Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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MRA group boycotting Fury Road.
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LiquidSword
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To a normal human being, nothing. To an MRA it's a sign that the SJWs and the feminazis are taking over the movies!!
In a perfect world everyone would be logical and realize its culturally healthy to have diversity and a wide range of archetypes for characters in media, but that is definitely not the world we live in lol
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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I'll admit that I usually find the "woman going toe to toe with men twice her size" trope kinda silly, but this movie looks ridiculously over-the-top and stylized, to the extent that the unreality of it doesn't matter one bit.
MRAs are such self-parodies.
MRAs are such self-parodies.
Cow Mengde
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Are we sure these guys aren't trolling us or something? It just sounds too batshit insane and stupid to be real.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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http://www.returnofkings.com
"Too batshit insane and stupid to be real" is a good description. Unfortunately, this site is real and has been around forever.
machemachete
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Not supporting the movie now.
Either way I live in Perú and my movie ticket money just go to the distributor 
Gentleman Jack
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Not supporting the movie now.
Either way I live in Perú and my movie ticket money just go to the distributor
Foreign distributors need to keep the lights on somehow, and it's best they get rewarded for carrying movies as strong as Fury Road rather than sanitized empty headed PG-13 blockbusters.
ElBoxyBrown
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Michael Bay is like, "Don't worry guys I got you next year."
Now I'm a hypocrite cuz I watch Michael Bay movies.
Now I'm a hypocrite cuz I watch Michael Bay movies.
When people act batshit insane and stupid for years on end, I think we can safely answer the question of whether they're trolling.
I really hate to derail but, could someone explain what happened with holybaikal? I'm not a super regular so I'm not too keen on who's who around here. For some reason that user name always stood out to me. Japanese culture expert?
Also,
Lol "behind the ears" while you're trying to accuse someone of stupidity. This shit is too absurd to be true.
Also,
MRA moron said:
Lol "behind the ears" while you're trying to accuse someone of stupidity. This shit is too absurd to be true.
BronsonLee
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This fucking thread happened.
It gets worse from there. If you keep reading, you can probably feel me getting an aneurysm!
Ah, yes I remember that thread. It got weird and I checked out pretty quick. Thanks!
TheRedSnifit
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The comments section for the article (the original one on RoK) is pretty sad, but their are a few awesome people to be found there:
A lesson emerges: MRAs hate being called "beta".
A lesson emerges: MRAs hate being called "beta".
Oh leadbelly, you being here reminds me - I remember in the last thread we both posted in you said you've really listened to Karen Straughan / GWW from AVfM (and then clarified that though you don't ardently support her you still find her ideas interesting)? It's funny, I just read a National Post article about this brouhaha, and then stumbled on her in the comment section bashing Mad Max as "feminist propaganda":
http://news.nationalpost.com/arts/m...propaganda-only-to-bullies#comment-2023689129
Good god, the idea of a female lead in a Mad Max movie is just so threatening to these MRA groups. It's amazing. (It's even more hilarious when I see the 99% Rotten Tomato rating after 166 reviews.)
Gun Animal
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Correction to the OP's article: Return of Kings is not an MRA website. The writers at Return of Kings have stated this themselves multiple times, and any MRA writers I know of openly denounce Return of Kings as hate speech or intentionally absurd clickbait. MRAs as a whole are probably more concerned with Circumcision, Custody Law, the Draft, etc.
I'll be seeing this on Tuesday, it looks promising. Hardy and Theron are both god-tier actors. Ensler wouldn't be my first pick as a consultant but I'm sure her input was valuable and I'd think anyone who finds it controversial was probably looking for controversy.
I'll be seeing this on Tuesday, it looks promising. Hardy and Theron are both god-tier actors. Ensler wouldn't be my first pick as a consultant but I'm sure her input was valuable and I'd think anyone who finds it controversial was probably looking for controversy.
JimmyRustler
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No problem per se. But you are intervening in an established franchise so naturally not everybody would be happy about that. Like I said, just like if you had a new Alien film where Ripley suddenly isn't leading any more. It's ok that there are still some movies for us males only. They don't harm anyone.
