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MovieBob - Ghostbusters - Why get so angry?
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I love people who got to constantly reiterate their opinion over and over like for this. They've got to make it clear that everyone knows they don't like it. Not just once but several times. 'I hate it , did you remember to put the sticker on my hand yet? No? Ok I hate how this looks. By the way , noteveryoneissexistsodon'tgeneralizeus But Damn, I MUST LET IT BE KNOWN I THINK THIS LOOK TERRIBLE. Damned if *I*'m ever going to let this go.
Gotta get their opinion out there, that's what James did, he did it with a big video cause he's a 'big' fan. What did he think was going to happen planting the flag onto the already shaky landscape? He wanted attention with the video in the first place, or else he wouldn't have made it. Yeah he's getting shit for it from some outlets. You guys are acting like he's being threatened like some people actually have been for other things.
Gotta get their opinion out there, that's what James did, he did it with a big video cause he's a 'big' fan. What did he think was going to happen planting the flag onto the already shaky landscape? He wanted attention with the video in the first place, or else he wouldn't have made it. Yeah he's getting shit for it from some outlets. You guys are acting like he's being threatened like some people actually have been for other things.
heliosRAzi
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Psst, I was joking with you.
SolidSnakex
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He runs a movie review Youtube channel and isn't going to be reviewing a big upcoming movie that's part a franchise that people know he's a big fan of. So people would be asking where's the review if he just didn't do it. What's the problem with him posting a short videos explaining why he's not going to watch it? And it's not like he was even angry in the video. He was calm throughout the entire thing. It's the people that have been upset about the video that's been raging over it.
I guess you took an over the top example to hammer your point home. But you went a little bit too far.
It looks stupid. Couldn't you have chosen a working example instead of "imagine accusing people of being rapists or murderers for having opinions".
I'd really like to like this film. I think remaking something so high-profile and replacing the male leads with females could aid the progression of equality in Hollywood. The humour and general tone of the film just doesn't look promising to me, Bridesmaids is great but this looks like they're aiming for the lowest-brow possible with a lot of the scenes.
Ghostbusters is beloved. The first film has a lot of great talent involved, it's well written, played with gusto by the cast, and it's genuinely both funny and charming and creepy.
From the trailers so far this looks like the cast is having a blast, but it doesn't have the same overall quality. Like it knows its a Ghostbusters film and it's playing up to that and just ramping it up to 11, instead of trying to be something of its own.
I understand the backlash, and while I know for sure a good deal of it will be thinly veiled or overt sexism, there's definitely valid reason for movie fans to be upset.
Of course, I could be wrong. The latest trailer looked a lot better, and trailers have been wrong both ways plenty of times, but I think I can extrapolate enough from the scenes I've seen to make a fair assumption. I'll hold my final judgement though, of course.
Yeah man, you're a barrel.
But then this is a very good post.
Ghostbusters is beloved. The first film has a lot of great talent involved, it's well written, played with gusto by the cast, and it's genuinely both funny and charming and creepy.
From the trailers so far this looks like the cast is having a blast, but it doesn't have the same overall quality. Like it knows its a Ghostbusters film and it's playing up to that and just ramping it up to 11, instead of trying to be something of its own.
I understand the backlash, and while I know for sure a good deal of it will be thinly veiled or overt sexism, there's definitely valid reason for movie fans to be upset.
Of course, I could be wrong. The latest trailer looked a lot better, and trailers have been wrong both ways plenty of times, but I think I can extrapolate enough from the scenes I've seen to make a fair assumption. I'll hold my final judgement though, of course.
Yeah man, you're a barrel.
But then this is a very good post.
You can be sexist for having an sexist opinion. You can't be a rapist for having an opinion, no matter the opinion.
We both said sexism is at play. We both attacked noone for being sexist.
He's not wrong.
I don't care for the new Ghostbusters, I grew up with the old movie and loved it, that doesn't mean however I think that the remake shouldn't be made under any circumstance. No matter what happens, I'll still have the old Ghostbusters movie, so I'm fine with this new one, I don't think its for me, but I don't care its being made.
