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[SmokedMeat]

It's just an inferior console with no redeeming qualities. A console with objectively worse hardware, a not particularly strong bench of exclusives, and that has no other major selling point. I don't think we've ever seen this before, have we? At least not since Sega was around, the Saturn and Dreamcast arguably both qualify. What we're seeing is the answer to the question of "what happens when you release a console that is a straight downgrade to its nearest competitor?" and the answer is that it just doesn't sell that well and that there's probably nothing marketing can do about it.

A year ago this description fit the Wii U very well, and went along nicely with the negative impressions a lot of GAF had of the system. Obviously impressions have turned around, and all it took was games.

It will be the same for X1.

 

[akaFullmetal]

Only double would fall around 150k for xbox one, which isn't enough to outbeat sony, since they have been at least above 200k. Based on all their previous months npds.

 

[Asd202]

The UK had a similar worse deal.

Xbox One with Kinect & Titanfall was £349.
Xbox One - £349

Console was £429 to begin with but you can imagine it doesn't send a good message to consumers. Wouldn't be surprised if it was £299 by November.

Yeah dropping the price AGAIN soon is the way to go.

 

[CREMSteve]

You have to think the Canadian dollar is helping Microsoft. Sony has raised the price of their console in Canada to 450, but the XB1 is 399 and is now the cheaper alternative.

 

[truth411]

That's how I am reading it.

June 9th till mid of July = 2x May

Wow, I didn't think of that, but I have to say while M.S. is known for its spin P.R. If this is the case then it truly is the motherload of P.R.
So I'd doubt it.

 

[BruiserBear]

It's just an inferior console with no redeeming qualities. A console with objectively worse hardware, a not particularly strong bench of exclusives, and that has no other major selling point. I don't think we've ever seen this before, have we? At least not since Sega was around, the Saturn and Dreamcast arguably both qualify. What we're seeing is the answer to the question of "what happens when you release a console that is a straight downgrade to its nearest competitor?" and the answer is that it just doesn't sell that well and that there's probably nothing marketing can do about it.

This discussion of hardware is so misguided. As if Joe gamer is fully aware that Assassin's Creed was 900p on XB1 because that resolution is so pitiful it hurts people's eyes.

The biggest difference from the start was an unjustified $100 price difference. Second would be the DRM negativity, which got some mainstream media attention last year. Then you could bring in the hardware difference, but I think that accounts for a very small piece of the negatives pie.

But when you throw all of that together you end up with a lot of the hardcore choosing the PS4 day one, and then friends begin to follow.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

A year ago this description fit the Wii U very well

It really didn't.

The WiiU never had the "basically all the same games as its direct competitor but worse performing and a token few exclusives" problem.

It had the "Its not getting any of the games its competitors are, and can only rely on exclusives" problem.

Thats almost the exact opposite of the situation the Xbone is in.

 

[EGM1966]

well yeah. the big mystery is going to be finding out why the monthly sales are so low. unlike the ps4, the xbox one has had a lot more energy put towards it with more marketing and just effort to make people aware of it. it doesn't seem like a whole lot has helped so far.

I think it's pretty obvious that general market perception for a while has been:

• XB1 - weaker, more expensive, bad policies (doesn't matter they're gone the market perception lingers on) and anti-consumer aspects (Kinect always on, spying, etc. - again long gone but doesn't matter the market perception lingers on) and (perhaps most damning) worse versions of games
  
• PS4 - cheaper, more powerful, great policies, free games, pro consumer and better versions of games

I believe that price and better version of big third party franchises outweighs exclusives for the average consumer - i.e. the 70 million or so who buy a 360 but don't buy Halo or the similar 70 million or so who buy PS3 but don't buy GT - so for me it's pretty clear that after the initial launch high (when XB1 probably saw two million sales from people who'd have bought it no matter what and PS4 probably saw the same thing) the sales for PS4 would be way stronger vs XB1 when more average consumer starts to pick up the slack from the initial launch peak.

At this point I don't see XB1 WW getting near PS4 and in US/UK it desperately needs more games that are almost at parity, more exclusives (because they do help of course) and a better price point. The issue is clearing a poor market perception takes ages vs how quickly you can foul up market perception and of course the longer time goes on with PS4 selling more the higher the mountain MS has to climb with the XB1.

I reckon XB1 sales will be acceptable LTD but at this point I can easily see it selling less WW than 360 and only drawing or taking a narrow lead in US (best case) and coming close second in UK (best case) unless MS manage a drastic shift in market perception of their console.

