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[SharpMonkey]

For example, I have HDMI on my televison in my living room, whereas the smaller LCD in my bedroom has component inputs. Whenever I want to move my PS3 from my living room to my bedroom, I have to hook up the PS3 via component to my living room TV while still keeping the HDMI connected, go into the display settings, switch it from HDMI to component, then quickly change the input on my televison to component so the console recognizes it and switches disply settings. Then I have to unhook the component cable and set it up in my bedroom...kind of a pain. And the reverse, when I want to switch it from my bedroom to my living room is even more of a pain.

try this instead: move the console, hook up only the cable (av or hdmi) that you plan to use. Turn on the PS3 by covering the on/off sensor and KEEP THE SENSOR COVERED until you hear a second 'beep'. When you power up using this method, the ps3 will auto-switch to the available video output and ask you if you want to switch to that style of connection. I use this when moving my ps3 between a component and an hdmi hookup and its a great time saver.

 

[Master Z]

The biggest problem about the PS3 is that you can't have any kind of critical discussion about any aspect of it without the defense force rallying and whining about it.

The same could be said for any of the console defense forces.

 

[Borys]

:lol @ what kids these days whine at.

You would fucking flip over during the Speccy times.

 

[|ync]

I have a different most annoying PS3 feature that nobody talks about: The fact that you have to tell it what AV inputs to recognize, and you can only have one at a time.

For example, I have HDMI on my televison in my living room, whereas the smaller LCD in my bedroom has component inputs. Whenever I want to move my PS3 from my living room to my bedroom, I have to hook up the PS3 via component to my living room TV while still keeping the HDMI connected, go into the display settings, switch it from HDMI to component, then quickly change the input on my televison to component so the console recognizes it and switches disply settings. Then I have to unhook the component cable and set it up in my bedroom...kind of a pain. And the reverse, when I want to switch it from my bedroom to my living room is even more of a pain.

Not the end of the world or anything, but it is a big pet peeve of mine. Anyone else run into this annoyance?

You should just have to do a video reset: turn the system off, move it, connect the new cabels, hold your finger over the power button until it beeps three times (or something, takes about 5 seconds), now the video settings are back to default it should display on whatever you've got hooked up. Search for PS3 video reset for more details.

 

[Tr4nce]

7 minutes installing and only at 40% ??


This is a joke post, right?

 

[Blablurn]

Why the hell do you have to install everything! I've been installing the Uncharted demo for 7 minutes and still only 40% finished.

cry me a river!

 

[sprocket]

On one hand personally I like OPTION of being able to install games for better loading. But these mandatory installs are annoying. If Uncharted and Oblivion can work very well without it so should everything else.


As for updating its never been a problem for me.

 

[Raist]

no one talks about

Why the hell do you have to install everything!

:lol

fail

 

[inner-G]

No way of organizing games/music/pictures.

With a game/music/picture selected hit triangle and go to 'information'.

Enter a folder name for the item under 'location', and it will create a folder. To put multiple items in one folder, simply put the same folder name under 'location' for each item.

 

[Valkyr Junkie]

The people confusing what the OP is talking about with forced game installs make me lawl

 

[Beatbox]

Correct me if I'm wrong here but do we still not have the ability to play a non-online enabled game and have background downloading still active? I may have missed this update but background downloading is essentially useless if all I can do while it is going on is stare at the XMB....which is a souless, drab UI...but that is my opinion not really an "annoying feature".

Yes you are wrong.

 

[Cathcart]

That's a pretty big annoyance when it's completely uncalled for. If I don't have to deal with it on 360 and Wii, why PS3?

You do have to deal with it on those systems, they just don't tell you about it. Do you really believe the 360 downloads the uncompressed version of the Burnout demo and just copies files to the hard drive? No, it downloads the compressed version and then does the install for you. So on the PS3 you have to hit another button. I agree that it's not really necessary, but you can't pretend that the install time is "extra" time that doesn't happen on the 360, it's just two button presses instead of one with probably about the same amount of total time.

 

[cRIPticon]

You do have to deal with it on those systems, they just don't tell you about it. Do you really believe the 360 downloads the uncompressed version of the Burnout demo and just copies files to the hard drive? No, it downloads the compressed version and then does the install for you. So on the PS3 you have to hit another button. I agree that it's not really necessary, but you can't pretend that the install time is "extra" time that doesn't happen on the 360, it's just two button presses instead of one with probably about the same amount of total time.

Correct!

 

[pCeSlAyEr]

All games for the 360 are dual layer DVDs. The drive can only read those discs at a maximum speed of 8X, not 12X.

I do believe this is only true while reading from the second layer.


