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[Nosgotham]

Everyone associates bloodborne as a spiritual sequel to the souls series. Therefore it has s folloeing of the fan base of those previous titles. It's success is built upon the previous ganes, not completely on its own merits as a new ip. I find it difficult to compare a "new up" like bloodborne to a nes ip like splatoon.

 

[NEO0MJ]

Bloodborne is not a new IP. Splatoon is a spinoff of Denny's Restaurants so I don't see what that's a new IP. Knack is Crash Bandicoot 4. Sunset Overdrive doesn't count because it bombed, that's a fact so don't even argue.

If only Knack was as good as Crash 4.

Did you play it? They share similar mechanics but the same can be said with a lot of different games. It's not dark souls and you can't play it like dark souls. I hope dark souls 3 plays faster just because of how different they play. The art style is much better in bloodbourne I feel and it's no surprise dark souls 3 looks to take inspiration from it. It's easy to say they are just the same if you haven't played both. When are we expecting a bloodbourne dlc announcement? TGS?

I finished it twice, like all past Souls games. Actually I finished most three times. I feel like they could have taken it further, firearms especially.

 

[TheSpoiler]

Everyone associates bloodborne as a spiritual sequel to the souls series. Therefore it has s folloeing of the fan base of those previous titles. It's success is built upon the previous ganes, not completely on its own merits as a new ip. I find it difficult to compare a "new up" like bloodborne to a nes ip like splatoon.

That still doesn't negate what a new IP means.

But keep moving that goalpost.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

Unbelievable.

Bloodborne IS new IP. It's not subjective.

We need to stop, they won't understand that there is a genre called "Soulslike" and Bloodborne is a game with that genre.

Every new Racer , FPS or RTS are sequels and not new IPs, amirite?

 

[truth411]

Bloodborne is not a new IP. Splatoon is a spinoff of Denny's Restaurants so I don't see what that's a new IP. Knack is Crash Bandicoot 4. Sunset Overdrive doesn't count because it bombed, that's a fact so don't even argue.

Lol.

 

[Kayant]

Bloodborne is only a new IP because of the name. Anyone who has played and enjoyed a Dark Souls game likely paid to play Bloodborne as well, so you can't really consider it a new IP sales-wise IMO.

Wtf kind of reasoing is this? It's not a new IP because of how much it sold. Crazy there is still these crazy ideas on what an IP is.

Spoiler

Bloodborne is a new IP by definition subjective opinions doesn't change that

 

[Magic Mushroom]

Everyone associates bloodborne as a spiritual sequel to the souls series. Therefore it has s folloeing of the fan base of those previous titles. It's success is built upon the previous ganes, not completely on its own merits as a new ip. I find it difficult to compare a "new up" like bloodborne to a nes ip like splatoon.

It would have done well without the Souls series, especially with the rave reviews it got. And Demon's Souls did well on word of mouth alone.

 

[The Artisan]

What's "part of the same series" here? Can you say it more clearly?

i mean that demon souls can be considered the first in the "souls" series.

Everyone associates bloodborne as a spiritual sequel to the souls series. Therefore it has s folloeing of the fan base of those previous titles. It's success is built upon the previous ganes, not completely on its own merits as a new ip. I find it difficult to compare a "new up" like bloodborne to a nes ip like splatoon.

not true. like I said on the previous page, dark souls is a spiritual successor to demon souls, but, bloodborne is not. at most we can refer to it as a related game or a companion title but it isn't a part of the souls series.

 

[Melchiah]

This doesn't really happen in Souls, either, because you're allocating stats and you know what weapons will work and which won't (you won't go upgrading a strength sword while specced into dexterity, obviously). Sure, eventually, the game will open up with a lot more possibilities for builds/weapon choices or you might find a different moveset that you prefer, but I don't really see a scenario where limited options in this regard are better unless the game is so overstuffed with useless garbage that it becomes impossible to sift through it (which, to some degree, did happen in DS2 before some patches).

You won't get to the "hard to find" upgrade components until much, much later in the games as well, so you'll have many hours to find a good weapon before potentially wasting time and resources. (Also, boss weapons are/were one of the best design choices/rewards in Souls, and its a real shame they were gone from BB. They were neat from a lore and use perspective.)

Well, the smaller amount of weapons never bothered me, as I enjoyed using the Cane and stuck with it. The others weapons I tried just didn't feel as good for my playing style. Although, Ludwig and Tonitrus were useful in certain boss fights.