Hence despite all MS current efforts I don't expect any big swings anytime soon from an average weekly sales perspective. Of course 360 did sell better in US holiday period and PS3 sold bit better (ratio wise) during rest of year so it may be if MS can continue to work at easing the negative aspects of market perception they could see a decent holiday 2014 in US and build on that further in 2015.

The Halo collection will help I think and TBH if I was them I'd throw money at getting a great Gears collection out too - they need to try and lure as much of the 10 million or so Halo base and 5 million or so Gears base to XB1 as possible (there will likely be a lot of overlap between the two of course). Reviving old popular franchises is also key and E3 showed they understand that.

But right now despite the strong launch I see XB1 struggling due to poor market perception of the console vs the great market perception of PS4. I guess people can argue the toss on whether either is deserved but it doesn't really mater - if you want to sell a lot of a consumer device like a console you have to have good market perception for your product and MS frankly just doesn't have that right now.

Being blunt and crude they shit the bed with the reveal and are still dealing with the market reaction to the stink (again they still had a great launch because the small hardcore didn't care).

 

[mrklaw]

I think it's pretty obvious that general market perception for a while has been:

stuff

good post. I think it is a case of the 'yeah but' syndrome.

Assuming their super bad reveal stuck last year (and I think that is a reasonable assumption), then the corrective actions can still result in a 'yeah but' response, even now.

- remove DRM: Yeah but its still more expensive, who says they won't bring it back later

- remove dependency on kinect: Yeah but I'm still paying for it

- remove kinect and lower entry price for kinectless: Yeah but it is still weaker for the same price as PS4 and now it doesn't even have a unique feature


I'm not sure what they can do at this point other than simply go for price as a proper differentiator - i.e something like a minimum $50 lower entry price Vs PS4. So $349 for kinectless, $449 for kinect. Although if they do that this fall, it may not have a huge impact, and may have the negative knock on of painting XB1 as constantly having reactive price cuts and people will simply sit it out until it hits rock bottom

 

[KingSnake]

I think the biggest issue that Xbone has for the future is that it won't be able to compete for "I choose this console because I want to play multiplayer games with my friends" that X360 so much benefited of. PS4 having such a jump start will win that battle.

And price cuts don't help with that.

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

You have to think the Canadian dollar is helping Microsoft. Sony has raised the price of their console in Canada to 450, but the XB1 is 399 and is now the cheaper alternative.

I think many people wrongly assumed that the average consumer only cared about price, and once that was at parity the sales would split even. Turns out PS4 is just a more attractive console, mostly because that is where games look and run the best and average consumers know this.

 

[Talax]

Is this "more than doubling" for NA only or worldwide?

 

[stryke]

Is this "more than doubling" for NA only or worldwide?

It tells you in the OP.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

Is this "more than doubling" for NA only or worldwide?

Is there a meaningful difference?

 

[timlot]

It's just an inferior console with no redeeming qualities. A console with objectively worse hardware, a not particularly strong bench of exclusives, and that has no other major selling point. I don't think we've ever seen this before, have we? At least not since Sega was around, the Saturn and Dreamcast arguably both qualify. What we're seeing is the answer to the question of "what happens when you release a console that is a straight downgrade to its nearest competitor?" and the answer is that it just doesn't sell that well and that there's probably nothing marketing can do about it.

As I walk into my livingroom with drink in one hand plate of pizza in the other, "xbox on" it turns on my tv, cable box, av reciever. It recognizes who I am with Hi (my name) and proceeds to show my home screen and the pins I'm interested in. One of my pins was season 2 episode 7 of Orange is the new black on netflix and I would like to continue watching that. "xbox pins, orange is the new black". Boom. This inferior console thing needs to stop.

 

[DryvBy]

I think many people wrongly assumed that the average consumer only cared about price, and once that was at parity the sales would split even. Turns out PS4 is just a more attractive console, mostly because that is where games look and run the best and average consumers know this.

That, and because a lot of people's friends jumped to the PS4 at launch.

 

[Vyse The Legend]

As I walk into my livingroom with drink in one hand plate of pizza in the other, "xbox on" it turns on my tv, cable box, av reciever. It recognizes who I am with Hi (my name) and proceeds to show my home screen and the pins I'm interested in. One of my pins was season 2 episode 7 of Orange is the new black on netflix and I would like to continue watching that. "xbox pins, orange is the new black". Boom. This inferior console thing needs to stop.

While I think the inferior console thing is silly, everything you mentioned is functionality that not everyone can use. The Kinect isn't packed in anymore, and not everyone has a cable subscription nor wants their video system reliant on the One.

