Togglesworlh
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Are you... are you serious, here? The kind of guy who's going to break into someone's house and threaten them with a knife shouldn't be raising a fucking kid in the first place. Fuck him.
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Mother (18) kills intruder breaking into her home while on phone with 911
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Yes, fuck him and everyone in his family tree. If he does have kids, they'd also possess the evil criminal gene, so they're worthless scumbags too. Kill them all! Forget the feelings of anyone but the gun toting mother and her kid. There can be nobody else suffering here. It's impossible!
Exactly.
And if this fuckwit wouldn't have decided to break into this house, he'd still be alive.
Are people forgetting that there are consequences to your actions.
I was laughing in agreement. Calm down.
I'm not disagreeing with you here, but after watching the interview she seems pretty humble and, I believe, wished none of it ever happened.
Even if she were gunhoe about the whole thing it would still be a minor point beside the fact that two men tried very hard to harm both her and her baby. The criminal's own actions killed him. I won't lose any sleep and his own family will have to come to terms with what he tried to do and how he died.
Your continued harping on this point is reaching the point of disgusting.
J Tourettes
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Burglar got what was coming to him.
The Faceless Master
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well, some people may be ashamed that they protected their family... and others may feel proud.
i mean, the dude's body was slumped over a chair she barricaded the bedroom door with, what the fuck man?
The Faceless Master
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let's say this guy had a family... well, guess what? they're suffering because their father was a scumbag crook that preys on 3 month old babies.
Strange, I'm from Belgium and it makes me feel good too...
Battersea Power Station
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Am I allowed to be exctatic that the girl and her baby are not injured while also feeling bad that she had to kill someone? Or do I have to jerk off to the corpse with everyone else?
Since people in this thread like to deal in hypotheticals, put yourself in this situation.
The women and child in this case is your wife and child, and this was your house (I'm aware her husband died of cancer).
As a parent, your first instinct is to protect your child. I have a one yr old, if my wife was put in the exact situation this lady was in, I'd hope she reacts the exact same way (and my wife is the type of person who cries if she kills an animal with our car).
Also, the fact that the prison system is the mess that it is, has nothing to do with his thread.
The fact remains that the guy who was killed got himself killed due to his actions. He doesn't break into her house, she doesn't shoot him. It's that cut and dry.
There's no way to defend the criminals in this case. They made a choice to break into this lady's house with the intent to harm her (otherwise why bring the knives). At that point, all bets are off. It's an us vs them scenario. Both the lives of her and her child are at stake.
I do agree that the posing with the gun for the media is stupid. I grew up around guns and was taught how to use and respect them. You dont point a gun at something unless you intend to shoot it.
The women and child in this case is your wife and child, and this was your house (I'm aware her husband died of cancer).
As a parent, your first instinct is to protect your child. I have a one yr old, if my wife was put in the exact situation this lady was in, I'd hope she reacts the exact same way (and my wife is the type of person who cries if she kills an animal with our car).
Also, the fact that the prison system is the mess that it is, has nothing to do with his thread.
The fact remains that the guy who was killed got himself killed due to his actions. He doesn't break into her house, she doesn't shoot him. It's that cut and dry.
There's no way to defend the criminals in this case. They made a choice to break into this lady's house with the intent to harm her (otherwise why bring the knives). At that point, all bets are off. It's an us vs them scenario. Both the lives of her and her child are at stake.
I do agree that the posing with the gun for the media is stupid. I grew up around guns and was taught how to use and respect them. You dont point a gun at something unless you intend to shoot it.
You may feel bad for her having to kill someone, not for the someone who died.
egoextrico
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You're a weak person who doesn't truly value anything. I feel sorry for you, I suppose.
Harry_Tequila
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I worry about the mental state of people celebrating the death of another person...
That about somes it up, if I had a kid, maybe I'd feel different.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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I'm more concerned for those criticizing her.
Why? Who the fuck cares about a violent criminal...oh wait that's right you do. I don't. Not a fucking ounce of sympathy for that bastard. I love it when violent criminals die violently.
egoextrico
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You would I think. I have two kids. I would tear through two robbers with my fingernails if I had to.
Do 'burglars' count as 'people' now?
This political correctness has gone mad. Where will it end? Men marrying burglars?
Ahh the humanity.
There's a difference between celebrating the death of another human and self defense.
The fact remains that he would still be alive if he doesn't break into this house with the intent to harm another person. He didnt enter the house to borrow a cup of sugar, he and his buddy were intending to physically harm her.
Is it sad that a loss of life occurred, yes. However, it easily could have been prevented, had the guys not broke into the house.
egoextrico
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It is classic Good vs Evil. Good won this time. Feels good man. Ideally she never would've had to deal with this in the first place, and I don't think anyone who is happy with the outcome would actually wish the situation upon her.
