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[wickfut]

A misogynistic, bigoted, disgusting group of 'pick up artists' who view a woman's only value is sex and that they should be treated like children because they apparently act like and are only as smart as children.

you say that as if it's a bad thing? ha ha

 

[Stinkles]

Ah, I see now. Not that the MRAs aren't batshit crazy, but at least I understand now why this movie in particular set them off. For most of this thread I thought it was literally nothing more than "this movie has an action girl with short hair," which seemed like a thin pretext for outrage, even for MRAs.

But most of their outrage was formed without this information, and centered instead on the fact that a feminist showed up on set one day.

 

[BronsonLee]

you say that as if it's a bad thing? ha ha

Oh... oh no.

 

[The Technomancer]

Ah, I see now. Not that the MRAs aren't batshit crazy, but at least I understand now why this movie in particular set them off. For most of this thread I thought it was literally nothing more than "this movie has an action girl with short hair," which seemed like a thin pretext for outrage, even for MRAs.

Miller was apparently crazy conscious of the women in the film. He brought on the author of the Vagina Monologues to consult with some of the major female characters

 

[Paper Sparrow]

you say that as if it's a bad thing? ha ha

I really hope you don't think all I'm good for is sex.

 

[wickfut]

Oh... oh no.

oh here we go, the ultra serious that can't read the fucking "ha ha" comment afterwards

get a grip

 

[maquiladora]

you say that as if it's a bad thing? ha ha

 

[BronsonLee]

oh here we go, the ultra serious that can't read the fucking "ha ha" comment afterwards

get a grip

I tried, but I lost my grip :'(

Spoiler

saying ha ha after something doesn't really save you from looking like an idiot

 

[Ohwiseone]

I know I am late on this topic.

But if this pisses them off, I can't wait to see what they write when The Force Awakens Comes out.

Considering the Lead in the next trilogy is a Woman

 

[kitzkozan]

As if the solid buzz and the crazy trailers hasn't been enough, this is just another reason to support the movie. Lol. It's hilarious how MRAs do more damage to the "image" of men and masculinity than whatever they oppose. For guys who are so worried about being "pussified", they sure seem insecure and lack balls.

Yes, it's crazy how weak and insecure these guys actually portray themselves without knowing it.

If they are calling for a boycott of Mad Max, what will happen when they realize that Star Wars episode 7, 8 and 9 cover a possible female protagonist? It's already too late and they have no control over what's going to happen.

 

[Frankenstrat]

oh here we go, the ultra serious that can't read the fucking "ha ha" comment afterwards

get a grip

Joke's on you, I was pretending to be terrible!

 

[duckroll]

Miller was apparently crazy conscious of the women in the film. He brought on the author of the Vagina Monologues to consult with some of the major female characters

Yeah. Actually it wasn't even the major female characters, he wanted in particular consultation for the actresses playing the slaves. It's pretty crazy how aware the production is for a 100-200 million dollar blockbuster about people killing each other in a huge desert chase.

http://time.com/3850323/mad-max-fury-road-eve-ensler-feminist/

TIME: It’s so rare that a big blockbuster film takes on these themes, let alone brings someone with your background on the set to consult. How did that come to be?

Eve Ensler: It was as surprising to me as it is to you, which is why I decided to do it. I think [director] George Miller heard me give a talk on human rights in Sydney. He asked me if I would be willing to come to Namibia for a week where they were shooting and work with the cast members—particularly the wives. He wanted me to give them a perspective on violence against women around the world, particularly in war zones.

You’ve been working for 20 years to end violence against women. How did you share those experiences with the actors?

They asked me questions about their characters. What would it mean to have been a sex slave held for a long time in captivity? What would it feel like to carry a baby of someone who had raped you? What would it mean to feel attached to your perpetrator despite the abuse because it had go on for so long? How after you are raped, your body becomes a place that you dissociate from, a landscape of terror. I wanted to give them context. We spoke about the Comfort Women, who were kept as slaves by the Japanese, and about rape and violence in places I have spent a lot of time like Bosnia to Congo to Afghanistan to Haiti. We spoke about sex trafficking in America, which is rampant.