 

[driver116]

As I walk into my livingroom with drink in one hand plate of pizza in the other, "xbox on" it turns on my tv, cable box, av reciever. It recognizes who I am with Hi (my name) and proceeds to show my home screen and the pins I'm interested in. One of my pins was season 2 episode 7 of Orange is the new black on netflix and I would like to continue watching that. "xbox pins, orange is the new black". Boom. This inferior console thing needs to stop.

I think he means more in terms of a games console in a games market.

 

[panda-zebra]

As I walk into my livingroom with drink in one hand plate of pizza in the other, "xbox on" it turns on my tv, cable box, av reciever. It recognizes who I am with Hi (my name) and proceeds to show my home screen and the pins I'm interested in. One of my pins was season 2 episode 7 of Orange is the new black on netflix and I would like to continue watching that. "xbox pins, orange is the new black". Boom. This inferior console thing needs to stop.

Console gamers play games on consoles. Not everyone wants to or even can take advantage of this Tomorrow's World livingroom automation... some crazy kids are apparently still quite happy using ye olde fashioned buttons. This superior functionality thing needs to be put into context.

 

[GreyOcelot]

While I think the inferior console thing is silly, everything you mentioned is functionality that not everyone can use. The Kinect isn't packed in anymore, and not everyone has a cable subscription nor wants their video system reliant on the One.

nor does everyone consider media features to be all that important on a game console. i'm not a big fan of voice commands. i have a roku, i have a chromecast, these features (apps, universal search, etc) would be nice to have on ps4 for convenience purposes, but they are like #89 on the priority list in choosing a game console

 

[Stripper13]

As I walk into my livingroom with drink in one hand plate of pizza in the other, "xbox on" it turns on my tv, cable box, av reciever. It recognizes who I am with Hi (my name) and proceeds to show my home screen and the pins I'm interested in. One of my pins was season 2 episode 7 of Orange is the new black on netflix and I would like to continue watching that. "xbox pins, orange is the new black". Boom. This inferior console thing needs to stop.

As an Australian - I am unable to do that.

In fact, in my limited time with an XB1 (I borrowed a friends for a while when he was away) the Kinect voice commands barely worked at all (25% of the time at most) - and often required me to say the exact name of a game/video, which took far more effort than it should. In addition, App/content wise for Australia - there is fuck all to see or do.

Granted that was early April, I have no idea if the monthly updates have added or improved this drastically. However my first impression was awful. Next to my PS4 the XBL store and general UI was confusing to navigate and slower in general. I assume this is easier with Kinect, but again - it barely worked.

My point is that this 'inferior' console thing is a very real concern for at least a few people (I'm guessing there are heaps, heaps more). Between the lack of content and functionality for people outside of the US, Kinect being at least a little tedious and the weaker hardware - the console has yet to prove itself up against the PS4.

 

[ymmv]

The UK had a similar worse deal.

Xbox One with Kinect & Titanfall was £349.
Xbox One - £349

Console was £429 to begin with but you can imagine it doesn't send a good message to consumers. Wouldn't be surprised if it was £299 by November.

In Germany the Titanfall bundle was even cheaper:

That's about £316 and still it didn't sell.

If that didn't help, I don't see how a barebones Xbox One without will move consoles. I agree that it needs a price cut - but it needs to go below €349 / €399 to spur sales beyond the current level.

 

[Delusibeta]

As I walk into my livingroom with drink in one hand plate of pizza in the other, "xbox on" it turns on my tv, cable box, av reciever. It recognizes who I am with Hi (my name) and proceeds to show my home screen and the pins I'm interested in. One of my pins was season 2 episode 7 of Orange is the new black on netflix and I would like to continue watching that. "xbox pins, orange is the new black". Boom. This inferior console thing needs to stop.

As a video games console, the Xbone is objectively inferior than the PS4. As a media player, why would you spend $400 when you can get a Roku for a quarter of that?

 

[Talax]

It tells you in the OP.

Sorry must have missed that.


It's not all bad then I guess, but I was thinking a 100 dollar price might be able to make a bigger bump than that.

 

[ethomaz]

As I walk into my livingroom with drink in one hand plate of pizza in the other, "xbox on" it turns on my tv, cable box, av reciever. It recognizes who I am with Hi (my name) and proceeds to show my home screen and the pins I'm interested in. One of my pins was season 2 episode 7 of Orange is the new black on netflix and I would like to continue watching that. "xbox pins, orange is the new black". Boom. This inferior console thing needs to stop.