That said, I've seen this movie yesterday and the comment from the MRA is idiotic. There is no leadership in this movie. The only thing one could criticize is that it takes quite some time for Max to influence the story (this is a Mad Max movie after all) but that is it. The teamwork between Max and Furiosa is believable and great.
Alex_Mexico
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This only makes me want to watch this movie more.
This week I started catching up with the Mad Max movies. I found MM1 almost unwatchable but MM2 was amazing but still a rather by the numbers action flick. Only MM3 to go and I was on the fence about Fury Road but if the MRA is against it then I know I'll love it.
This week I started catching up with the Mad Max movies. I found MM1 almost unwatchable but MM2 was amazing but still a rather by the numbers action flick. Only MM3 to go and I was on the fence about Fury Road but if the MRA is against it then I know I'll love it.
Nazgul_Hunter
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So they're basically claiming cultural appropriation?
Anton Sugar
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Oh leadbelly, you being here reminds me - I remember in the last thread we both posted in you said you've really listened to Karen Straughan / GWW from AVfM (and then clarified that though you don't ardently support her you still find her ideas interesting)? It's funny, I just read a National Post article about this brouhaha, and then stumbled on her in the comment section bashing Mad Max as "feminist propaganda":
http://news.nationalpost.com/arts/m...propaganda-only-to-bullies#comment-2023689129
Good god, the idea of a female lead in a Mad Max movie is just so threatening to these MRA groups. It's amazing. (It's even more hilarious when I see the 99% Rotten Tomato rating after 166 reviews.)
Holy shit, she has gone off the deep end.
Tye The Czar
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Oh leadbelly, you being here reminds me - I remember in the last thread we both posted in you said you've really listened to Karen Straughan / GWW from AVfM (and then clarified that though you don't ardently support her you still find her ideas interesting)? It's funny, I just read a National Post article about this brouhaha, and then stumbled on her in the comment section bashing Mad Max as "feminist propaganda":
http://news.nationalpost.com/arts/m...propaganda-only-to-bullies#comment-2023689129
Good god, the idea of a female lead in a Mad Max movie is just so threatening to these MRA groups. It's amazing. (It's even more hilarious when I see the 99% Rotten Tomato rating after 166 reviews.)
Well, first of all, it has been established that this is literally a feminist movie right?
One poster in this thread stated this:
I have a similar stance to this. Initially it seemed absolutely ridiculous that this group of people were actively campaigning for a boycott just because the lead woman in the movie is portrayed as a strong independent woman. There is nothing wrong with that. However, even though I personally don't agree with the boycott, it at least makes some sense in relation to their own views.
Lets just get one thing straight though, Return of Kings are NOT MRAs. Their views run counter Men's Rights Activists. This is something that has for some reason got completely ignored, perhaps because it doesn't fit people's narrative of what an MRA is. That isn't to say MRAs aren't a divisive group, as I have mentioned myself, I think they are, but it is important to recognise what they are and what they aren't.
In terms of Karen Straughan, you can find certain ideas interesting while disagreeing with other views right? It's funny because this is partly what that post was trying to convey to people.
As I stated in that post:
Now of course it doesn't mean anything a serial killer says I am automatically going to agree with, or that because I mentioned a serial killer had a valid point, I am somehow associated with the serial killer, right? You're just totally missing the point of my post by even bringing this up.
That said, in terms of what Karen Straughan has written. She is an anti-feminist, and this movie is -- as we now know -- a feminist movie. And while I may not necessarily agree with everything she wrote, it is in keeping with the MRA angle in that she is criticising the portrayal of men in the movie. The criticism seems to centre around the film's disregard of men's struggles, while championing women.
However, I don't know if it is fair criticism or not in that respect.
I'm still not seeing the issue here.
He is not saying that is an issue, what he is saying is he understands now why they picked that movie over others. It at least makes sense in relation to their views.
BronsonLee
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Lol, noap
What does 'noap' mean?
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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Nothing is more reaffirming of a man's manness than whining that MEAN OLD GIRL STYLE MY THING.
NEOPARADIGM
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George Miller and Eve Ensler have both proclaimed it such. You disagree with them or something?