I'm not a gigantic "Ghostbusters fan", for me the entire franchise was the first movie, the second one was meh, never watched the cartoons, never collected the toys as a kid. So maybe I shouldn't talk but like my love for Transformers, while I do think the Micheal Bay movies sucks and their design is awful, they exist on the side and doesn't hinder me from enjoying the Transformers I grew up with.
I don't care for the new Ghostbusters, I grew up with the old movie and loved it, that doesn't mean however I think that the remake shouldn't be made under any circumstance. No matter what happens, I'll still have the old Ghostbusters movie, so I'm fine with this new one, I don't think its for me, but I don't care its being made.
I'm not a gigantic "Ghostbusters fan", for me the entire franchise was the first movie, the second one was meh, never watched the cartoons, never collected the toys as a kid. So maybe I shouldn't talk but like my love for Transformers, while I do think the Micheal Bay movies sucks and their design is awful, they exist on the side and doesn't hinder me from enjoying the Transformers I grew up with.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
Someone else put it a lot better but essentially my point boils down to do you love the movie specifically or the franchise generally? If you're old enough (like me) to have been around for the movie's original mega-hyped build-up and launch I can see why you'd have a special, personal, attachment to the original movie.
But if you're just into Ghostbusters as it became a cartoon, lunch-box, action figure, mediocre sequel etc., why fixate on the movie so hard? Its not like any of the other things I mention are above criticism.
I'm not saying you can't be into something if you weren't around for its inception/creation, just that if what you love is made up of multiple derivative works of variable quality and faithfulness to the original, you can't treat the original as some untouchable holy-of-holies.
SonicMegaDrive
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G-Fex, you spend way too much time worrying about internet fan bases, dude. You gotta stop worrying about what other people are doing and just enjoy the shit you like.
forgeforsaken
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(One of the pair who created The Venture Bros.)
James is not a creator of the Venture Bros. He's a voice actor on the show. The creators are Doc Hammer and Christopher McCulloch aka Jackson Publick.
Right. I always get Jackson Publick and James Urbaniak confused. (Both have J names followed by civic sounding names.)
Anyway, he's the voice of Doctor Venture.
Ghostbusters is my favorite movie of all time. I love a lot of the other stuff in the franchise but even if none of that existed besides the first movie it would still be my favorite movie of all time. I first watched it on laserdisk with my Dad as a little kid and it captured my imagination like no other film had. The idea of people building tech to catch ghosts and provide paranormal extermination was amazing, and when I grew up I wanted to be a Ghostbuster, not a policeman or firefighter. As I got older I came to realize how funny and well made the film was and it never once stopped being my favorite movie of all time. I obviously saw the sequel when I was younger but never saw much of the cartoon until I was older, even though I had a lot of toys based on the cartoon.
I do like the other stuff but I do feel like the the first Ghostbusters is one of the best films ever made and it's my personal favorite. It has a few minor flaws but those are completely over shadowed by everthing they did right. Just because I wasn't alive when it came out doesn't mean that I can't have a special attachment to it, it just means any special attachment I have to it is different then what your attacment might be and honestly it's pretty insulting to think I can't have a special attachment to the first Ghostbusters film.
Honestly I didn't mind the fact that Ghostbusters was getting a remake. I'm not anti remake like a lot of people are, if a remake is good quality and does a bit of it's own thing while still respecting the original I'm all for it. I was cautiously optimistic when this was announced. The problem is all the footage we've seen of this remake makes it look like a bad parody of Ghostbusters with a completely different style of humor. It sets of alarm bells similar to how the first American Godzilla film changed nearly everything I loved about Godzilla for the worse. Of course the movie isn't out yet and it may be better then what we're seeing in the trailers but if what they've shown is the best they got it isn't a good sign for the movie. I'll absolutely watch it (just probably not in the theater since I almost never go to the theater) and I really do hope I'm wrong about this movie and it's a high quality film in the spirit of Ghostbusters that leads to sequels.
Messofanego
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I haven't seen either. I feel uncultured.
you are!
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
Feeling attachment isn't the issue, its more the using the attachment to rage against someone daring to have a different take on the material, which I stress I'm not accusing you of personally.
