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[ItWasMeantToBe19]

$50 bucks says it's parody/defaming, since some of this shit is just too far out.

No, it's not, these people actually believe this stuff.

 

[AppleMIX]

Well it's not like there aren't some feminists out there who are super bonkers.

It's just that they're a fringe group while it's the reverse with MRAs where the reasonable ones are the fringe.

Thanks. I was just suggesting that MRA's don't have monopoly on silly boycotts.

 

[wenis]

ha, they obviously haven't seen it then. there is no posturing or grand standing in this movie. It's just a damn fine movie.

what a bunch of cunts.

 

[Sai-kun]

I think this might actually get me to watch the movie.

And you know what even that article while absolutely odd is nowhere near hateful or violent or sexist as your average moderate MRA.

bubububut both sides are the same!!!

 

[twobear]

honestly it's just disgusting the amount of SJW propaganda herodotus is engaged in these days. doesn't he know that it's a scientific fact that women are just worse than men? this kind of thing undermines the culture of the city-states and the future of every greek man.

 

[Kinyou]

And you know what even that article while absolutely odd is nowhere near hateful or violent or sexist as your average moderate MRA.

True, the tone in the op probably more similar to those radicals who hate transgender women. Ironically is that probably a believe they have in common with many MRAs.

 

[Catdaddy]

Reads like an Onion article, are we sure they are for real?

 

[maquiladora]

Won't somebody think of the men! :-(

 

[adamsappel]

If you watch pretty much anything, there is an extremely high chance that the antagonist is male, and all of his forces are as well. A female protagonist does not change this, just look at Fury Road.

The role of being the bad guy and being the bad guy's cannon fodder to kill is reserved for men.

Dredd and Kingsman had badass evil women.

 

[jon bones]

Thanks. I was just suggesting that MRA's don't have monopoly on silly boycotts.

and what good is an MRA thread if you can't use it to lobby complaints against feminists?

 

[bigwinnerx]

Assholes. All of them.

 

[Sojgat]

Here is Aaron Clarey in all his glory.

I just couldn't help but Google this guy. He actually has a YouTube channel where he charges a fee for answering questions and giving terrible life advice. A former hedge fund analyst, he also has a blog, a podcast, and is the author of a number of hilariously titled books.

So yeah, apparently he's not just a douchebag, he's world-class, professional douchebag.

 

[pgtl_10]

You don't wanna know the answer to that question.

But.. if you really do, then see the original source reporting on this, at the end of the story. I'm not quoting it because it's incredibly nasty stuff.

I seriously hope that guy is lying.

Speechless.

 

[AppleMIX]

and what good is an MRA thread if you can't use it to lobby complaints against feminists?

I merely was just an observation.

Sorry, If you think there is something more there but their isn't.

 

[Intheflorsh]

$50 bucks says it's parody/defaming, since some of this shit is just too far out.

I'll take that in cash.

 

[ginger ninja]

No, it's not, these people actually believe this stuff.

Most of the stuff they say are gross exaggerations which bury the actual few good points they might raise once in a while, but this just grade A satire or stupidity, the line about Terminator Genisys had me questioning.

 

[Hamster Plugin]

It does appear to be changing: Dredd, John Wick and The Raid 2 all had some great female antagonists.

I know of Dredd (it was awesome, but I don't think the movie did well?), but haven't seen the other two. Time to catch up!

Disney always has had strong female representation. They have tons of girls and women in leading roles, and the same for villains. It's not unusual to immediately think of Disney when you're thinking of female roles.

Yeah, Disney has always been quite good. I actually remember a thread here about Fox News fools saying that Frozen vilifies men, which was really hilarious until you remember that some people listen to them for real. It's why I can't take conservatives (most MRAs seem to be conservatives) seriously any more.

The latest action movies I saw were The Expendables 1 and 2, which are literally BRO IT UP films, so maybe that affected my perception of villainy. I'll see John Wick next as I heard good things about it.

 

[The Technomancer]

honestly it's just disgusting the amount of SJW propaganda herodotus is engaged in these days. doesn't he know that it's a scientific fact that women are just worse than men? this kind of thing undermines the culture of the city-states and the future of every greek man.