The fact remains that when any game is multi platform, the 360 users will be able to pop in the disc and be instantly immersed in the action/story and PS3 users will have to wait 10 - 20 minutes installing just for acceptable load times... to me thats nonsense.

and people complain about swapping discs which take less than a minute to do... man..

Mind you I do not have a PS3 yet(saving up to get one soon). I am a bit put off with this... I understand its a trade off for the disc capacity, but in the end that sucks... period.

Consoles are not meant to be PC's.

 

[Choke on the Magic]

Correct me if I'm wrong here but do we still not have the ability to play a non-online enabled game and have background downloading still active? I may have missed this update but background downloading is essentially useless if all I can do while it is going on is stare at the XMB....which is a souless, drab UI...but that is my opinion not really an "annoying feature".

Yes you are wrong.

Very, very wrong.

 

[Ranger X]

Sometimes I pop over to check something on another console or the TV, and then never get around to going back. What usually happens then is I forget, my controller runs out of juice, and I have to shut it down from the switch. Not a big deal, but neither is putting in an auto-off setting.

Didn't see that. And yeah of course the option wouldn't be all that hard to make.

 

[Beatbox]

The fact remains that when any game is multi platform, the 360 users will be able to pop in the disc and be instantly immersed in the action/story and PS3 users will have to wait 10 - 20 minutes installing just for acceptable load times... to me thats nonsense.

It's nonsense that you think every multiplatform game has a 10-20 minute install.

 

[BoilersFan23]

I don't understand, if your 360 is connected to a network all the time, when you turn it off it should automatically download even though it's "off" with the autodownload option, have you tried turning that on. Once the software is downloaded the machine turns itself off.

Actually, my 360 doesn't. If anything (like I said), my download percentage goes off.

You shouldn't ever have to delete the incomplete downloads, the 360 will resume those downloads without problems.

Well, sometimes I do change my mind and decide not to bother downloading a demo (partially because the internet connection at my apartment at times can get as low as 56K level on download speed at certain times of the day. But when I do, there's still some file left on my 360 and I have to manually delete it.

The fact remains that when any game is multi platform, the 360 users will be able to pop in the disc and be instantly immersed in the action/story and PS3 users will have to wait 10 - 20 minutes installing just for acceptable load times... to me thats nonsense.

Let me say that very few PS3 games even have that when you first play. Games don't have to install to have acceptable loading times, because Uncharted has no install and has no loading during the game (there's only the initial load at the beginning).

 

[Struct09]

It bugs me when my PS3 goes from XMB -> Game. I'm using HDMI, and it seems the PS3 resets the resolution or re-handshakes HDCP, because my TV does some flickering. It could be partly my TV's fault (Samsung DLP), but the 360 doesn't do that.

Minor annoyance I know, but this seemed the appropriate thread to bitch about it in.

 

[InterMoniker]

Blarrrrhhh Blaaarrr Blaaaaghhhh complain. Meeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

[Amon37]

I was blue dragon on sunday and I had to

Spoiler

Change to disc 3

Ludicrous i say!!!

 

[besada]

:lol @ what kids these days whine at.

You would fucking flip over during the Speccy times.

I live through the Speccy times, and earlier. I demand progress!

 

[pCeSlAyEr]

It's nonsense that you think every multiplatform game has a 10-20 minute install.

I'm sure there are quite a few that are well under the 10 minute mark. whatever... still nonsense.

 

[BoilersFan23]

It bugs me when my PS3 goes from XMB -> Game. I'm using HDMI, and it seems the PS3 resets the resolution or re-handshakes HDCP, because my TV does some flickering. It could be partly my TV's fault (Samsung DLP), but the 360 doesn't do that.

Minor annoyance I know, but this seemed the appropriate thread to bitch about it in.

I think it's your TV. Not that your TV is bad or anything, because with my old HDTV, the handshake via HDMI would flicker a little (It was a no name brand TV though). My new TV (which is Toshiba) has zero flicker when the HDMI is handshaking with my PS3. I seriously thought it was my PS3, until I got a new TV.

I'm sure there are quite a few that are well under the 10 minute mark. whatever... still nonsense.

Next to no multi-platform games even have an install on PS3. I have not played Oblivion and I heard it does (not sure when it installs), DMC4, and VF5 does (but it's optional).

Most games that have an install, have it as an option on the main menu or under the option menu. I never use the install, but without it, the games I play really don't load all that slow (but then again, I do have a 20GB HDD with its smaller cache).

 

[sprocket]

It bugs me when my PS3 goes from XMB -> Game. I'm using HDMI, and it seems the PS3 resets the resolution or re-handshakes HDCP, because my TV does some flickering. It could be partly my TV's fault (Samsung DLP), but the 360 doesn't do that.