I'm also not trying to say I'm a bigger fan than you because I saw it first, that would be plain silly.
All I've been trying to get across is that getting angry that this remake diverges from, and/or may be inferior to, the original movie is weird to me when its not like the material has gone completely untouched these past 32 years.
My own perspective is only relevant insofar as I'm someone who has zero attachment to the franchise outside of the original movie, and therefore has a reason to have a specific "Ghostbusters" in mind when the topic comes up. That's all I meant really.
He's totally right about how bad remakes are just forgotten shortly after release. The only example I can think of an over-designed CGI shit-fest actually replacing the public image of a franchise I like is Transformers. Who even cares these days that a CGI version of Yogi Bear exists?
Point is, if this movie really sucks, it'll fade into obscurity with the original Ghostbusters still being the definitive one. And if it's good, we get a good new ghostbusters movie.
Point is, if this movie really sucks, it'll fade into obscurity with the original Ghostbusters still being the definitive one. And if it's good, we get a good new ghostbusters movie.
Gremlins 2 is essentially Sharknado. It's a complete parody of itself, where they consciously chose to discard any basis in reality.
That said, I liked it.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Hell no.
Gremlins 2 is essentially "What if I got to make this thing the Looney Tunes cartoon I wanted to make the first one but couldn't?"
I'm a hobbit. I ride barrels.
Anyway, Aykroyd just said this movie is funnier than the original.
edit: someone posted it in easily shareable jpg form upthread, apologies. Just in case you were wondering whether the quote was fake or real, there's where it comes from.
GabeTheGrouch76
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I don't exactly agree. I don't think that reboots / continuation inherently make the original retroactively worse; if your notion is that specific idea is dumb, then yeah, I agree with you there. But I do think that a bad product can stain, if not outright kill, whatever legacy was established by the originals (though individual/one-off installments typically stave off bad remakes since they aren't or weren't intended to be established franchises).
Before Terminators 3-5, the series was legendary with just the first two films. After Terminators 3-5, that franchise is now a been done. Same case can be vouched for SW regarding the prequels. The original trilogy were king before Epi. I-III. The films are still considered great today, but looking back on them in light of the prequels is nothing compared to recalling them before the prequels were a thing.
With that said, good remakes and continuations (e.g. True Grit, Mad Max: Fury Road, and The Force Awakens) prevent old iconic properties from being looked back with that slightly bitter taste (at least, not by most people, anyway).
FO-totality
Poet Centuriate
Gaghbage fiyah
this more offensive than ghosbusters sexism!
I'm more hopeful now than I was a few months ago or whenever it was the first trailer (that really bad one) came out. I just hope it's funny, that's really all this needs to be.
I think the movie looks kind of bad and I can understand why a lot of people are upset about it, because Ghostbusters is a pretty huge property, but I don't get why some people are so ridiculously angry over it. Like, if you don't want to support the movie then just don't go so see it. It's not that hard. Vote with your wallet, not your keyboard.
Side note: I'm automatically removing the people who are blatantly sexist from the equation with this comment and talking about the people who are all up in arms for a Ghostbusters reboot looking mediocre.
Side note: I'm automatically removing the people who are blatantly sexist from the equation with this comment and talking about the people who are all up in arms for a Ghostbusters reboot looking mediocre.
Agreed with most of it, but generally disagree with him about anything else I've read from him so this was a nice surprise. Although the whole "discretion is the better part of valor" bit didn't really resonate with me. The movie just looks bad and I couldn't care less if a bunch of other jackoffs feel the same way, albeit for entirely different reasons. At this point of discussing things on the internet, I'm not entirely surprised or bothered anymore that a particularly distasteful part of the internet falls on the same general plane. It's usually how these things go.
NOLA_Gaffer
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Nah, I'm looking forward to it as well.
I mean, the '84 Ghostbusters is a pop culture icon and will never be topped, but that doesn't mean this movie will automatically be bad.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
My problem with James Rolfe not reviewing GB is that he has no problem reviewing other reboots/remakes/reimagines. Does he really like Bay's Transformers and TMNT? How about Abram's Star Trek? I don't think Rolfe is sexist but his argument for not going to see it has way too many holes in it. I can't buy it.