The idea of getting weapons from bosses sounds good, but it's also rewarding to get them for exploring. I don't see much of a difference in there. You do get certain key items and gems for beating the BB bosses though.

The one thing I find lacking, is that there's no information provided about the enemies you've encountered, like there's about the items. I also would like to see stats about how many enemies of each type I've beaten and so on.

 

[Averon]

Why are some so insistent that B doesn't count as a new IP? There's nothing subjective about BB status as a new IP.

It is really strange people are trying to redefine what "intellectual property" mean when it comes to BB.

 

[Thyralax]

Why are some so insistent that B doesn't count as a new IP? There's nothing subjective about BB status as a new IP.

It is really strange people are trying to redefine what "intellectual property" mean when it comes to BB.

Probably because Nintendo and Microsoft are actually trying to create new games and they arent doing well commercially, but Sony can throw a new skin on Dark Souls and call it a new IP.

 

[Magic Mushroom]

Probably because Nintendo and Microsoft are actually trying to create new games and they arent doing well commercially, but Sony can throw a new skin on Dark Souls and call it a new IP.

WTF?

 

[Averon]

Probably because Nintendo and Microsoft are actually trying to create new games and they arent doing well commercially, but Sony can throw a new skin on Dark Souls and call it a new IP.

I mean. If you think BB is a DS reskin, that's fine. But it still doesn't mean it ain't a new IP.

 

[sauerkraut]

I didn't read the thread, just the op message. I agree. Genuine new games are far and away. The companies play it safe and have just been rebundling old games. There hasn't been a breakthrough game since Mario party in my eyes. All they're feeding us are third party adventure games, or first person shooters. I will exclude pc and mobile games from my post. Having a fun time playing the room on my iPad.

 

[Magic Mushroom]

I mean. If you think BB is a DS reskin, that's fine. But it still doesn't mean it ain't a new IP.

BB isn't even close to a DS reskin, but apart from that, he acts like MS and Nintendo release lots of new IP and Sony doesn't, but aren't The Order, Driveclub, Until Dawn, Horizon and Dreams new IP?

 

[Melchiah]

Probably because Nintendo and Microsoft are actually trying to create new games and they arent doing well commercially, but Sony can throw a new skin on Dark Souls and call it a new IP.

It doesn't look like that, when you look at next month's releases.

 

[David___]

BB isn't even close to a DS reskin, but apart from that, he acts like MS and Nintendo release lots of new IP and Sony doesn't, but aren't The Order, Driveclub, Horizon and Dreams new IP?

The Order is a re skinned Uncharted. DC is a re skinned Grand Turismo. Horizon is a re skinned Dragons Dogma. Dreams is a re skinned content creator.

Spoiler

/s

 

[Kenzodielocke]

Stop, he's already dead.

 

[Birgitte2004]

It doesn't do enough to differentiate itself from the Souls games, though. One of my friends who was burned out with Souls couldn't get into it because of how similar they are.

And Sunset Overdrive is a re-skinned open world Ratchet and Clank game. Note: This is not a knock, I love R&C.

 

[Melchiah]

I didn't read the thread, just the op message. I agree. Genuine new games are far and away. The companies play it safe and have just been rebundling old games. There hasn't been a breakthrough game since Mario party in my eyes. All they're feeding us are third party adventure games, or first person shooters. I will exclude pc and mobile games from my post. Having a fun time playing the room on my iPad.

I guess you mean 3rd person adventures? The PS1/2 gens had countless of them as well, and I don't see it as a bad thing. Many of them have different gameplay mechanics and themes, and they're the kind of games I like to play the most. The abundance of shooters and action games last gen was tiresome though.

 

[sauerkraut]

I guess you mean 3rd person adventures? The PS1/2 gens had countless of them as well, and I don't see it as a bad thing. Many of them have different gameplay mechanics and themes, and they're the kind of games I like to play the most. The abundance of shooters and action games last gen was tiresome though.

Third person/third party. Seems like they go together so well that it slipped my mind.

 

[Patapwn]

Stop, he's already dead.

Death is jus a reskinned not living

 

[Averon]

BB isn't even close to a DS reskin, but apart from that, he acts like MS and Nintendo release lots of new IP and Sony doesn't, but aren't The Order, Driveclub, Until Dawn, Horizon and Dreams new IP?

Well, yeah. I wasn't really agreeing with. My point was even if I conceded to him that BB was a reskinned DS, it really doesn't matter in regards to whether BB is a new IP or not.