Minor annoyance I know, but this seemed the appropriate thread to bitch about it in.

You probably have more the one resolution checked?

it doesn't do it if the XMB and the game is the same resolution.
I have everything set to 720p so It never does that for me.

The 360 only does one resolution at a time. it never switches so it never does it. you are either in 1080 , 720 or 480. you cant switch between them unless you turn everything to the new resolution.

its early here I might not be explaining clearly.

 

[CapoAheaz]

Minor annoyance I know, but this seemed the appropriate thread to bitch about it in.

:lol :lol

i wish the controller would turn off when idle for long time. also i wish my ps3 could do every little feature the 360 has. maybe jaffe was right.

 

[belvedere]

I thought this only occurred when a file is downloaded in the background? It doesn't happen if it's the only item being downloaded. Or is that wrong?

 

[BoilersFan23]

You probably have more the one resolution checked?

it doesn't do it if the XMB and the game is the same resolution.
I have everything set to 720p so It never does that for me.

The 360 only does one resolution at a time. it never switches so it never does it. you are either in 1080 , 720 or 480. you cant switch between them unless you turn everything to the new resolution.

its early here I might not be explaining clearly.

With my old TV, even when the XMB resolution was the same as the game, it would flicker. Maybe not as much, but still would. Regardless of what the resolution is on my new TV, it will not flicker when switching.

I thought this only occurred when a file is downloaded in the background? It doesn't happen if it's the only item being downloaded. Or is that wrong?

Since I owned a PS3 early on (before background downloading), a game would download (only had the option to cancel) and once the demo/game was done downloading, it would automatically install (but you could not cancel the install).

 

[Struct09]

You probably have more the one resolution checked?

it doesn't do it if the XMB and the game is the same resolution.
I have everything set to 720p so It never does that for me.

The 360 only does one resolution at a time. it never switches so it never does it. you are either in 1080 , 720 or 480. you cant switch between them unless you turn everything to the new resolution.

its early here I might not be explaining clearly.

I have everything set to 720p only. The XMB runs at 720p, as do my games.

 

[Madman]

Wait you have to install every game and demo on the PS3? ........ :\

No. Demos/downloadables download then have an install process. Some games install or cache. Like a computer.

 

[Dragon]

I thought this only occurred when a file is downloaded in the background? It doesn't happen if it's the only item being downloaded. Or is that wrong?

No you're right. It automatically installs if you don't background download the item.

 

[cgcg]

Why do I need to dig out my USB cabel?

Now I know you are full of shit and just parroting what you've read and don't actually own the system. You don't need the cable anymore for firmware updates genius.

I always wonder if it's possible for beermonkey to top his stupidity in the next thread and he never fails to disappoint.

 

[p3tran]

:lol @ what kids these days whine at.

You would fucking flip over during the Speccy times.

borys spectrum 48k was in the 80's dude. you still live there?

 

[Kinan]

I have everything set to 720p only. The XMB runs at 720p, as do my games.

It is doing HDCP check every time you start a BD movie or game. Just some TVs are better/faster in handling it than others.

I'm really curious how x360 doing installs, really. I cant imaging you are downloading stuff there uncompressed, so decompression procedure must happen somewhere. On fly during downloading? Probably not due to processor load. Whole HDD is compressed with same algorithm, so you just download and "place" your package on HDD and it is uncompressed with some ultra fast hardware algorithm when you run it?

Gotta look it up.

 

[neorej]

I do believe this is only true while reading from the second layer.


The fact remains that when any game is multi platform, the 360 users will be able to pop in the disc and be instantly immersed in the action/story and PS3 users will have to wait 10 - 20 minutes installing just for acceptable load times... to me thats nonsense.

and people complain about swapping discs which take less than a minute to do... man..

Mind you I do not have a PS3 yet(saving up to get one soon). I am a bit put off with this... I understand its a trade off for the disc capacity, but in the end that sucks... period.

Consoles are not meant to be PC's.

Swapping discs and loading times take you right out of the game experience and flow of the game. To me, that's more annoying than popping the game in, have it install while I fix a drink, check the latest news on my PC, and then go and play the game.

Mind you, not ALL games have to be installed. Uncharted, Tiger Woods 07 are just two that pop into my head. Also, installation can be optional, IIRC some games give you the option to do so when you pop in the disc the first time.
About the time needed to install, I can't really comment on that, because like I said, I just let it run, and when I'm done on my PC it's usually ready.

If you don't like your console to have PC-like functionality, go back to N64. Every console since PlayStation 1 has had PC-like functionality, be it audio playback, video playback, downloadable demo's, harddisk drives or USB-ports.