Yo, real talk: that Yogi Bear movie was alright.
He's totally right about how bad remakes are just forgotten shortly after release. The only example I can think of an over-designed CGI shit-fest actually replacing the public image of a franchise I like is Transformers. Who even cares these days that a CGI version of Yogi Bear exists?
Point is, if this movie really sucks, it'll fade into obscurity with the original Ghostbusters still being the definitive one. And if it's good, we get a good new ghostbusters movie.
Yo, real talk: that Yogi Bear movie was alright.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
He says it like all "nerds" are inherently sexist. Of course sexism is bad wherever you find it, but I don't see how "geek culture" is more inherently sexist than other cultures.
See also: The RoboCop reboot that happened. It wasn't even that bad of a movie (I'd put it between 2 and 3) but it faded away and everybody still looks at the original as the movie people think of when you say RoboCop
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Again, why does it matter whether or not "geek culture" has its own inherently unique brand of sexism?
You just said all cultures are sexist, right? Why does it bother you when people point out "geek culture" has a sexism problem?
Are you trying to suggest it doesn't?
Why?
GamerGate and Sad Puppies prove that you're not on to something.
Because I don't see any culture inherently more sexist than the other. However, I do like to hear any counter arguments to that.
Messofanego
Banned
What's more sexist than gamergate, sad/rabid puppies, redpillers, and dozens of other geek communities? I'd love to know if there are non-geek cultures that do as much doxxing or destroying of women's lives just for the lulz.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Why does it matter, though? You keep not answering that.
Why does it matter whether or not "Geek Culture" is more sexist than regular ol culture or not?
Setting aside the fact "geek culture" isn't much more than just buying shit so its status as a culture comparable to the others you vaguely reference is kinda questionable, why do you keep trying to frame the fact his calling out of the sexism ingrained in this subculture is somehow unfair because it's not egregious enough for you?
What is it about him calling out sexism in your subculture that annoys you so much? Do you disagree that it's sexist? Or just that it's not all that sexist? That sexism isn't really that big a problem for self-identified nerds. It's manageable. It's like a minor case of psoriasis. You just wear a long-sleeved shirt and nobody'll notice. No need to point out the unsightliness.
I admit, I genuinely have no idea who are Sad puppies.
I just don't feel comfortable calling the entire cultre sexist. Of course I don't condone any sexist behaviours weather it was from nerds or anyone.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Sad Puppies are the science fiction communities version of gamer gaters. Basically angry literary assholes that get angry when the main character of a scifi novel arent white.
Thats a condensed explanation.
You have a gift.
Gentleman Jack
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Fandoms in orbit of pop culture movies and merchandise indisputably have big problem with sexism. It's not a shtick to point that out. It's cold hard reality. It doesn't have to be measured against some standard deviation to be worth discussing.
Holy shit seriously ?! That's some KKK level bullshit.
JesseEwiak
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To be fair, it's closer to "why are sci-fi novels talking about deep shit we don't care about like gender roles instead of being about cool dudes in spaceships shooting evil aliens."
QuantumZebra
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Gremlins 2 is amazing.
Its up there with Johnny Mnemonic, Hackers, etc.. as one of the all-time great/absurd 90s flicks
Bobby Roberts
Banned
"I read these books to escape the real world, I don't need you bringing in all this PC bullshit into my books, just tell a good story and keep your agenda to yourself."
Like Sci-Fi/Fantasy isn't a genre historically known for social advocacy through allegory.
Gremlins 2 is pretty much nothing like either of those movies.
For one thing, it's actually good.
Wasn't Star Trek the first show to feature a white man kiss a black woman back in the 1960s ?
You're damn right it is.
Sort of. The franchise has had some issues though. I'm just glad someone talked Roddenberry out of a four-breasted Deanna Troi.
Bobby Roberts
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And there were probably a bunch of Star Trek fans at the time who thought it was horseshit that "real world" problems were "artificially injected" into their spaceship show because of some stupid "hippie agenda."
QuantumZebra
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Gremlins 2 is the best of those three I won't deny that - but don't you dare insult Johnny Mnemonic
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