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[Borys]

I love XBL as much as the next guy, but jesus christ, an incredible revolution? Did people not play PC games prior to Xbox Live? XBL still hasn't even come close to matching PC online gaming in the most important aspect; the ****ing online play. Yes, it is a great service, especially on 360, but yet they still haven't managed to tackle the most important part of the whole experience, that is, making the actual lag and gameplay as seemless as PC gaming. Even if everyone has broadband, putting the hosting load on the client is so ****ing rediculous, and it's insulting that they make you pay for that "priviledge."

Xbox Live :: PC online
Halo :: PC FPSes

Millions and millions of people NEVER experienced a PC FPS before playing Halo. Same goes for playing online on the PC.

So in a weird, twisted way Microsoft INVENTED online gaming and FPS games. On the consoles.

 

[Nithr]

Xbox Live :: PC online
Halo :: PC FPSes

Millions and millions of people NEVER experienced a PC FPS before playing Halo. Same goes for playing online on the PC.

So in a weird, twisted way Microsoft INVENTED online gaming and FPS games. On the consoles.

Both FPS and online was on consoles before MS entered the game so no MS did not invent it just because some 14 year old kids had never played it prior to the Xbox.

 

[DCharlie]

OS with GUI from Apple

... VMS was surely where this came from, not Apple? Mainframes and stuff... we had "windows " before Apple ... those thieving gypsy b@stards!!

 

[winter]

I love XBL as much as the next guy, but jesus christ, an incredible revolution? Did people not play PC games prior to Xbox Live? XBL still hasn't even come close to matching PC online gaming in the most important aspect; the ****ing online play. Yes, it is a great service, especially on 360, but yet they still haven't managed to tackle the most important part of the whole experience, that is, making the actual lag and gameplay as seemless as PC gaming. Even if everyone has broadband, putting the hosting load on the client is so ****ing rediculous, and it's insulting that they make you pay for that "priviledge."

Not to mention that practically none of the game have the features they are supposed to.

GRAW which is #1 online game right now doesn't even have clan support

 

[PhatSaqs]

Hilarious thread title :lol

 

[meltpotato]

Dude, hold on tight cause I'm gonna blow your mind!

- Mazda stole ideas from Ford!
- Airbus stole ideas from Boeing!
- Those Nike bastards stole ideas from Adidas!
- etc.

Mazda is now part of Ford and Nike, originally an importer, actually developed out of Ascics (SP?) resulting in some bad-blood. but i get your point.

if we didn't have people playing off eachothers ideas and competing, OS X and Windows would likely be a lot more clunky. We all benefit.

I don't really see the MS comments as "cry me a river" shit so much as confidence that they still have the most gamer-oriented live experience and a bit of a jab at Sony for not quite getting what live gaming is about nor really bringings somethign new to the table. and "Free" really isnt something being brought tot he table until we know exactly what Sony Live or whatever they called it is.

 

[JB1981]

But Major Nelson said it wasn't going to be free.

:lol :lol :lol :lol

 

[8bit]

... VMS was surely where this came from, not Apple? Mainframes and stuff... we had "windows " before Apple ... those thieving gypsy b@stards!!

VMS probably means something quite different to this audience. However, I think it was the Alto that first reaped the benefits of the GUI.

 

[Flo_Evans]

THEY TOOK OUR JERBS!

I am wondering if Nintendo and sonys plan to keep online free and easy is tied to thier 'always on' BS.... IE idle PS3s and Wiis will act as hosts for random people.

/puts away tinfoil hat

 

[Borys]

Both FPS and online was on consoles before MS entered the game so no MS did not invent it just because some 14 year old kids had never played it prior to the Xbox.

But Speevy says otherwise.

 

[cvxfreak]

Dear God, one would hope it's plagarism. Because if PS3 online and WiiConnect24 don't approach the incredible revolution that is XBL 360, they gonna lose one huge bulletpoint. Microsoft did it right and did it raw; I hope Sony took as many notes as humanly fu[expletive deleted]cking possible.

Microsoft should be proud. Rise that flag, MS.

Alt: It's FREEEEEE

Truth.

 

[MrToughPants]

Nozi
ignore this post --->
(Today, 01:57 PM)

Sure thing!

"This message is hidden because Nozi is on your ignore list. "

 

[Nithr]

But Speevy says otherwise.

As I said, just because some 14 year old kids etc etc.

 

[BlueTsunami]

But Speevy says otherwise.

But Speevy works for Microsoft

*cough*what*cough*

*runs away

 

[cheekymunky]

If Sony doesnt have online Microsoft claims to the heavens that PS3 is useless because it doesnt have online.
If Sony does have online Microsoft claims that Sony stole it.


I am so f**ing tired of hearing this crap. Its a marketing trap and all you people who believe it are idiots.