The Return of Kings writer literally said that he had misgivings about the film just from seeing the strong lead woman get a lot of time in the trailer:
"If you were like me, the explosions, fire tornadoes, even the symphonic score surrounding “Fury Road’s” first trailer made your attendance a foregone conclusion. It looked like a straight-up guy flick. No fucking around. Perhaps even a little, hidden acknowledgement from the director that when the shit hits the fan, it will be men like Jack Donovan Mad Max who will be in charge.
But then my spidey senses started noticing a couple things.
Charlize Theron kept showing up a lot in the trailers, while Tom Hardy (Mad Max) seemed to have cameo appearances. Charlize Theron sure talked a lot during the trailers, while I don’t think I’ve heard one line from Tom Hardy. And finally, Charlize Theron’s character barked orders to Mad Max.
Nobody barks orders to Mad Max."
"MRAs" does tend to be used interchangeably with "The Manosphere" (consisting of sites and groups like Return of Kings, pick up artists, men's rights activists, MGTOW (men going their own way), etc) by those who aren't familiar with the distinctions between the groups. Despite the former not literally identifying as MRAs, there is quite a large amount of overlap between the philosophy of RoK and that of MRAs - largely the idea that society is shaped by "female hypergamy." If you don't like "MRAs" being used in this thread then I guess you could substitute that with "Manospherians" (though prominent MRAs also seem to be in agreement with RoK over Mad Max).
I didn't say that you're associated with Karen Straughan - I said that you've really listened to her and found her ideas interesting (which is also what you said). When I saw her comment in the National Post (while also having this thread open in another tab) I was reminded of it. However, I certainly do think that her ideas in general stem from a highly skewed worldview that is tainted by her own distaste for women (herself excepted). It's the kind of worldview that could prompt someone to say that "Mad Max was a film by men for men" but now feminists have their "grubby hands" all over it and have "taken it away" somehow from men, and in the process reduced Max from an "alpha/gamma" to nothing more than a "glorified hand bag" who is "barked at" by the female co-lead (echoing the RoK writer's thoughts), who unrealistically kicks ass instead of "telling a grown-up on people."
Anton Sugar
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I think it's interesting that it's being stamped as a "feminist" movie, as if that means it has some agenda its pushing.
I agree with calling it a feminist movie, but that doesn't mean there is some kind of agenda being pushed. It's a feminist movie because it treats its women as human beings. They're never sexualized. Their primary concern isn't related to men, other than the danger their presence has brought them throughout their lives. Their entire goal is simply to not be regarded as objects/commodities--they want autonomy.
Even though some of the women in the movie are terrified of men, the movie smartly doesn't treat MEN as "the enemy". Immortan Joe is a great bad guy, because it's clear that he is the one responsible for the systems in place at the Citadel. The War Boys are "bad guys" but they wisely show, through Nux, that they are this way because they have been told it's the only way to live, not simply because they're men.
How was her post trying to convey that? She starts by positing that it's unrealistic for Furiosa to "kick ass" the way she does (huuuuuge wtf at "she should tell on them" as a more realistic alternative, although that could be her attempt at snarky wit), then detours for a brief moment to question Eve Ensler's cred, then creates this offensive and ridiculous "Mad Max is and always has been for men" narrative and builds her argument on that.
That could very well be true. Return of Kings are not for equality in any way shape or form. They actively promote inequality. I imagine it doesn't really matter what the film is really.
That may be true also, but the philosophy does differ in some key areas. MRAs are actually for a form of equality, they just don't believe feminism works for the interests of men, and in some cases it is actively harmful for men.
You're speaking in absolute terms here. An argument can be flawed, but within that argument you can find an element of truth, The argument I was really making is that I think it is healthy to have a contrary opinion in such matters like gender politics and social norms in general. This is how we come to a better understanding about ourselves. Feminism, like other areas, should not be walled off from criticism. It needs to be continuously tested in a free and open marketplace of ideas to prove its own legitimacy.
I am also of the opinion that what we really need to be striving for is a movement that focuses on the equality of everyone rather than certain groups. A group that's philosophy is based on reason and enlightenment rather than a highly political ideology. It should follow what is true, rather than what fits the ideological narrative. I think both men's rights activism and feminism need to die, because they are both divisive in some way and counterproductive to true solidarity.
The more I see people quoting this site, the more I want to scream "fake geek boys" to them because ... they SERIOUSLY need to rewatch mad max
Yeah. I completely misread parts of it. I only really browsed over it. As I stated in my post though, it has absolutely no relevance to my original point. The intention of my post was to explain this. I just commented on it regardless, as it was pushed in my face.