Aww
I must be some crazy bastard to think that this poor man, simply wanting to put an end to the young lady's and her child's life, could ever possibly be worthy of death. What sort of human being am I if I cannot empathize with a potential murderer? Not much of one I suppose. We should all invite violent criminals to come live with us so they can feel the love of their fellow human beings. And if this does not rehabilitate them, then just be grateful they have chosen you to shank to death as you sleep.Well in my case I actually do celebrate the death of this "human". In fact, I celebrate it just a little extra because I know it bothers these crazy people living in their fantasy land.
No, it isn't sad. That rings hollow every time I see and hear it repeated. I couldn't muster up an ounce of sadness for that piece of shit if you dangled a million bucks in front of me. Fuck him and good riddance.
I don't think you understand or properly read what you just quoted. There is a difference between 'justice', 'rightfulness' and 'celebration'.
He had it coming, obviously, but the tone toward it is somewhat mental.
Because you're ignorant, is why. No on is saying let's love the man and bake him cookies and dance at his funeral, but life is life regardless.
He wasn't born an ass hole, he became on, and therein lies to fact that life itself is sacred regardless of the path the person took through whatever influences along the way.
I think the most sensible and realistic course action is for everyone to pretend it was Hitler and the guy who was planning on kidnapping Speilberg (for purposes of nefarious ravishment) who were breaking into the mothers house, and swap the mother for your own mother.
How do we all feel when that scenario is played out ? Is it still not ok for her to defend herself and her child, which is you.
How do we all feel when that scenario is played out ? Is it still not ok for her to defend herself and her child, which is you.
Who's celebrating? Most people are glad that an innocent life was not lost. Some people don't care about the life of someone who would willingly harm another. Some people are sad that she had to resort to killing someone to protect herself.
Flippant comments aside I don't think there are many people celebrating he was dead. The news report, and the girl herself, are a long way from sensationalist.
Harry_Tequila
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Unknown One
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Some of the posters here watch too much movies. What the woman did was right, a lot of us would defend our lives if we had an intruder in the house by killing if needed.
Would saying freeze guarantee stopping the burglar? Will that stop him from dashing across the room and stabbing her? I don't know, but when her life and the baby's life is at risk what she done is right. The man broke through her barricade to get to her after all and he was known to be stalking her.
If he fled after a warning he would most likely try it again and the mother and child will be on constant alert.
If she gave them a warning, whats to stop them from hiding in the house and waiting for her to move to them before they pounce on her?
Would saying freeze guarantee stopping the burglar? Will that stop him from dashing across the room and stabbing her? I don't know, but when her life and the baby's life is at risk what she done is right. The man broke through her barricade to get to her after all and he was known to be stalking her.
If he fled after a warning he would most likely try it again and the mother and child will be on constant alert.
If she gave them a warning, whats to stop them from hiding in the house and waiting for her to move to them before they pounce on her?
Anyone saying she is the wrong is retarded, but equally retarded are those wanting to give her a fucking trophy for killing someone. There are boundaries.
You really don't get this, do you?
If she didn't pose on TV with the gun, then that means she must feel ashamed about what she did. That appears to be your argument. Fucking nonsense, lol.
Yes, this is stating the obvious, but it has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.The Faceless Master said:
I was happy when Kim Jong Ill died.
Many people were happy when Hitler died.
I'm happy this fucker is dead. I do not value a life simply because it is a life. The value comes from one's actions. I hate violent crime with a passion, those who perpetuate criminal violence should die as they would have others die.
Life is life regardless? Life is sacred? More worthless platitudes. Is there some "trite bullshit generator" website I don't know about? Where are you getting these awesome nuggets of wisdom?
I don't give a fuck about his path. I don't give a fuck about his hardships. For every piece of shit who's sociopathic behavior you want to minimize due to "bad circumstances", I can produce 1,000 people who had worse circumstances yet who never resorted to breaking and entering with knives attacking women and infants.
So no, I am not ignorant. I am fully cognizant of the type of worthless "human" we are talking about, and I don't give a shit that he is dead. It isn't sad and it isn't a pity. On the contrary it's a good thing he's dead so that he won't be a drain on the system.
I'm happy that the woman and her baby weren't harmed, but it doesn't mean that I have to be happy that someone died. This isn't a story with a happy ending. It's a story with the second most favourable ending, with the most favourable being that he was arrested and sent to prison.
Then you don't properly understand human beings or how they develop.
What if this guy was raped and abused since infancy daily by foster parents. What then? You do not understand the cause and effect of a person and how they are who they are?
You think they have criminal, violent and evil genes? Because this is basically what you're saying when you say you passionately hate these people as if you are personally their arch nemesis.
Unknown One
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I'm not in support for giving her a trophy for killing somebody, more as a trophy in defending her life and her baby's. She is very level headed and knew the situation and what risks she would have to take to defend herself and her baby.