 

[DCharlie]

But Major Nelson said it wasn't going to be free.

thank god sony totally cleared up all the ambiguity around the service or this argument could go on all week, huh?

 

[Borys]

As I said, just because some 14 year old kids etc etc.

Actually he is 20 or 23 years old but I get your point!

 

[Nozi]

"This message is hidden because Nozi is on your ignore list. "

You have me on ignore, yet wander into my threads and make comments like this. It's hardly ignoring me, is it? it's borderline stalking.

 

[imastalker co.]

I love XBL as much as the next guy, but jesus christ, an incredible revolution? Did people not play PC games prior to Xbox Live? XBL still hasn't even come close to matching PC online gaming in the most important aspect; the ****ing online play. Yes, it is a great service, especially on 360, but yet they still haven't managed to tackle the most important part of the whole experience, that is, making the actual lag and gameplay as seemless as PC gaming. Even if everyone has broadband, putting the hosting load on the client is so ****ing rediculous, and it's insulting that they make you pay for that "priviledge."

wait, so even on 360, even though it's pretty feature packed, it's still essentially just a super matching service?

$50 for a matching service in 2006 is revolutionary?

So in a weird, twisted way Microsoft INVENTED online gaming and FPS games. On the consoles.

i was playing online console games on Dreamcast, and even GameCube before live even hit.

granted, it's somewhat robust, but still been around for a while.

 

[Arsenal]

Good point
Does anyone know how much songs will cost on SingStar?

Probably pretty cheap.

But they will only play on Sony music players :lol

 

[SolidSnakex]

thank god sony totally cleared up all the ambiguity around the service or this argument could go on all week, huh?

They cleare dit up when they responded to the claim and once again said, its free. I know its hard for some to understand this because they're currently paying 50 dollars to play games online.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

VMS probably means something quite different to this audience. However, I think it was the Alto that first reaped the benefits of the GUI.

Xerox PARC invented the modern GUI, and gave Apple access to it.

 

[DCharlie]

They cleare dit up when they responded to the claim and once again said, its free. I know its hard for some to understand this because they're currently paying 50 dollars to play games online.

It's a sony - until i have it infront of me running free, i'm holding fire either way. *shrug*

the last wording i saw was along the lines "Basic services free" so i may have missed something.

 

[meltpotato]

im starting to wonder if 70% of the people posting even read the article. the alarmist title really doesnt give much insight into what was said. MS is not whining about SOny ripping them off. They are simply saying that SOny is pretty much copying them, as is to be expected, but don't seem to have created something that will truly rival live, from what we have seen so far. reality says hi!

 

[Nithr]

Probably pretty cheap.

But they will only play on Sony music players :lol

What? Damn here I was hoping I would be able to play SingStar on my iPod.

 

[timmy]

The people who think PS3 online will be a free Live-style service are the same suckers who thought the system would launch in Spring of '06.

 

[Amir0x]

I love XBL as much as the next guy, but jesus christ, an incredible revolution? Did people not play PC games prior to Xbox Live? XBL still hasn't even come close to matching PC online gaming in the most important aspect; the ****ing online play. Yes, it is a great service, especially on 360, but yet they still haven't managed to tackle the most important part of the whole experience, that is, making the actual lag and gameplay as seemless as PC gaming. Even if everyone has broadband, putting the hosting load on the client is so ****ing rediculous, and it's insulting that they make you pay for that "priviledge."

Console gaming is independent of PCs. The total and absolute integration of the online experience with the console gaming experience IS an incredible revolution - there's zero point in denying it or arguing it. There's nothing that remotely compares in the console space previous or current, and it changes ****ing everything. It's not merely matchmaking. It's leaderboards, it's the extensive XBL arcade options, it's the demo downloads, it's how XBL took people to E3, it's how no matter what you're doing on the system it is always 100% integrated into the online experience (whether that means getting a msg from a friend or being invited to a game). It is so close to perfect, and it is worth paying for.

It IS the true first revolution of next-gen consoles, and Nintendo and Sony should be ****ing envious.

 

[SolidSnakex]

It's a sony - until i have it infront of me running free, i'm holding fire either way. *shrug*

the last wording i saw was along the lines "Basic services free" so i may have missed something.

When asked to confirm whether playing games online via the PlayStation 3 would be free of charge, it was stated, plain and simply, "Please note that online gaming will be free right out of the box". There ya go.

http://www.gaming-age.com/news/2006/5/17-51

There's not many other ways to say its free. They've said it several times already.

 

[MrToughPants]

Xbox Live :: PC online
Halo :: PC FPSes

Millions and millions of people NEVER experienced a PC FPS before playing Halo. Same goes for playing online on the PC.

So in a weird, twisted way Microsoft INVENTED online gaming and FPS games. On the consoles.

