, but only one of many that rank lower than most abstract powers. Compare for instance what the phoenix is capable of to what Abraxas or the Chaos King were able to do- and remember that the Chaos King was only one aspect of Oblivion, and Abraxas is contained by the power of Galactus.
The watcher never mentioned the "one above all", since that entity didn't exist at that point. (the non celestial TOAA is a fairly recent invention by editorial) Hell, even implying it's on the level of the tribunal, or the infinity gauntlet is LOLworthy. All he mentioned was the power of a god- and there are MANY of those. A mistake you may be making is that you assume the term "god" means something analogous to the Christian God that's supreme over all others- Marvel doesn't have one of those (DC does though, with the Presence that is clearly an analogue of the christian God) only many different powers that are supreme within their own areas, and the Tribunal to render final judgement. The tribunal serves a higher power, but that entity's motivations and origins are left deliberately ambiguous. We DO know that whatever it is isn't responsible for creating the multiverse as it exists, since the Infinity Being/Nemesis is the only one to make that claim. (and that's the reason why the infinity gems don't work outside of the marvel universe). Whatever TOAA is, it's function is not "god" as DC's presence is, and no one refers to it as such.
Thor is a god. Odin is a God. Cyttorak is a god. But there are three very distinct power levels between the them, and all are far, far weaker than the higher powers. According to Merlin, Jaspers had the power of a god as well- but was still nowhere close to Abstract level as he was eventually killed.
Boss Doggie
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On a related note I hate TTGL's power source being a huge deus-ex-machina.
I mean at least Getter Rays have that "it turns people insane" effect on them.
Hell, even Shoutmon X7 Superior Mode (xrossing with every Digimon in existence) isn't as broken and stupid like TTGL.
I mean at least Getter Rays have that "it turns people insane" effect on them.
Hell, even Shoutmon X7 Superior Mode (xrossing with every Digimon in existence) isn't as broken and stupid like TTGL.
TacticalFox88
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TTGL had mechs that were literally half the size of the universe. I think the power source was pretty much the last thing the author thought of when he got *that* ridiculous.
AlimNassor
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Demonbane had mechs that were millions of times larger then the Universe.
gutter_trash
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Beyounder
Dance Inferno
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I'm not really the biggest comic book guy but my vote would go to The Plutonian from Irredeemable.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I know what TTGL is (don't remind me, it's a terrible memory), but I still consider the whole thing really pretty stupid in concept due to its reliance on "we can do absurd things if we believe"... and then pull the stupid "hahahaha SPIRAL POWER" thing.
Deus Ex Machina
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Grant Morison hates writers who paint Superman as a Jesus figure. That's why he didn't like Superman Returns.
I don't we can be friends anymore.
(quietly backs away)
Yeah TTGL is definitely up there in terms of brokeness. Its fucking enormous.
I think TTGL was supposed to be a giant robot satire, the endless escalation ending part especially. It probably deserves a little credit for actually ending in a way that doesn't just leave a bunch of gods at the end to live happily ever after, though.
As I understand it, the very top end DC Hierarchy goes something like:
The Presence - Great Evil Beast
Lucifer Morningstar - Michael Demiurgos
The Source
Any DC fanboys on-hand to correct / expand?
As I recall, TTGL did have some reality warping abilities (particularly relating to manipulating probability of events), but your point is still well taken.
... Though I think the point of the whole Spiral Power thing was that it would have reality warping powers if it actually needed them to win. Yes?
cj_iwakura
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Lain is the emergent consciousness of the wired; a network of all living things.
so Lain wins all power battles by virtue of being her opponents power level +1
I approve of this.
And Demi-Fiend. Man has an army of demons at his disposal, and has punched God in the face. Repeatedly.
Manmademan
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I don't recall Demi-Fiend actually fighting God during SMT:Nocturne. Everyone else up to michael, gabriel, and even the metatron, but not God itself.
cj_iwakura
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Kagutsuchi is God of the multiverse. It is basically the Vortex World's incarnation of Yahweh.
Manmademan
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The true demon ending seems to imply that the christian God and Kagutsuchi are two completely different things. Even within the game, multiple kagutsuchis are shown rising, maturing, and falling with the cycle of creation.
Even with Kagutsuchi "dead", the Demi-Fiend leads an assault on heaven (and presumably God) with lucifer/the demon army.
true- he can be beaten, but legitimately doing so without bad writing takes either a godlike entity, or bad writing.
cj_iwakura
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I saw Kagutsuchi as being an incarnation of Yahweh, so in defeating him, Hitoshura didn't defeat God, but he dang sure bloodied his nose.