I bet the people who says she's in the wrong would do the same in her situation, if not they would most likely be killed.
My mother was abused severely her entire childhood. She never turned to violent crime. The moment she decides to pick up a knife or gun to hurt an innocent person, then she deserves a bullet in the head. I do not give a fuck about what may have happened in your childhood, turn to violent crime and act on your violent impulses, and you've lost any humanity in my eyes and you need to be put down like a dog.
Edit: Disagree, it had a happy ending. If the police arrived and arrested him, it would have been better, since his death could have potentially traumatized the young lady.
Count Dookkake
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One of my favorite exchanges in film, from MANHUNTER.
Jack Crawford: You feel sorry for him.
Will Graham: This started from an abused kid, a battered infant... My heart bleeds for him, as a child. Someone took a kid and manufactured a monster. At the same time, as an adult, he's irredeemable. He butchers whole families to pursue trivial fantasies. As an adult, someone should blow the sick fuck out of his socks. Does that sound like a contradiction to you, Jack? Does this kind of thinking make you uncomfortable?
egoextrico
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Life is not sacred. I squash bugs and eat steak. Morality and law are what we construct so that we aren't fighting fucking wars every day in the streets, clan vs clan. We value our own lives and that of those we love and all the decent human beings who don't cause us harm but enrich our lives through the great peace and trade. We don't value those human beings who cause us harm. He is a conscious being. He chose to harm other people for his own desires. He dun goofed, got capped. The world is a little better for it. Don't want to get shot? DON'T FUCK WITH OTHER PEOPLE. We like justice, we dislike injustice. It is all pretty natural, and we all have emotional reactions relative to our decided values. Nothing wrong with knowing shitbag knife wielding woman threatening home invaders are better off dead, and being a little happier for it.
Can I borrow your crystal ball so I can get the lotto numbers for this coming weekend?
Obviously, there has never been a case where a violent criminal reforms and does something productive. They all have to die. No second chances, no matter what!
I would definitely agree with this.
You're fucking ridiculous bro. It's not a one to one switch, you have no clue how complicated our internal biology is. I can't argue with someone so ignorant, sorry.
Once again, ignorance prevails. It is not a question of morality. Again it's like speaking to a hill billy or something so I don't even know where to begin in communicating with someone like you.
Sorry, i'm out.
Well that's good news. You criminal sympathizer.
Now you're just trolling, :lol
i really hope this was just trolling
Of course people are responsible for the actions, that was not the basis of my point, nor was the hypothetical (which was just that; hypothetical). My point was the 'joy' or 'satisfaction' of his death is odd.
Whether the world is a better place or not due to him existing or not is meaningless when you take into account why he was who he was. The biggest douche bag in the world has origins. We are what we eat, basically. Some fun research on these points are epigenetics (along with perhaps the works of James Gilligan since it's relevant here), always some good reads to be found there.
Anyway, sorry to offend you two, i'll just archive this thread, throw it on a USB, put in a time capsule and let are ancestors judge a thousand years from now.
FrontalMonk
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I heard this story on the radio this morning, and lo and behold, there's a GAF defense force. 
What I'd like to note is that the guy who died didn't just rob the house. She was holed up in her bedroom, with the door barricaded. If he came in to rob the place, and saw there was a barred door, that's basically a sign that says "here is the person that owns this home." you could rob the entire place without putting her in danger, and you'd be a scumbag, but you'd be alive.
This dude sees that the door is hard to open, breaks the door down, sees a woman with two guns, and comes at her with a knife. Her life, and that of her child, are in danger. BLAM. He put their lives in danger, she killed him. The end.
Is he survived by a family? Dunno. Would they care? Yeah. Should we, the public, be sympathizing with the burglar? I don't think so. I don't really get all the discussion going on about abused childhoods or whatever. Are you guys asking if it's always justified to shoot and kill criminals if they are an immediate and present danger to your life? In America, yes. That's how it works. It's not vigilantism, it's self defense.
What I'd like to note is that the guy who died didn't just rob the house. She was holed up in her bedroom, with the door barricaded. If he came in to rob the place, and saw there was a barred door, that's basically a sign that says "here is the person that owns this home." you could rob the entire place without putting her in danger, and you'd be a scumbag, but you'd be alive.
This dude sees that the door is hard to open, breaks the door down, sees a woman with two guns, and comes at her with a knife. Her life, and that of her child, are in danger. BLAM. He put their lives in danger, she killed him. The end.
Is he survived by a family? Dunno. Would they care? Yeah. Should we, the public, be sympathizing with the burglar? I don't think so. I don't really get all the discussion going on about abused childhoods or whatever. Are you guys asking if it's always justified to shoot and kill criminals if they are an immediate and present danger to your life? In America, yes. That's how it works. It's not vigilantism, it's self defense.
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