Until Halo 2 was released SOCOM 2 was bitch slapping Xbox live in time played. SOCOM is an FPS/TPS franchise so people had already experienced shooters on consoles.

In a weird way Sony INVENTED online gaming and FPS games on console.

:lol

In yet another battle of the summer statistics... Sony today announced that SOCOM II for the PlayStation 2 logs more online player hours than all of the Xbox Live games combined.
They are seeing a huge uptake in the amount of gamers that are playing online since early May, either due to school being out or the popularity of the game, or a ilttle of both.

Since May 1st 2004 SOCOM II has averaged 373,000 player hours per day. By itself, SOCOM II! is logging more player hours daily than ALL Xbox titles worldwide.
The total numbers of player hours for SOCOM II is fast approaching 94 million hours, or the equivalent of 10,835 YEARS of straight gameplay.
Even nine months after launch, SOCOM II is still seeing more than 30,000 simultaneous users per day, far and away more than any other console title. That is like logging on and playing SOCOM II with the entire graduate and undergraduate student population of the University of Southern California!
On any average day, there are more than 103,000 unique SOCOM II accounts logging-in, which is equivalent to the entire capacity of the University of Michigan Stadium, one of the largest sporting venues in the United States. This many people are playing SOCOM II everyday!!

http://www.gaming-age.com/news/2004/7/30-59

 

[Nithr]

Console gaming is independent of PCs. The total and absolute integration of the online experience with the console gaming experience IS an incredible revolution - there's zero point in denying it or arguing it. There's nothing that remotely compares in the console space previous or current, and it changes ****ing everything.

It IS the true first revolution of next-gen consoles, and Nintendo and Sony should be ****ing envious.

Why should Nintendo and Sony be envious because MS made a far from perfect service on consoles and wasn't even the first to do so?

 

[Amir0x]

Why should Nintendo and Sony be envious because MS made a far from perfect service on consoles and wasn't even the first to do so?

Because XBL 360 is the greatest online service for consoles ever made, and offers an unprecedented level of integration with your console gaming experience? Because XBL 360 is so feature packed that any thing that doesn't approximate the service at this point is a mere shadow by comparrison?

But besides that, yeah, they shouldn't be envious.

 

[Sysgen]

Why should Nintendo and Sony be envious because MS made a far from perfect service on consoles and wasn't even the first to do so?

Joke post?

Seriously, it's the whole package. Look at it from that perspective.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

Until Halo 2 was released SOCOM 2 was bitch slapping Xbox live in time played. SOCOM is an FPS/TPS franchise so people had already experienced shooters on consoles.

So you're saying that SOCOM 2 was being played more than all of the other games on Live combined? I find that very hard to beleve. Perhaps there were more people playing SOCOM than any game on Live, but there were a lot more games available with online play on the Xbox, spreading out the userbase much more.

Edit: Hmm..stand corrected. Still seems odd. I guess the Live user base didn't blow up until Halo 2 after all.

 

[MrToughPants]

So you're saying that SOCOM 2 was being played more than all of the other games on Live combined? I find that very hard to beleve. Perhaps there were more people playing SOCOM than any game on Live, but there were a lot more games available with online play on the Xbox, spreading out the userbase much more.

Check my edit

SOCOM series > Xbox Live - Halo 2

user base helps alot here

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

Check my edit

Got it!

 

[Arsenal]

http://www.gaming-age.com/news/2006/5/17-51

There's not many other ways to say its free. They've said it several times already.

XBL is free right out of the box too. I use it all the time and have never paid a dime. Now if you want to use the Gold services... thats a different story.

There are lots of ways to say its FREE, but they are usually highly subjective.

 

[Nithr]

Because XBL 360 is the greatest online service for consoles ever made, and offers an unprecedented level of integration with your console gaming experience? Because XBL 360 is so feature packed that any thing that doesn't approximate the thing at this point is a mere shadow by comparrison?

But besides that, yeah, they shouldn't be envious.

Doesn't something have to be great before being the greatest?

Oh right didn't you just come off 56k?

"man it's like I'm playing with someone real that is miles away... wooah"

I'm sure Live is great for you then.

Joke post?

Seriously, it's the whole package. Look at it from that perspective.

Sure I'll do that if you look at the whole package you get with PS3 and then tell me it's expensive. :lol

All i want is to play games online, which doesn't work that great on Live. The rest I couldn't care less about.

 

[Amir0x]

Doesn't something have to be great before being the greatest?

Oh right didn't you just come off 56k?

"man it's like I'm playing with someone real that is miles away... wooah"

I'm sure Live is great for you then.

uh, I had broadband before for a good while. You think a two year gap is gonna make me forget what that was like? I play on my friends XBL 360 all the time, though, which is where my experience with the premium service comes from. It changes EVERYTHING.

But yeah, I'm going to guess you're just a joke account so taking you too seriously is probably a mistake.

