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Movie Genres That Died Out Over Time
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Which explains the proliferation of CGI sequels. Why draw characters from scratch when you can use the same models over and over?
However, since the newest Captain Underpants film was made with really low budget, it is said that it'll start a new trend.
lightskintwin
Banned
Also Fracture, but that came out in 2007 : o, so it barely makes the cutoff.
I would love a revival of pirate films outside of POTC. Like, do a solo Blackbeard, Captain Kidd or Anne Bonny/Mary Read/John Rackham movie. No supernatural elements at all, but writers can have free reign since many of their exploits are only written down or unknown and we don't know how much is true.
Jest Chillin
Member
ITT People mostly forget about what's actually been released.
Dr. Horrible's Sing Along Blog already came out.
No. People just don't recognize the genre's for what they are, or they feel like certain movies don't count because it doesn't fit their perception of the genre.
TMNT films. Martial Art films in general fill the same niche.
Disney puts out musicals on a regular basis.
Black Mass and Lawless
Not a genre. If they were to fit a genre it would be something to along the lines of just Gen X comedies. Those just turned into what we consider Indie comedies.
They didn't die out. Most of them just ended before fulfilling the full series. Like Seventh Son. Later this year we have the first entry of King's The Dark Tower, which is still Epic Fantasy even if it's not High Fantasy.
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Most the genre's listed haven't died out. They just changed with the times. Something like High Fidelity done more recently would be 500 Days of Summer. Time travel is done all the time. Looper, Primer, Safety Not Guaranteed, Source Code, Edge of Tomorrow, Project Almenac, etc... Noir would be the Sin City movies and Brick.
Then you also have the migration away from movies and into TV, where pretty much every major genre listed in the thread has been done both in modern incarnations and classic ones. So I'd say that's probably the biggest reason why we don't see certain things, like Westerns, releasing in the same amounts. 70 years ago something like Longmire would've been a movie or 3. Now it's a TV show. That's all.
Dr. Horrible's Sing Along Blog already came out.
No. People just don't recognize the genre's for what they are, or they feel like certain movies don't count because it doesn't fit their perception of the genre.
TMNT films. Martial Art films in general fill the same niche.
Disney puts out musicals on a regular basis.
Black Mass and Lawless
Not a genre. If they were to fit a genre it would be something to along the lines of just Gen X comedies. Those just turned into what we consider Indie comedies.
They didn't die out. Most of them just ended before fulfilling the full series. Like Seventh Son. Later this year we have the first entry of King's The Dark Tower, which is still Epic Fantasy even if it's not High Fantasy.
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Most the genre's listed haven't died out. They just changed with the times. Something like High Fidelity done more recently would be 500 Days of Summer. Time travel is done all the time. Looper, Primer, Safety Not Guaranteed, Source Code, Edge of Tomorrow, Project Almenac, etc... Noir would be the Sin City movies and Brick.
Then you also have the migration away from movies and into TV, where pretty much every major genre listed in the thread has been done both in modern incarnations and classic ones. So I'd say that's probably the biggest reason why we don't see certain things, like Westerns, releasing in the same amounts. 70 years ago something like Longmire would've been a movie or 3. Now it's a TV show. That's all.
I would dispute that, TMNT and general martial arts films are really nothing like the 80s ninja movies. Do you think Enter the Ninja is really doing the same things as TMNT or the The Raid? They dont scratch the same itches at all.
That being said id put them in the kind of catagory as 70s exploitation and 80s action heroes. Of their time and really cant be done again without either bastardising them or being too self aware.
You can point to examples of almost anything but one or two movies are year dosn't mean there overall genre is going well. I can point to the nice guys as a quality adult buddy cop film but im shit out of luck if i want to watch another any timesoon.
The ones i think about/miss are the ones my uncles used to watch magnum force taking of pelham 123 and death wish, stuff like that kind of "adult action thriller" if you will.
You need to see Edge of Seventeen!
That's a really, really good question.
I feel like live-action kids movies aren't much of a thing anymore. Comic-book movies aside.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
Yes and no, roughly the first 60% of the film is based in the characters hometown and in his army training. The final 40% certainly fits the bill.
Also: Go and watch the movie, it's fucking awesome.
Valkerionseven
Member
The whole cheesy teens/college kids trying to get some movies from the mid 80s~early 90s dissipated. They slightly came back with American pie but that was about it. Stuff like revenge of the nerds, porkys and what not. I remember watching them with my brother on like... Saturday or whatever day it was, staying up watching them. They were all terrible.