I just read someone's dissertation actually that drew strong comparisons between current neoreactionary movements and classical Platonic thought and the plight of the philosopher would-be-king

 

[leadbelly]

How so?

You can't think of single thing done in the name of feminism that was bonkers? Come on.

Even on the front page of Neogaf today I can find an example.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1045396

I find them both ridiculous.

ah yes, we've come to "both sides are the same!!"

like clockwork

Well, okay, define what 'both sides' actually means. What sides are we talking about?

I say that because some people in this thread like AlimNassor have stated that they're extreme even for MRAs.

I'm a firm feminist, and anti-MRA but, these guys are too hardcore for a majority of MRAs. Iirc these guys hate MRAs for being beta. These guys are the hardcore extremists who seek to put the women in chains.

We all generalise, but I would be foolish to say all feminists do ridiculous things. Generally speaking I would qualify it with words like 'some' or 'certain groups'.

 

[okdakor]

Although one thing that did seem wacky—The Vagina Monologues playwright was consulted about sex trafficking? I know she does a lot of outreach for women of sexual violence, but if you wanted to educated your actors about what it's like to be sex slaves, you'd think you'd find a better or more direct source.

Here's an interview of the Vagina Monologues writer, explaining how she was involved : http://time.com/3850323/mad-max-fury-road-eve-ensler-feminist/

 

[excelsiorlef]

True, the tone in the op probably more similar to those radicals who hate transgender women. Ironically is that probably a believe they have in common with many MRAs.

Yep and TERFS are wretched. Thankfully they are becoming less and less present and are close to being irrelevant.

 

[Snaku]

Greatest action film of all time.

 

[TetraxShards]

Isn't Mad Max austrailian? What the hell.

This was my first thought as well.

Looking forward to the movie though.

 

[excelsiorlef]

You can't think of single thing done in the name of feminism that was bonkers? Come on.

Even on the front page of Neogaf today I can find an example.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1045396

I find them both ridiculous.



Well, okay, define what 'both sides' actually means. What sides are we talking about?

I say that because some people in this thread like AlimNassor have stated that they're extreme even for MRAs.


We all generalise, but I would be foolish to say all feminists do ridiculous things. Generally speaking I would qualify it with words like 'some' or 'certain groups'.

Yep because organizing a space where female racial minorities can meet and discuss issues just amongst themselves is exactly like saying women are just genetically inferior and Mad Maxx is a feminist conspiracy to destroy masculinity or whatever.

Just the same thing.

 

[Pyramid head]

Apparently I'm living under a rock or something. My first reaction to reading the OP was, 'what the fuck is a mens rights activist?' probably the most privileged social group on Earth bitching about some imagined oppression? This is some stupid shit.

 

[leadbelly]

Yep because organizing a space where female racial minorities can meet and discuss issues just amongst themselves is exactly like saying women are just genetically inferior and Mad Maxx is a feminist conspiracy to destroy masculinity or whatever.

Just the same thing.

No, I am not saying they are equivalent, only that they are both ridiculous. It was a meeting about challenging social inequality. I mentioned it because it was on the front page. Not because it was the only example.

 

[Sai-kun]

You can't think of single thing done in the name of feminism that was bonkers? Come on.

Even on the front page of Neogaf today I can find an example.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1045396

I find them both ridiculous.

seriously? i'd love for you to tell me how they're in any way comparable.

one is trying to create and promote a safe space for minority women and non-binary folks to talk and create a dialogue/facilitate discussion

the other is an almost literal heap of trash

 

[Laevateinn]

I didn't even realize this movie exists. Thanks MRAs for giving me something to go see.

 

[atr0cious]

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MenAreTheExpendableGender

Lol you can tell this was written by a man.It's so one sided and almost persecuted in its language.

 

[Croatoan]

I am thrilled that Theron (a great actress) apparently shines in this movie but if (like previews dictate) she is the main protagonist, does most of the fighting, and is the most pivotal character then why is the movie called Mad Max? Why not Furiosa or just Fury Road?

I am going to see it regardless but it just sorta seems like Miller wanted to make a "Furiosa" movie but gave it the title Mad Max for name value alone (which I don't like because its dishonest and shows you don't have faith in Theron to carry your movie).