 

[meltpotato]

MS didnt invent online gaming either on console or in general. They may not have even had a very quick start with Live. They did, however, popularize the practice and evolve it into an integral portion of console gaming, just like it has been with PC gaming for years. Furthermore, live has done more than anyone else last gen to grow online gaming. Some of these arguments are absolutely ridiculous.

 

[SolidSnakex]

XBL is free right out of the box too. I use it all the time and have never paid a dime. Now if you want to use the Gold services... thats a different story.

There are lots of ways to say its FREE, but they are usually highly subjective.

You've got to be kidding me. Online GAMING is not free right out the box with XBL, you have to pay to play games on it.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

Nithr: What kinds of problems do you have playing on Live? I've used it on Xbox and 360 and I rarely have any lag issues or drop-outs. Perhaps your ISP sucks.

 

[DSN2K]

thats funny coming from Microsoft an all! :lol

 

[8bit]

Xerox PARC invented the modern GUI, and gave Apple access to it.

The Alto was a Xerox Parc device, not Apple.

 

[cheekymunky]

Console gaming is independent of PCs. The total and absolute integration of the online experience with the console gaming experience IS an incredible revolution - there's zero point in denying it or arguing it. There's nothing that remotely compares in the console space previous or current, and it changes ****ing everything. It's not merely matchmaking. It's leaderboards, it's the extensive XBL arcade options, it's the demo downloads, it's how XBL took people to E3, it's how no matter what you're doing on the system it is always 100% integrated into the online experience (whether that means getting a msg from a friend or being invited to a game). It is so close to perfect, and it is worth paying for.

It IS the true first revolution of next-gen consoles, and Nintendo and Sony should be ****ing envious.

You are absolutely correct. What MS did with Live is a revolution on console gaming. The things that MS have done with Live should (and IS) the envy of Sony and Nintendo (and many other companies who would like to get content fed directly into a box under the TV). But for MS to claim that Sony is copying them is a blatant form of BS....MS perfected it, they did not invent it. The other FUD MS is pushing is that they are the only ones who can do it right and that there is no way it can be free. I am not saying that Sony is going to make a LIVE killer...but it is possible.....LIVE not withough its imperfections. What Nintendo is doing with WFC is proof that other companies can offer similar services that can offer online gaming, and community....for Free.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

The Alto was a Xerox Parc device, not Apple.

I knew it wasn't an Apple device, but didn't realize it was the name of PARC's pet project. What I meant was that Apple got invited over to see what they were doing, and made notes. Then took it back with them to copy, including the mouse. But like I said, the modern GUI was invented by Xerox PARC.

 

[meltpotato]

You've got to be kidding me. Online GAMING is not free right out the box with XBL, you have to pay to play games on it.

I realize exactly what the Sony comment is saying and that it does differ from XBL Silver, but i think the issue that a lot of people have right now that Sony has a growing history of no delivering on promises. I am not saying that i do or don't believe Sony online will be free, but i really don't think there is room for comparison, especially with Sony, without product in hand and all features in operation.

 

[Nithr]

Nithr: What kinds of problems do you have playing on Live? I've used it on Xbox and 360 and I rarely have any lag issues or drop-outs. Perhaps your ISP sucks.

When I had Live for Xbox it worked well maybe half of the time. And from what I'm hearing 360 Live isn't all that better.

PC gaming online works great so I doubt it's my ISP.

 

[PjotrStroganov]

XBL is free right out of the box too. I use it all the time and have never paid a dime. Now if you want to use the Gold services... thats a different story.

There are lots of ways to say its FREE, but they are usually highly subjective.

Please, don't.

Online gaming is giong to be free on the PS3. The quality of it has yet to be seen(however, we got confirmation of an amount of options), but the gaming part is what it is all about.

 

[Amir0x]

You are absolutely correct. What MS did with Live is a revolution on console gaming. The things that MS have done with Live should (and IS) the envy of Sony and Nintendo (and many other companies who would like to get content fed directly into a box under the TV). But for MS to claim that Sony is copying them is a blatant form of BS....MS perfected it, they did not invent it. The other FUD MS is pushing is that they are the only ones who can do it right and that there is no way it can be free. I am not saying that Sony is going to make a LIVE killer...but it is possible.....LIVE not withough its imperfections. What Nintendo is doing with WFC is proof that other companies can offer similar services that can offer online gaming, and community....for Free.

oh i'm not claiming that their claim of plagiarism is right... I just think that if Sony's service IS close to plagiarism, then it could be considered nothing be a compliment. Especially since it's free.

 

[BlueTsunami]

XBL is free right out of the box too. I use it all the time and have never paid a dime. Now if you want to use the Gold services... thats a different story.

There are lots of ways to say its FREE, but they are usually highly subjective.

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