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MS gets another dumb idea "degrade 360 games'

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Barnolde

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http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3161942

The requirement is primarily linked to hard drive limitations. "It's the consequence of having a limited size hard drive, with a lot of other things to fill it out," he says. Companies are allowed to expand the required size, but the game should always run on the original requirement -- users have to approve the change. If the requirement goes up, Microsoft is playing with the idea of allowing the ability to degrade -- those are Microsoft's words -- the experience. Their ideas, straight from their presentation:

Lo-res models/textures
Place certain areas off-limits
Stream assests from server (slower loading)
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*shakes head*
 
Couldn't this just be like how it was for pcs and.. n64s? Core users get the inferior stuff while the rest get the better.
 
The streaming areas from server bit is the one that is the least expected and most troubling IMO

edit: is this for MMOs only? bah, nothing new
 
wait so basically

if you dont have a hard drive youll get a retarded version that will run retarded and look retarded?


but if you have a hard drive you wont?


about damn time, imo.
 
How is this bad? If you want to give up 10GB of HDD space, you get the optimal performance, if you want to give up 5GB, you get less so, if you don't own an HDD, you can go to hell.

Options are a good thing.

BTW, there's already a thread on this, with a much less flame-inspiring title.
 
The core was just a terrible idea and they really should stop making it. HDD's are dirt cheap, especially 20 gig HDD's. One analyst suggested that MS only pays 5 dollars per 20 gig HDD purchased from their Manufacturer. Thats a joke they don't just include it with all systems. The problem is they are greedy and want to charge 100 for the HDD, So in order for their 100 dollar 20 gig HDD price tag to make sense, they have a 100 dollar price difference between the core/premium.
 
xbox360-core-boxed.jpg
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I hate you core 360.I wish you were never born.:(
You're the
retarded
red-headed step child of the Xbox360 famly.

I hate u.:(
 
I hope
/predict
by 2008, they just ditch the tard pack all together. It's beyond stupid for everyone, plus they have 2 HDDs on the market already with tons of 20GBs filling up second hand spaces.
 
How does this have anything to do with the Core?

n an unsurprising move (and already a precedent set by Final Fantasy XI, but ignored since), Microsoft confirmed at its Gamefest 2007 that studios working on server-based titles for Xbox 360 are allowed to require the hard drive for their games to run. Games allowed to participate in server-based's "bent rules" is decided on a case-by-case basis.

Microsoft will be asking developers to come up with a set amount of hard drive space to set aside for each game. For example, if World of Warcraft came to Xbox 360, Blizzard would have to tell Microsoft "the game's going to need 4GB of space," even if the game won't necessary install 4GB of content at the start.

"We can't guess how much space you're going to need for your updates, and, if anything's going to keep you from expanding indefinitely, it won't be us, as much as market forces," said Ian Lewis, software design engineer at Microsoft. "Feel free to require 30GB for your game; that's just going to make your potential audience a lot smaller."
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This makes a lot of sense, and the lower res texture / assets ideas only apply to MMOs in order for the customer to be able to fit as many MMOs as he can on his hard drive, this has nothing to do with regular games.
 
One analyst suggested that MS only pays 5 dollars per 20 gig HDD purchased from their Manufacturer.
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Thread already out of hand.

If anyone actually owns a CORE, why would you be expecting to play a MMORPG anyway? I thought the argument was that CORE users aren't interested in LIVE and HD gaming?

Micromegas said:
I love getting punished for poor design decisions. THANKS MICROSOFT!
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Textbook example, do you own a Core? Why?
 
Speevy said:
Um...yeah, a music collection, a handful of demos, boom, it's full.
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I'm talking about the developers. Not to mention that this only degrades the experience to people with less memory space.

Barnolde said:
C'mon, that's a logical decision.
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Isn't that what they are saying?
 
f the requirement goes up, Microsoft is playing with the idea of allowing the ability to degrade -- those are Microsoft's words -- the experience. Their ideas, straight from their presentation
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Before thread goes out of hand, just to remind that it is not finalized yet. In the end they can go with not allowing to increase size later on for the said game.