I can see a lot of fans being upset, not because of some feminist plot, but because they wanted to see Mad Max do something other than have his name on the movie.

 

[HK-47]

Sweet lord, the tags on that site:



Isn''t that "beta" thing exclusive to Tumblr?

No its exclusive to idiots desperate to seem alpha.

 

[atr0cious]

(dishonest and shows you don't have faith in Theron to carry your movie).

I wish Kojima could see this comment, he'd be so proud to have brought a similar emotion far before his idol.

Art doesn't care about your misconceptions.

 

[BronsonLee]

I am thrilled that Theron (a great actress) apparently shines in this movie but if (like previews dictate) she is the main protagonist, does most of the fighting, and is the most pivotal character then why is the movie called Mad Max? Why not Furiosa or just Fury Road?

I am going to see it regardless but it just sorta seems like Miller wanted to make a "Furiosa" movie but gave it the title Mad Max for name value alone (which I don't like because its dishonest and shows you don't have faith in Theron to carry your movie).

I can see a lot of fans being upset, not because of some feminist plot, but because they wanted to see Mad Max do something other than have his name on the movie.

There is no issue here. Max does plenty. I can explain further if you'd like, but it's a bit spoilery for the first few minutes of the movie.

 

[Werewolf Jones]

Saw a lot of people getting mad about "Max not being the MC" thing on /tv/ on 4chan and I don't get the need for anger, if you're not interested then don't watch it no reason to do all this. smh

 

[TheOohChild]

So what exactly is supposed to be so unrealistic about her character? Is she trying to bare knuckle box 500 lb desert bandits? Or are they just struggling with the concept of a heroic woman?

 

[Rayis]

If this doesn't convince people that MRA's are misogynists then I don't know what will.

 

[Mumei]

What is up with these people? Do none of them have daughters????

... Do you really want them to?

 

[Kinyou]

Lol you can tell this was written by a man.It's so one sided and almost persecuted in its language.

I don't know.
Tropes likes this aren't favorable to either gender

-If the story requires random anonymous characters to die just to move the plot forward, they'll likely be male. If the plot requires a tragic death that motivates the protagonists or shows how evil the villains are, the victim will be female. Similarly if the story demands random mooks get a beat down by a character to up the sense of danger or just show off how awesome the protagonist is, they will be male.

-Male villains who target female characters are portrayed as more evil than those who target men.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I wish Kojima could see this comment, he'd be so proud to have brought a similar emotion far before his idol.

Art doesn't care about your misconceptions.

Yeah MGS2 was brilliant! One of the coolest twists honestly. It's my fav Metal Gear.

 

[jon bones]

I find them both ridiculous.

Well, okay, define what 'both sides' actually means. What sides are we talking about?

I say that because some people in this thread like AlimNassor have stated that they're extreme even for MRAs.

if you find those who who work towards gender equality and toxic misogynistic manbabies equally ridiulous, that's a problem.

coming into a thread about MRA with the only intention of conflating feminism and MRAs is dismissive and doesn't exactly paint your post in a positive light

I know of Dredd (it was awesome, but I don't think the movie did well?), but haven't seen the other two. Time to catch up!

you're in for a treat, both movies are excellent

 

[Matty77]

I am thrilled that Theron (a great actress) apparently shines in this movie but if (like previews dictate) she is the main protagonist, does most of the fighting, and is the most pivotal character then why is the movie called Mad Max? Why not Furiosa or just Fury Road?

I am going to see it regardless but it just sorta seems like Miller wanted to make a "Furiosa" movie but gave it the title Mad Max for name value alone (which I don't like because its dishonest and shows you don't have faith in Theron to carry your movie).

I can see a lot of fans being upset, not because of some feminist plot, but because they wanted to see Mad Max do something other than have his name on the movie.

Have you ever watched a mad max movie. Beyond the first one he just pretty much wanders in and out of shit and is never the focus.
The road warrior was Lord Humungus and the oil clan and Max literaly only got involved to fill his gas tank.

Thunderdome was about political factions and than children and both situations max just stumbled into, one as pawn, one as reluctant mentor.