 

[sprocket]

It is doing HDCP check every time you start a BD movie or game. Just some TVs are better/faster in handling it than others.

I'm really curious how x360 doing installs, really. I cant imaging you are downloading stuff there uncompressed, so decompression procedure must happen somewhere. On fly during downloading? Probably not due to processor load. Whole HDD is compressed with same algorithm, so you just download and "place" your package on HDD and it is uncompressed with some ultra fast hardware algorithm when you run it?

Gotta look it up.

MS has had a nice WEB INSTALL for a long time. Its the same thing as on the pc.

 

[skybaby]

You know, back when Microsoft announced the xbox, everyone was affraid the new era of patches and installing software on consoles was starting. Well now, everyone does patches and the PS3 is the only one that installs stuff! :lol

 

[belvedere]

No you're right. It automatically installs if you don't background download the item.

So what's the big deal?

:lol

 

[Kinan]

MS has had a nice WEB INSTALL for a long time. Its the same thing as on the pc.

Uhm? Even with windows updates you still have downloading packages/installing packages steps.

 

[Choke on the Magic]

I thought this only occurred when a file is downloaded in the background? It doesn't happen if it's the only item being downloaded. Or is that wrong?

No that's right. Background downloads are the only things you have to hit an extra button for to install. Not a big deal. Kids that bitch about this are the same one's that will bitch the next week about the Ps3 not putting the disc away for them when they eject it from the xmb.:lol

 

[Z_Y]

HAY GUYS! DO I NEED TO DIG OUT MY USB CABLE?


ATTACK! :lol



I just do it on instict, I guess. My other points still stand.

How about updating your console and setting it in a way it would solve your problem? It's been a freaking long time you don't need to plug the controller to update. About the slow downloads, while it might be because of 345 reasons when you're wireless, mine is wired and i NEVER get those slow downloads and updates.

Mine is wired...same as my 360.

All it would take for him to fix this:

Having your PS3 have a static IP Address.

Putting this private IP Address into your router as DMZ.

But complaining about it is much more fun.

Have DMZ enabled on my router for my consoles. Don't have the static IP thing going though. Are you sure that will speed up d/l speeds?

 

[pCeSlAyEr]

Swapping discs and loading times take you right out of the game experience and flow of the game. To me, that's more annoying than popping the game in, have it install while I fix a drink, check the latest news on my PC, and then go and play the game.

Mind you, not ALL games have to be installed. Uncharted, Tiger Woods 07 are just two that pop into my head. Also, installation can be optional, IIRC some games give you the option to do so when you pop in the disc the first time.
About the time needed to install, I can't really comment on that, because like I said, I just let it run, and when I'm done on my PC it's usually ready.

If you don't like your console to have PC-like functionality, go back to N64. Every console since PlayStation 1 has had PC-like functionality, be it audio playback, video playback, downloadable demo's, harddisk drives or USB-ports.

I get what you are saying, but none of those things took away from the console experience they only improved it.

Installation of a game or a demo or even disc swapping prohibit or remove you from the game experience.

 

[decon]

STFU NOW. Jesus fucking Christ this "I hate install" should get people banned. Every freaking week we hear about this crap and NOBODY CARES!

 

[Z_Y]

Yes you are wrong.

So I can pop in VF5 and any ongoing downloads will continue? If so, hot shit!

Now I know you are full of shit and just parroting what you've read and don't actually own the system. You don't need the cable anymore for firmware updates genius.

I always wonder if it's possible for beermonkey to top his stupidity in the next thread and he never fails to disappoint.

:lol

You want me to send you a picture? Dipshit.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

No, the annoying feature of the PS3 is that the install leaves a large footprint.

I would be fine if the install was 1 gigabyte, but a 3-4 gig install.....hell no.

 

[belvedere]

SHUT THE FUCK NOW. Jesus fucking Christ this "I hate install" should get people banned. Every freaking week we hear about this crap and NOBODY CARES!

Plus it's wrong.

This thread has served one good purpose though. All of the people who claim console neutrality (despite showing a blatant bias towards specific platforms) either don't spend any time with their PS3, or don't own one at all.

:lol

 

[cgcg]

My other points still stand.

:lol Actually no. All your other points are BS. You would know they are not true if you actually own the system. You are full of shit. Simple as that.

 

[Baron Doggystyle von Woof]

then waht is the difference between a high end pc and a ps3?

Consoles are awesome because u dont need to install anything and play right ahead.

 

[iapetus]

There's an awful lot of stupid in this thread.

 

[cgcg]

Eh Xbox caches games as well. That's pretty much the same as installs. I mean you are bascially moving files over to the hard drive. PS3 just able to afford bigger moves that's all.