 

[Gentleman Jack]

Joke's on you, I was pretending to be terrible!

Guy liked to 'pretend' a lot, going by his post history.

 

[kitzkozan]

A misogynistic, bigoted, disgusting group of 'pick up artists' who view a woman's only value is sex and that they should be treated like children because they apparently act like and are only as smart as children.

I'll tell you one thing about that lol. How fucking lazy can misogynist be to always use this fucking argument? I've heard this crap many time before, and one day I found out the source of this children theory (back on shoryuken in 2007). It's actually from an essay on women which the philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer wrote in the 1800's and we can see that it's recuperated by numerous misogynistic men today.

Heck, search google and you will see a link which refer to that Schopenhauer text along with redpill lol.

 

[SolicitorPirate]

coming into a thread about MRA with the only intention of conflating feminism and MRAs is dismissive and doesn't exactly paint your post in a positive light

It's Leadbelly. He comes in with his contrarian bullshit in nearly any thread about gender issues. I suspect he disappears into the ether if he doesn't meet his monthly quota or something.

 

[danm999]

A piece of American culture? Mad Max is Australian you silly bigot.

Yup, just screams "I have not even the basic understanding of the source material I'm claiming is being ruined".

 

[Brian Griffin]

I'm going to see this tomorrow. I had no idea there was such a feminist angle to it so now I'm even more excited to see it. Get fucked MRAs.

 

[pantsonhead]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
Time to get my movie on.

 

[jon bones]

It's Leadbelly. He comes in with his contrarian bullshit in nearly any thread about gender issues. I suspect he disappears into the ether if he doesn't meet his monthly quota or something.

makes sense. always the same posters in every one of these threads.

 

[Lonewolf_92]

I like women on Top.

So do I.

These guys are going full PETA with their bullcrap, you never go full PETA.

 

[Toothless]

He compains that the character TAKE ORDERS.

He never saw a mad max movie in his life because the character is basicaly Link, a mute dude who takes orders from everyone in his quest

I now want a George Miller directed Legend of Zelda movie. Thanks.

 

[Apt101]

Sounds like a movie I really want to see then.

 

[Discotheque]

Most female-empowered action film I've seen since Aliens or T2. The women don't kick ass in here to fill a quota or anything noticeable like that. They are just part of a world that requires them to survive, the same as everyone else.

And Furiosa...wooow. I can see why the misogynists are angry.

 

[ivysaur12]

Eve Ensler consulting on the film makes me grin so fucking much. I'm so excited.

 

[Dice//]

It's a large subset of men, rather than one person.

...Oh. =/

Scott Benson's video explains this in less than a minute: https://vimeo.com/64941331

This was amazing.

Eve Ensler consulting on the film makes me grin so fucking much. I'm so excited.

Likewise. It's surprising and, imo, quite a formality I really don't think many do.

 

[Lys Skygge]

Eve Ensler consulting on the film makes me grin so fucking much. I'm so excited.

Same here! I can't wait to take my SO to this on our day off.

 

[Not]

Who fucking gives a fucking shit what MRA groups are saying. Ignore everything they fucking say. I'm angry this thread is giving them attention.

Though I guess now I'm now really excited to see this movie.

 

[ronito]

I feel like I'm getting old and a majority of the internet just seems like one big Poe's law exhibit to me now.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Ripley in Aliens is still to this day my favorite action hero. It didn't even occur to me as a child when I watched it that her gender would be something that some.would view as a negative.

MRA insecurities are sad if THIS is the agenda. Bitching about fictional characters?

 

[Rhaknar]

They must fucking foam at the mouth with Person of Interest

 

[Phil N DeBlanc]

Well, if this movie is upsetting MRAs, then it must be doing something right.

 

[ivysaur12]

Likewise. It's surprising and, imo, quite a formality I really don't think many do.