You are in a gamer forum... this is useless for most of gamers... it is inferior where it matter.

BTW my TV can do what you described even so I don't use it.

 

[shandy706]

As a video games console, the Xbone is objectively inferior ...

You are in a gamer forum... this is useless for most of gamers... it is inferior where it matter.

Then why are some putting the emphasis on Hardware and not games?

Any console purchase is legitimate and worthwhile depending on the buyers personal interests.

I'm not going to completely skip the PS4 because my GTX 780 destroys it. I'm not going to skip the X1 because of the PS4's hardware. I'm not going to completely skip the Wii U because all 3 of the above outpace it quite handily (hardware wise).

Where it matters is the games and the interest of those that are gravitated towards them. I'll admit, the Wii U is very much becoming attractive. I will own one by the time Zelda releases...because GAMES not hardware.

As a sim racing fan....I can say the Wii U and PS4 have been completely inferior "where it matters". The PC and X1 are literally the only available upgrade to "next/current-gen" choice for the past year in that genre.

However, things change. With the release of PCars one could make that decision across the board.

Hardware is related to gaming. If you don't have hardware, you don't have games.

I...uh....ok. I'd say that's true of anything ever...that requires something to exist. lol

 

[timlot]

As an Australian - I am unable to do that.

My point is that this 'inferior' console thing is a very real concern for at least a few people (I'm guessing there are heaps, heaps more). Between the lack of content and functionality for people outside of the US, Kinect being at least a little tedious and the weaker hardware - the console has yet to prove itself up against the PS4.

Strangely I find most of the "concern" coming from folks who don't own one.

 

[DryvBy]

Then why are some putting the emphasis on Hardware and not games?

Any console purchase is legitimate and worthwhile depending on the buyers personal interests.

I'm not going to completely skip the PS4 because my GTX 780 destroys it. I'm not going to skip the X1 because of the PS4's hardware. I'm not going to completely skip the Wii U because all 3 of the above outpace it quite handily.

Where it matters is the games and the interest of those that are gravitated towards them.

As a sim racing fan....I can say the Wii U and PS4 have been completely inferior "where it matters". The PC and X1 are literally the only available upgrade to "next/current-gen" choice for the past year in that genre.

However, things change. With the release of PCars one could make that decision across the board.

Hardware is related to gaming. If you don't have hardware, you don't have games.

 

[Hoo-doo]

Strangely I find most of the "concern" coming from folk don't own one.

That's kind of a given, isn't it? People interested in the most bang for their buck in terms of hardware are obviously not springing for a Xbox One that easily.

If all you're looking for is a voice activated Netflix experience, then the Xbox One has no equal. Not many people on NeoGAF see that as a high priority though, and seemingly the market doesn't either.

 

[Riky]

People mostly buy consoles because they have games they want to play, the Wii U hasn't been selling better because the hardware got better but because of Mario Kart 8. With stuff like Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break and the new Halo games I think it will sell, Titanfall is still selling in the UK just fine.

 

[ethomaz]

Then why are some putting the emphasis on Hardware and not games?

Any console purchase is legitimate and worthwhile depending on the buyers personal interests.

I'm not going to completely skip the PS4 because my GTX 780 destroys it. I'm not going to skip the X1 because of the PS4's hardware. I'm not going to completely skip the Wii U because all 3 of the above outpace it quite handily.

Where it matters is the games and the interest of those that are gravitated towards them.

As a sim racing fan....I can say the Wii U and PS4 have been completely inferior "where it matters". The PC and X1 are literally the only available upgrade to "next/current-gen" choice for the past year in that genre.

However, things change. With the release of PCars one could make that decision across the board.

Your personal interest didn't change it is inferior for games... it is physical and can't be changed... the hardware is inferior.

Said that I don't disagree with anybody that have a XB1... it is his choice and I'm happy with that... I think XB1 is a cool console but this don't change it is inferior.

Same for your GTX 680... nothing will change that it is superior to PS4 and XB1 even if you can't talk with your GTX 680 lol

XB1 will never be superior where matter to PS4.

 

[icespide]

This discussion of hardware is so misguided. As if Joe gamer is fully aware that Assassin's Creed was 900p on XB1 because that resolution is so pitiful it hurts people's eyes.

The biggest difference from the start was an unjustified $100 price difference. Second would be the DRM negativity, which got some mainstream media attention last year. Then you could bring in the hardware difference, but I think that accounts for a very small piece of the negatives pie.

But when you throw all of that together you end up with a lot of the hardcore choosing the PS4 day one, and then friends begin to follow.