But I agree that Core should never see the light of the day.

And lots of people still play WoW with low res texture. Game will sell if it is a good one.
 
Sho_Nuff82 said:
How is this bad? If you want to give up 10GB of HDD space, you get the optimal performance, if you want to give up 5GB, you get less so, if you don't own an HDD, you can go to hell.

Options are a good thing.

BTW, there's already a thread on this, with a much less flame-inspiring title.
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It just could be such a GIANT mess. With that said, I don't really care cause I'm smart enough not to buy a core.
 
Shamrock said:
The core was just a terrible idea and they really should stop making it. HDD's are dirt cheap, especially 20 gig HDD's. One analyst suggested that MS only pays 5 dollars per 20 gig HDD purchased from their Manufacturer. Thats a joke they don't just include it with all systems. The problem is they are greedy and want to charge 100 for the HDD, So in order for their 100 dollar 20 gig HDD price tag to make sense, they have a 100 dollar price difference between the core/premium.
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Wrong. The top 3 most expensive parts are (in order): the GPU, the CPU and then the hard drive. They can reduce the cost of the GPU and CPU, but the hard drive cost is pretty much fixed and won't go much lower.

Here's an old article I dug up, but there are others that say the same thing:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20051123214405.html

If the hard drive currently costs around 10% of the total cost to manufacture, let's say that's 10% of $300, so $30. Let's say later on they've reduced the cost to manufacture the GPU and CPU using 65nm, the hard drive may become the most expensive part.

In order to get below the magic $200 price tag as quickly as possible they needed the Core. It's still a good idea to have the Core version. In fact its genius.

As long as it doesn't effect most of us, who cares? The games still look great. Bioshock didn't need a hard drive. Mass Effect doesn't. And games still use the hard drive if it's there to speed up loading and cache resources (such as Oblivion).
 
Sho_Nuff82 said:
How is this bad? If you want to give up 10GB of HDD space, you get the optimal performance, if you want to give up 5GB, you get less so, if you don't own an HDD, you can go to hell.

Options are a good thing.

BTW, there's already a thread on this, with a much less flame-inspiring title.
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Except not. The whole point of consoles is that there's a single experience.

This just costs developers money for MS's shortsightedness. The tech reworking may be relatively minor, depending on the project, but it's going to require more testing, etc.

I mean, it has to happen because it's out there, and it's not like MS is going to mail a free HDD to every Core user. It's just bad that it came to this over a marketing point.
 
PleoMax said:
Some of you guys should learn how to read, including the OP. Wtf does the core have to do with this?
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The OP from all accounts seems to be on an anti-360 crusade and has been for weeks. I don't know how he gets away with it. He obviously is torn between liking the system for the games it offers and hating it for pretty much everything else. I think he thinks that if he posts constantly about all the things he doesn't like about the 360 (Core System, X-Clamps, you name it...) it will somehow enlighten others and make a difference. In reality it just makes him look like a damn troll.
 
Tieno said:
It's just such a GIANT mess. With that said, I don't really care cause I'm smart enough not to buy a core.
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What's the mess?

I'm still straining to understand why anyone would find this news SHOCKING, when,

- The PS2 required an HDD for FFXI
- The 360 required an HDD for FFXI (back in 2005) and a few football manager games
- MMORPGs haven't really become widespread on consoles because of the HDD requirements
- The Core is virtually useless if you're an avid Xbox LIVE gamer

This is a good thing for devs and gamers. Saying all games must be playable on the Core = bad thing. How is that so hard to understand?

Ravidrath said:
Except not. The whole point of consoles is that there's a single experience.

This just costs developers money for MS's shortsightedness. The tech reworking may be relatively minor, depending on the project, but it's going to require more testing, etc.

I mean, it has to happen because it's out there, and it's not like MS is going to mail a free HDD to every Core user. It's just bad that it came to this over a marketing point.
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The PS3 has allowed partial installs on games since day one to reduce load times.

No developer in their right mind would develop a MMORPG game with the Core in mind. No sane Core user would expect a MMORPG. This is a non-issue. We've known that MS would allow HDD-only games since the release of FFXI.
 
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