Because I want to use this everywhere:

 

[keisuke999]

MRAs and RadFems make me wonder how western society still even exists haha

 

[SoulUnison]

https://youtu.be/oMnxPsQanrs?t=1m8s

This movie sounds great. Who really finds Max interesting enough to have him totally headline a fourth movie, anyway? To me Rockatansky is more like a living device that just ties a bunch of disconnected wasteland adventure stories together. He's the common element. As a character he's just another stoic, quiet "wounded badass" that's been done to death in just about every genre possible.

If an interesting story is there to tell then tell it - who cares what the genders of the involved characters are?
Another 90 minutes of mostly Max, though, wouldn't have been a worthwhile story to tell, to me. It'd be a movie we'd seen a thousand times before.
The world has enough middle-school masculine masturbatory action movies.

And there are plenty of legitimate battle to fight when it comes to the male side of gender politics that it really messes with my head that MRA always seems to come across as "I'm a straight, white, Christian male living in the United States...but things could *still* be better for me." We've already kind of hit the existential jackpot, guys.

Discrimination is being discriminated against or being marginalized, not wanting to have *all the toys* and throwing a fit when somebody else, possibly of a different *gender* (gasp) steps into the spotlight momentarily.

I've got friends that live in one of the most hilariously, stereotypically progressive cities (Portland) in one the most progressive states (Oregon) of *the* most protective country (The United States...duh) and I'm still constantly hearing about how the world isn't pandering enough to their straight, white, christian, male selves.

I also like how that article implies that "real women" shouldn't see this movie, because "real women" know that an action movie should only star men and have the women in supporting, subservient roles.

"...if they sheepishly attend and Fury Road is a blockbuster, then you, me, and all the other men (and real women) in the world will never be able to see a real action movie ever again ..."

It's *literally* not an action movie if a woman does something meaningful in it, besides I guess maybe dying/being kidnapped to give the (male, of course) star some angsty motivation. (So original!)

And the author romanticizes Max himself *so hard* it's uncomfortable. Apparently only men can have "principles" or "stand up for things."

I don't even want to get into how ironic I find it that Mad Max is considered so hyper-masculine when, as a gay male, I can notice it's absolutely filled to the brim in *every installment* with campy, leather outfits, assless chaps, loincloths, bare male midriffs, *a sizable amount* of implied (and pretty blatant) homosexual relationships... I mean, even the cover to the first movie makes Max look like he's on his way to some 80s underground fetish club.

Remember Johnny from the first movie? Or that totally out of nowhere "let's get off our bikes and dance" scene? Or how about "Fifi," the police chief who dresses like that "Hard Gay" meme. Second movie has Wes in his assless chaps with his obviously effeminate, submissive boyfriend. Not to mention Humungus being in charge of a couple groups of gangs, one of which is literally called the "Gayboy Crazies." The poster for "Beyond Thunderdome" looks like a teaser for a Cher music video.

So apparently there can be a super obvious homoerotic thread running through an entire franchise, but I guess *that's* ok because it's still about men, right?

The more I think about this the more it just feels like out-and-out misogyny.
Totally honestly, too, I wonder if there's a significant % of MRA that are closeted or trying to come to terms with some alternate sexuality or image of masculinity.
I don't know if it's a "gay" vibe, but I definitely tend to get an "I wish I could be myself" feeling from a *lot* of these guys.

 

[TheKaeptain]

Because I want to use this everywhere:

YES

 

[BBboy20]

Return of Kings

Oh my god...

 

[Mistouze]

If they are such manly men you'd think they'd be in the woods cutting down tree with their dicks or something instead of bitching on the internet because a chick is an important character in an action movie.

 

[BlueDogAnchorite]

https://youtu.be/oMnxPsQanrs?t=1m8s

This movie sounds great. Who really finds Max interesting enough to have him totally headline a fourth movie, anyway? To me Rockatansky is more like a living device that just ties a bunch of disconnected wasteland adventure stories together. He's the common element. As a character he's just another stoic, quiet "wounded badass" that's been done to death in just about every genre possible.

If an interesting story is there to tell then tell it - who cares what the genders of the involved characters are?
Another 90 minutes of mostly Max, though, wouldn't have been a worthwhile story to tell, to me. It'd be a movie we'd seen a thousand times before.
The world has enough middle-school masculine masturbatory action movies.