Same with Slasher flicks. replaced a single supernatural, but maybe not, killing machine with torture porn ect. I miss horny teens getting murdered in silly ways even if I don't like the genre in particular, the basic premise/way they are made now is different.
I remember one that was like... teens in a shopping mall but the mall had a new security system that would hunt them down, and all they wanted to do was spend the night in the mall on a dare, and you know get laid. Funny part was the machine killing them looked like a generic industrial carpet cleaner. Was not exactly high budget.
Same with Slasher flicks. replaced a single supernatural, but maybe not, killing machine with torture porn ect. I miss horny teens getting murdered in silly ways even if I don't like the genre in particular, the basic premise/way they are made now is different.
I remember one that was like... teens in a shopping mall but the mall had a new security system that would hunt them down, and all they wanted to do was spend the night in the mall on a dare, and you know get laid. Funny part was the machine killing them looked like a generic industrial carpet cleaner. Was not exactly high budget.
Discotheque
Banned
There's at least a few westerns every year I've noticed. Even women directors have been throwing their hats in too lately telling female centric western stories.
Fancyarcher
Member
Automatic R from the MPAA, weak.
Chopping Mall, it's a classic. "It's not you, Ferdy. I'm just not used to be chased around a mall in the middle of the night by killer robots."
Chuckie
Member
While not a movie, Black Sails was awesome. So that is hours and hours of pirates.
I think movies like Gone Girl, El Secreto De Sus Ojos, The Invitation, Mientras Duermes, Grand Piano, El Cuerpo, Before I Go To Sleep, La Piel Que Habito and The Best Offer fit into the 'mystery/suspense thriller' genre which Hitchcock mastered.
Discotheque
Banned
Best pirate related media tbh. I say this as a fan of Verbinski too.
Chuckie
Member
It was awesome. And I kind of hated the first season. I am glad I soldiered on though.
Jest Chillin
Member
I think you need to be honest about what the vast majority of those Ninja films were. A Western attempt at Martial Arts films using white actors because Ninja's = Martial Arts in Western minds at the time.
And again, the difference between the frequency of films of any genre is due to the massive shift from Films to higher quality TV series. This is seen across all genres. You can't even point to something like, "But Comic films are everywhere!" because the vast majority of them are all from one company and cross pollinate to such an extent that they're all pretty much sequels.
If we're going to talk about genre's being dead, I definitely don't think it's fair to make that claim about genre's that are being made every year, regardless of frequency.
Have you seen Ninja (2009) and Ninja: Shadow Of A Tear (2013)? You might enjoy those!
HyperZone<3
Member
'White Guys Playing Asian People Whilst Solving Mysteries, Racistly'
The Charlie Chan series of movies was very racist, even by the standards of their time. And it was prolific, notching well over thirty entries in their plus twenty year run. But one very long running series of movies doesn't make a genre, the competitor series that sprang in its wake would. Mr. Moto and Mr. Wong (the exceptionally non-Asiatic Peter Lorre and Boris friggin Karloff) had their own spin on the syntax-challenged (talks like Yoda they do) brilliant detective who is nowhere near convincing as a member of the race they claim to represent.
'Aquatic Musicals'
Classic Hollywood made so many musicals they had to find some way to keep things fresh. "Hey, how's about we try making a dance number, but instead those people are swimming all fancy like." Likely said some MGM exec in the midst of a morphine induced haze. The Scarlett Johanson scene in last year's Hail, Caesar! was essentially a barely satiric recreation of what was a relatively mundane occurrence in the 40's and 50's. Olympic-level swimmer Esther Williams was the undisputed queen of this very specific genre. Audiences at the time also appreciated the best-they-could-get-at-the-time views of scantily clad female forms, so they had that going for em'.
The Charlie Chan series of movies was very racist, even by the standards of their time. And it was prolific, notching well over thirty entries in their plus twenty year run. But one very long running series of movies doesn't make a genre, the competitor series that sprang in its wake would. Mr. Moto and Mr. Wong (the exceptionally non-Asiatic Peter Lorre and Boris friggin Karloff) had their own spin on the syntax-challenged (talks like Yoda they do) brilliant detective who is nowhere near convincing as a member of the race they claim to represent.
'Aquatic Musicals'
Classic Hollywood made so many musicals they had to find some way to keep things fresh. "Hey, how's about we try making a dance number, but instead those people are swimming all fancy like." Likely said some MGM exec in the midst of a morphine induced haze. The Scarlett Johanson scene in last year's Hail, Caesar! was essentially a barely satiric recreation of what was a relatively mundane occurrence in the 40's and 50's. Olympic-level swimmer Esther Williams was the undisputed queen of this very specific genre. Audiences at the time also appreciated the best-they-could-get-at-the-time views of scantily clad female forms, so they had that going for em'.