Parallax
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that's the do the impossible part that people keep quoting. If reality bending were truly possible, they would have been able to revive their friends at the end instead of accepting their deaths.
You saying Hunter Zolomon is bad writing?
Manmademan
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nope. Zolomon has legitimately godlike power. Time manipulation to that extent is ridiculously OP.
Kagutsuchi was a tool of creation. it came into being with the creation of the vortex world- it is NOT the same (or even an incarnation of) "The Great Will", who was furious with the demi fiend and cursed him (according to lucifer) when he killed it.
The battle that takes place off screen after the close of the TDE is with God, or the Great Will. we never see how that turns out. Demi Fiend is monstrously powerful, but we'll never know whether or not he was the creator's equal.
Manmademan
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Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
So, because they didn't revive their friends, they can't bend reality, even though they were doing it in just about every fight they had in space? How does that work?
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
Define what you call reality warping?
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
It's not really up for me to define. I'm going by what was written in the series itself. They were breaking space-time with the whole, anti-probability equations and other nonsense they were using when they were fighting the anti-spirals.
Were they reviving people? No. They were breaking dimensions, tossing galaxies, etc... all thanks to Simon's near infinite Spiral energy and the +1 nonsense.
Edit: As for why they didn't revive their comrades. Simple. The writer didn't want them to.
edit edit: At the end, I'm pretty certain that it was implied that Simon could revive anyone he chooses to, but decided against it.
Parallax
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The galaxies they were tossing were made by the anti spiral. The whole unverse they were contained in was created by the anti spiral. That's not
reality warping. I'm pretty sure if it was possible, simon wouldn't let the love of his life and the only family he's ever known to just fade away.
No, they broke out of that one. By the time they were tossing galaxies at each other they were in the real universe and the people of Earth could (somehow) see them.
Unlike some other people I could mention, Simon understood and accepted loss.
I mean, they all went through that thing where they chose reality over paradise.
It's not through powers, but didn't the series address the whole idea of bringing people back to life and how they shouldn't do it for some reason or another because of the thing with Lord Genome?
Of course the second half kind of sucks outside of an episode or two anyway so I don't remember it nearly as well as the awesome first half.
He did, at the end, choose to let go, probably because bringing them back would in a sense mean creating a new status quo and becoming the power he had been fighting the whole time.
Really? Cause it's always felt like the opposite to me.
I'll give you everything else, but this. The Watcher doesn't JUST say a God. He says that Jean's powers are second only to "The Creator". The Watcher, who is aware of The-One-Above-All, having once said "His only weapon is love!" would likely mean this One when he said The Creator. I agree, if it was JUST a God, then yes, she couldn't be any bigger than Thor, but he says that she's second only to "The Creator" as well, which is significant given The Watcher's knowledge.
Deified Data
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Simply put, nigh-omnipotence. You want the world one way and your powers make it so.
Boss Doggie
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Yeah I hate that show.
Eh, people never make up their mind. Satire, no homage! No, it's deconstruction!
Oh god I want to kill fanboys.
Manmademan
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yeah, I checked the scans on that one to be sure- he does say "the creator" on that one- which is odd, given that no one else seems to know anything about that entity.
I'll let it go though. that level of nitpicking over word choices etc is too nerdy even for me. It's just comics, afterall.
HanktheAwesome
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I don't know how that image will turn out here since I don't usually post here, but the answers is and shall always be the Flash.
How do you beat something that can move at the speed of light, and then can also vibrate through solid material.
He can hit you as many times as he wants, and you can't hit him. Ever.
Hopefully that image worked, because that explains it better.
Edit: Didn't work, oh well.
Also he can go back in time. So.
How do you beat something that can move at the speed of light, and then can also vibrate through solid material.
He can hit you as many times as he wants, and you can't hit him. Ever.
Hopefully that image worked, because that explains it better.
Edit: Didn't work, oh well.
Also he can go back in time. So.
Keru_Shiri
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It couldn't be a mix of the three?
yeah, I checked the scans on that one to be sure- he does say "the creator" on that one- which is odd, given that no one else seems to know anything about that entity.
I'll let it go though. that level of nitpicking over word choices etc is too nerdy even for me. It's just comics, afterall.
Fair enough. I just wanted it to be known that my mislead understanding of the Phoenix's power was based on something, and that I wasn't totally crazy.
That said, the Phoenix, while not THE most broken or powerful, is still enough that she could wreck universes and worlds, yo.
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