And there are plenty of legitimate battle to fight when it comes to the male side of gender politics that it really messes with my head that MRA always seems to come across as "I'm a straight, white, Christian male living in the United States...but things could *still* be better for me." We've already kind of hit the existential jackpot, guys.

Discrimination is being discriminated against or being marginalized, not wanting to have *all the toys* and throwing a fit when somebody else, possibly of a different *gender* (gasp) steps into the spotlight momentarily.

I've got friends that live in one of the most hilariously, stereotypically progressive cities (Portland) in one the most progressive states (Oregon) of *the* most protective country (The United States...duh) and I'm still constantly hearing about how the world isn't pandering enough to their straight, white, christian, male selves.

I agree with you man. I'm watching this movie for sure now. Screw the MRAs

 

[Monocle]

Equality.

I felt my butt clench in dread a few minutes ago. Now I know why.

 

[Zoggy]

i'd make fun of them because i bet these guys will never get laid, but some of the stuff they think is kinda scary.

they must have weird lives

 

[Madness]

So it's a feminist blog, calling out an MRA blog for their views? Why even give them a voice? I hadn't heard a single complaint about Mad Max Fury Road until I saw this thread. I have yet to see it but even the most machismo of my friends said it was a solid movie. This is nothing more than a random group of nobodies complaining and because some other nobodies from a forum didn't like it, they made it into a bigger deal. Just like how random tweets are used to write at length articles now.

If this movie is a pro-feminism movie, than good. There's nothing wrong with greater equality between the sexes/genders etc. What do these people want? To have a Mad Max movie where women are raped en masse and victims of male crime in a post apocalyptic world because that's what would probably happen? Do these same people get upset at Walking Dead because Michonne is a badass with a samurai sword and routinely saves the men?

 

[Matty77]

Do these same people get upset at Walking Dead because Michonne is a badass with a samurai sword and routinely saves the men?

Actually yes, that is exactly the kind of shit that bothers them. Strong depictions of women might make females uppity and we can't have that right? They probably also get more pissed with things like Mad Max and Walking Dead because they all think they would be the survivors in those situations, because they are Alpha amirite? And it's even more important for women to stay in their place and be subordinate to menfolk when humanity's on the line.

I figure that's their thoughts, not sure I have no patience for MRA types.

 

[JimmyRustler]

Ripley in Aliens is still to this day my favorite action hero. It didn't even occur to me as a child when I watched it that her gender would be something that some.would view as a negative.

MRA insecurities are sad if THIS is the agenda. Bitching about fictional characters?

I think you miss the point. Ripley was always the heroine in Alien, Aliens and that was alright. What they are upset about is apparently that they now have Max taking orders and being led by a women.

That would be like we getting a new Alien movie where Ripley is suddenly being led by a men. Wonder if GAF would wash that off in such as case as well...

Hmm, but I don't want to judge in adanvance. Watching the movie tonight with a couple of my work mates. Can't wait.

 

[SoulUnison]

I think you miss the point. Ripley was always the heroine in Alien, Aliens and that was alright. What they are upset about is apparently that they now have Max taking orders and being led by a women.

That would be like we getting a new Alien movie where Ripley is suddenly being led by a men. Wonder if GAF would wash that off in such as case as well...

Hmm, but I don't want to judge in adanvance. Watching the movie tonight with a couple of my work mates. Can't wait.

Max has *always* taken orders from whatever head honco is in charge of whatever pack he comes across. And some of those leaders have even been women before, like the Bartertown settlement.

I wouldn't be surprised if this guy hasn't even watched the original trilogy. I mean, he's so mad at people tarnishing a huge piece of "American culture" but it's not even an American movie. Hell, they re-dubbed the original for us, even though it was *already* in English, because they thought we might have trouble understanding Australian accents.

 

[dosh]

I think you miss the point. Ripley was always the heroine in Alien, Aliens and that was alright. What they are upset about is apparently that they now have Max taking orders and being led by a women.

That would be like we getting a new Alien movie where Ripley is suddenly being led by a men. Wonder if GAF would wash that off in such as case as well...