I took what she said about Ensler as something that happens in the movie. Reading it properly I see it was actually something about Ensler's personal life.
That said, I don't really know exactly what point she is making. She seems to be criticising the fact that they have took a male oriented franchise and pushed a feminist narrative into the face of men for propaganda purposes. She also states that there is nothing wrong with making a feminist movie, just that she doesn't like the way they have pushed it in this particular franchise.
I don't care to be honest what she thinks about this.
BronsonLee
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I'd avoid the OT/Review thread if I were you, but I'd highly recommend watching it in a theater. Go in blind. It's insanity.
Arjen
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It's amazing, if you like action movies you'll love it.
And please, go see it in a theatre. Absolutely worth every penny.
A lot of these MRAs are reminding me of my favorite tweet ever about feminism and Anita Sarkeesian.
https://twitter.com/yezzer/status/508013445506424832
https://twitter.com/yezzer/status/508013445506424832
PairOfFilthySocks
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I saw this film last night.
The mra chaps are sperging out over fuck-all. The feminist undertones to the film are not nearly as blatant as you'd think, considering the bleating of these dudes. Max is also the leading man through-and-through, he does some spectacular shit in this film. I'm guessing the mra groups saw trailers of an action heroine and Max tied to the front of a car and assumed he was going to be a damsel in his own friggin' film or something. The film's also not the guurl power flick some of these tumblr-friendly reviews are trying to present it as. There's quite a bit more to the film than that. Both vocal groups in this argument are very annoying and can't seem to perceive the film beyond what they want to see.
The mra chaps are sperging out over fuck-all. The feminist undertones to the film are not nearly as blatant as you'd think, considering the bleating of these dudes. Max is also the leading man through-and-through, he does some spectacular shit in this film. I'm guessing the mra groups saw trailers of an action heroine and Max tied to the front of a car and assumed he was going to be a damsel in his own friggin' film or something. The film's also not the guurl power flick some of these tumblr-friendly reviews are trying to present it as. There's quite a bit more to the film than that. Both vocal groups in this argument are very annoying and can't seem to perceive the film beyond what they want to see.
I'll see if the GF wants to see it.
Still, I don't mind seeing it once it's outta theatres, got my own theatre at home.
RustyNails
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After seeing Mad Max, Furiosa was the best part of the whole movie.
These MRA neanderthals would fit perfectly inside Immortan Joe's warboy army.
These MRA neanderthals would fit perfectly inside Immortan Joe's warboy army.
Kai Dracon
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After seeing the movie, I think parts of it may piss off MRA types because the social commentary using the warboys hits way close to home.
Why does everything ever made now have to be some secretive propaganda piece?
Can't it just be... I don't know, an enjoyable movie?
When people talk about the SJW and PC culture in America right now, this is exactly what we're talking about. Someone is always looking to be offended for something, real or imagined.
Can't it just be... I don't know, an enjoyable movie?
When people talk about the SJW and PC culture in America right now, this is exactly what we're talking about. Someone is always looking to be offended for something, real or imagined.
civilstrife
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The irony behind this post...is too high.
You are aware that the group that is currently offended is literally the same group that invented the anti-"sjw"/PC nonsense to begin with?
Really stupid. Organizations that boycott films or pieces of art, because they exist outside their own established world view are stupid.
Art doesn't exist to reassure and confirm your own biases. Boycotting movies because they approach a topic in a certain way or utilize certain story elements is stupid. Watch the film if you want.
We don't need puritans and political groups to decide what people can or cannot watch.
Art doesn't exist to reassure and confirm your own biases. Boycotting movies because they approach a topic in a certain way or utilize certain story elements is stupid. Watch the film if you want.
We don't need puritans and political groups to decide what people can or cannot watch.
But that's the thing these days. Everything has to have an agenda on the internet. Remember on forums and blogs everyone is super ingrained on a "side". So they see their side in everything. The problem with Max is that the trailers didn't do their job. Most people don't give a damn about any feminist overtones but most people who have heard of the name Mad Max probably had no idea what those trailers meant. Which is why it didn't open at number one.
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