So a movie where someone else is the lead and situation is going on and max just kind of gets involved is par for the course.

He kind of died at the end of the first film, now he is just a broken man that gets involved in situations he comes across.

 

[leadbelly]

if you find those who who work towards gender equality and toxic misogynistic manbabies equally ridiulous, that's a problem.

coming into a thread about MRA with the only intention of conflating feminism and MRAs is dismissive and doesn't exactly paint your post in a positive light

Your mistake is you're assuming I was saying they are equivalent. That wasn't what I meant. I'm not arguing intentions I was arguing actions.

It wasn't even an argument to begin with though, it was just a throw away comment.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

What is up with these people? Do none of them have daughters????

With how they view women do you really think they are able to get a date?

Why do you think they are so angry at women?

 

[Asami208]

Max is only really the "focus" of the first film. In the others, he kind of just gets caught up in other people's shit that really has nothing to do with him otherwise. He's kind of like an apocalyptic John McClane in that regard.

 

[dark10x]

Yup. It's too bad it's all just misogynists who would rather complain about feminism. MRAs and feminists should have very similar goals, but instead we've got one group fighting for women's equality and one group who thinks that men have the right to be superior to women. If anything these asshats are making the actual issues in your post much harder to discuss.

I would like to see this as well. Cooperation. ALL of these groups appear to be fighting for themselves at the expense of others though this "MRA" shit is particularly bad since they're not defending anything - they're just shitting on others.

That said, some women ALSO fight for what they view as "their space" and it sucks too. I quit my job and followed my wife to Europe in order to further her career making me a "trailing spouse" and, let me tell you, it's not easy doing the reverse from the societal "norm". Just one point that helped trigger some bad depression.

 

[Mr. Giggles]

You want to see him cut his dick off?

No, rofl.

I meant the comments from the MRA sub reddit.

 

[leadbelly]

coming into a thread about MRA with the only intention of conflating feminism and MRAs is dismissive and doesn't exactly paint your post in a positive light

Now, I am going to repost this again,

I'm a firm feminist, and anti-MRA but, these guys are too hardcore for a majority of MRAs. Iirc these guys hate MRAs for being beta. These guys are the hardcore extremists who seek to put the women in chains.

I am not an MRA, I find both labels to be in some way divisive, but I wouldn't do what you are doing. I wouldn't conflate ALL feminism with extremist groups. I wouldn't for instance conflate all feminism with the TERFS.

I also don't think feminism is above criticism.

 

[excelsiorlef]

That said, some women ALSO fight for what they view as "their space" and it sucks too. I quit my job and followed my wife to Europe in order to further her career making me a "trailing spouse" and, let me tell you, it's not easy doing the reverse from the societal "norm". Just one point that helped trigger some bad depression.

What does the first part of this paragraph have to do with the second?

 

[Yrael]

More RoK and RoK affiliates' "greatest hits" include:

"6 reasons why fat women are defective"
"Girls with short hair are damaged"
"How women become worthless"
"How to crush a girl's self esteem"

Oh and the owner, Roosh V, is a self-admitted rapist ("While walking to my place, I realized how drunk she was. In America, having sex with her would have been rape, since she legally couldn’t give her consent. It didn’t help matters that I was relatively sober, but I can’t say I cared or even hesitated. I won’t rationalize my actions, but having sex is what I do. If a girl is willing to walk home with me, she’s going to get the dick no matter how much she has drunk. I’ll protect myself by using a condom (most of the time), but I know that when it comes to sex, one ounce of hesitation or a feeling of morality will get me nothing.").

His proposal to end "real" rape is...apparently to make it legal on "private property":

http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/17/pickup-guru-roosh-v-end-rape-by-making-it-legal/

 

[Mumei]

$50 bucks says it's parody/defaming, since some of this shit is just too far out.

Return of the Kings is, at least by traffic numbers it receives, one of the (if not the) biggest manosphere (e.g. PUA, MRA, and MGTOW) websites around. I think the only other site that competes would be A Voice for Men, which isn't any prettier to look at.

Well, I suppose there's also r/redpill, but that's certainly not a good argument, either. They're just as ridiculous.