The difference being that Ripley has a habit of actively taking the helm and leading other characters into the fight against the xenomorphs. Most of the time, Max is just kind of there.

 

[Matty77]

What they are upset about is apparently that they now have Max taking orders and being led by a women.

That would be easier to justify as an excuse if Max had ever made a non-survival decison other than quitting the police force and hunting toe cutter on his own. Pretty much he has done whatever others have wanted to survive.

As for strong Female characters ordering him around in Road Warrior the lady with the bow( don't know the characters name) is the most competent on the good side along with max, and both holds him prisoner and orders him around parts of the movie.

However expecting accuracy from a statement that doesnt seem to know that the mad max Franchise is an Australian legacy is kind of a reach.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

I really want to see that movie now.

I think I'll take my boyfriend to see it for our anniversary date.

 

[Messofanego]

And the author romanticizes Max himself *so hard* it's uncomfortable. Apparently only men can have "principles" or "stand up for things."

I don't even want to get into how ironic I find it that Mad Max is considered so hyper-masculine when, as a gay male, I can notice it's absolutely filled to the brim in *every installment* with campy, leather outfits, assless chaps, loincloths, bare male midriffs, *a sizable amount* of implied (and pretty blatant) homosexual relationships... I mean, even the cover to the first movie makes Max look like he's on his way to some 80s underground fetish club.

Remember Johnny from the first movie? Or that totally out of nowhere "let's get off our bikes and dance" scene? Or how about "Fifi," the police chief who dresses like that "Hard Gay" meme. Second movie has Wes in his assless chaps with his obviously effeminate, submissive boyfriend. Not to mention Humungus being in charge of a couple groups of gangs, one of which is literally called the "Gayboy Crazies." The poster for "Beyond Thunderdome" looks like a teaser for a Cher music video.

So apparently there can be a super obvious homoerotic thread running through an entire franchise, but I guess *that's* ok because it's still about men, right?

The more I think about this the more it just feels like out-and-out misogyny.
Totally honestly, too, I wonder if there's a significant % of MRA that are closeted or trying to come to terms with some alternate sexuality or image of masculinity.
I don't know if it's a "gay" vibe, but I definitely tend to get an "I wish I could be myself" feeling from a *lot* of these guys.

Was all that stuff an aesthetic in the gay scene before the Mad Max movies, like in the 70s already? And yeah, it's pretty funny when put that way.

This reminds me, a recent game called Lisa the RPG is all about that side of Mad Max as an inspiration (I don't think the official Mad Max game will get into that), as it's a post-apocalyptic game where there are only men so it gets into all those types of relationships. Gay, cross-dressing, etc. You can become a prostitute, and get involved in many other things. When you got a world full of Fist Of The North Star-like hunks with no women, that's the kind of world you can imagine according to the creator in this video interview. The creator, Austin Jorgensen, expanded more later on in that interview about sexuality in that game, not many games get into that.

 

[Lightning_Roller]

These dumb morons are straight clown shoes. But on the bright side, I wanna go see Mad Max: Fury Road now.

 

[leadbelly]

It's Leadbelly. He comes in with his contrarian bullshit in nearly any thread about gender issues. I suspect he disappears into the ether if he doesn't meet his monthly quota or something.

Okay I will bite. Only because I found your post history amusing.

While it is true that in threads dealing with gender issues my opinion would probably be contrary to others, well, contrary to yours specifically, I generally have a legitimate point to make. I at least attempt to make a reasoned argument. And the fact of the matter is, it is usually completely on topic. So I have an opinion contrary to yours, whoop-dee-doo.

Looking at your posts though:

I'm legitimately upset so few posts in this thread have mentioned or acknowledged Gamergate. That utter fucking disgrace should live on in our memories for a long time so that we never repeat it. Hell, it shouldn't even be considered a memory since it's victims are still being harassed.

I think you mean 'genuinely' upset. You are genuinely upset because some people didn't acknowledge Gamergate (lol). Talk about getting overly invested in this shit. And you talk about how I probably disappear into the ether when there isn't a thread about these specific issues? Give me break.