Valkerionseven
Member
Holy shit I never knew what it was called, that was it. GG gaf.
Elijah Modnar
Banned
Do the ppl claiming 2D is outdated / out of style ever watch movies not made in the USA.
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Even stop motion still sees some usage, with My Life as a Courgette, Kubo and the Two Strings, Anomalisa, Shaun the Sheep Movie, ...
Even stop motion still sees some usage, with My Life as a Courgette, Kubo and the Two Strings, Anomalisa, Shaun the Sheep Movie, ...
I dont think ninjas equalled martial arts in the west, we had already had the kung fu explosion before then. I think ninja movies specifically come from japanese culture being so hot in the 80's.
I also think that with funding and the access amatures or semi professionals can get to decent equipment its likey that there are entries into every genre every year that dosn't mean those genres are thriving. Or even really alive.
So I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
What about some great Adventure movies?
We only had The Lost City of Z in the past few years. Maybe you could add Pirates of the Caribbean, but that is not like an awesome Indiana Jones movie...
I adore some full and great adventures with some history and treasures to find, so I watch every movie I can find with some tiny bits in it.
Hell, even the new Transformers movie had something like that in it's screen time
I really want a whole movie like that again!
Sure where was also National Treasure, but nothing after these two movies :-((
We only had The Lost City of Z in the past few years. Maybe you could add Pirates of the Caribbean, but that is not like an awesome Indiana Jones movie...
I adore some full and great adventures with some history and treasures to find, so I watch every movie I can find with some tiny bits in it.
Hell, even the new Transformers movie had something like that in it's screen time
I really want a whole movie like that again!
Sure where was also National Treasure, but nothing after these two movies :-((
Does The Way Back count?
Another one?
Forsaken82
Member
Hateful 8 and Django Unchained?
lightskintwin
Banned
I totally get what you mean, and yeah - straight up pencil-to-paper movies are very rare these days. But, I would argue that 3D animation has "matured" and incorporated a lot of wisdom from hand drawn animation. 2D kinda lives on through the pre-production process as well.
Also seeing a lot of blend between hand drawn and 2D, see Moana, Charlie Brown, Paperman, Feast, etc.
Also "hand drawn" is alive and well in the TV animation industry, for example lots of Steven Universe is hand drawn, and many shows are drawn in-house before being sent off to outsourcing for final production quality. And still lots of quality hand drawn stuff from France, Japan, indies, and student films.
Check out The Red Turtle if you haven't: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw7BggqBpTk
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Sing Street.
Jest Chillin
Member
Ninjas absolutely filled the Martial Arts genre for the West. That's why the entire "Ninja Movie" thing was in the West and the movies were full of, to be frank, bullshit. The Martial Arts explosion having happened doesn't change the fact that Ninja's were just a new dressing for those films to Western studios.
And nobody is talking about amatuers or semi-professionals (whatever that means). We're talking about movies that are being released. Adding a ton of caveats for no reason other than "Well I don't think that counts" is silly and counter-productive to discussion.
That's some great movie, sure!
I was more talking about some adventure movie in the spirit of Indiana Jones or the Goonies.
About some ancient secrets or treasures. The Dan Brown movies are too bad for my taste and doesn't really count, because they have too much science going on.
But also something like Lawrence of Arabia would also be awesome!
SlipperyFishes
Banned
The reason those were so common in decades past was due to the proximity of the actual West time-wise. There wasn't as much popularised historical content for them to mine that wasn't in the public mindset then.
We are kinda done with the Wild West in 2017.
Widdle Puppy
Banned
Those Hong Kong style action movies seem to not be in anymore. Remember When Jackie Chan and Jet Li would put out their yearly blockbuster? I guess the genre kinda got absorbed into American action films like Fast n Furious.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
People realized MMA style fighting shits on Hong Kong style movie martial arts.
Da fuck?
MightyHedgehog
Member
The giallo.
ThLunarian
Member
Stranger Things was very successful, and Stephen King's It is coming out next month or so.
That genre is poised for a resurgence IMO
Edit: I was thinking more along the lines of hybrid coming-of-age/adventure movies. That might not be what you're talking about.
However, The Dark Tower is coming out next month and I think that might qualify
Martinski43
Member
Really dumb comedies like Airplane!, Hot shots, dumb and dumber, Top Secret and so on. Why do all comedies these days have to be "raunchy" sex comedies... :/
...where