I think there's enough word of mouth out there now that Joe gamer definitely knows that the Xbox One is the weaker console. sure he may not know anything about resolution or even really care on the face of it, and if he looked at them side by side he may not even notice. however, the narrative is definitely out there and it affects people's purchase decision

 

[spekkeh]

Damn, sucks that Xbone did so well. That means MS is able to fend off losing to the Wii U in their biggest market for at least a few more months.

 

[Hyunashi]

Strangely I find most of the "concern" coming from folks who don't own one.

Isnt that logical though? A majority of the people concerned will not buy for whatever reasons. There may also be people on the border of concern and satisfaction but choose not to voice any concerns perhaps to justify their purchase (kinda like me with the PS4 when I learnt The Order was being delayed, but once E3 cam I was satisfied again).

 

[shandy706]

Your personal interest didn't change it is inferior for games... it is physical and can't be changed... the hardware is inferior.

Said that I don't disagree with anybody that have a XB1... it is his choice and I'm happy with that... I think XB1 is a cool console but this don't change it is inferior.

Same for your GTX 680... nothing will change that it is superior to PS4 and XB1 even if you can't talk with your GTX 680 lol

Hey now, it's a 780...the 680 is "inferior".

I'm not sure you understand the connotations "inferior" carries with it. Or maybe you are using it on purpose?

Yes the 780 is more capable hardware, yes the PS4 is more capable hardware, yes the X1 is more capable hardware compared to other things.

Inferior = second-class, lower in status, or quality. It's typically used to say something is worthless or of unworthy status based on class.

XB1 will never be superior where matter to PS4.

So the only thing that matters to you is Hardware?

If Polyphony Digital fell out with Sony, went Microsoft exclusive, and GT 8 came out on the Xbox One....you wouldn't buy one due to the PS4 having better hardware. Because, that's "all that matter".


Sorry, but if my favorite series comes out on a system...or goes somewhere else...I'm following the games. Obviously you have a different way of doing things. Which is fine.

 

[Goldmund]

This discussion of hardware is so misguided. As if Joe gamer is fully aware that Assassin's Creed was 900p on XB1 because that resolution is so pitiful it hurts people's eyes.

The biggest difference from the start was an unjustified $100 price difference. Second would be the DRM negativity, which got some mainstream media attention last year. Then you could bring in the hardware difference, but I think that accounts for a very small piece of the negatives pie.

But when you throw all of that together you end up with a lot of the hardcore choosing the PS4 day one, and then friends begin to follow.

This is exactly what Joe Gamer knows. It might only represent a vague "that's bad" in his mind and he wouldn't be able to elaborate on what 900p actually means on a technical level and why he thinks it's "bad", but he'll use and accept it as an argument. I've heard the so called Joe Gamers argue many times; they don't need to understand why they're standing on the front line and who they're fighting for and against, they've been given a gun and ammunition so they'll start shooting.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

As I walk into my livingroom with drink in one hand plate of pizza in the other, "xbox on" it turns on my tv, cable box, av reciever. It recognizes who I am with Hi (my name) and proceeds to show my home screen and the pins I'm interested in. One of my pins was season 2 episode 7 of Orange is the new black on netflix and I would like to continue watching that. "xbox pins, orange is the new black". Boom. This inferior console thing needs to stop.

and then you play some videogames, right?

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

It's just an inferior console with no redeeming qualities. A console with objectively worse hardware, a not particularly strong bench of exclusives, and that has no other major selling point. I don't think we've ever seen this before, have we? At least not since Sega was around, the Saturn and Dreamcast arguably both qualify. What we're seeing is the answer to the question of "what happens when you release a console that is a straight downgrade to its nearest competitor?" and the answer is that it just doesn't sell that well and that there's probably nothing marketing can do about it.

Uh, maybe the Saturn if you're strictly talking NA/PAL, but Dreamcast? Come on man, that system had one of the best exclusive lineups for any system's first year ever.

I'd also hold off on saying XBO lacks any redeeming exclusives. Sunset Overdrive and Cuphead (PC, yes, but console-exclusive) would already be redeeming enough for me to pick up a system if we're being honest, they look like worthy additions to any system's library.

You have to think the Canadian dollar is helping Microsoft. Sony has raised the price of their console in Canada to 450, but the XB1 is 399 and is now the cheaper alternative.

Apparently it isn't helping much at all. Canada is counted w/ NPD and the actual # is still a pretty mediocre 150k or so.

 

[ethomaz]

Hey now, it's a 780...the 680 is "inferior".

I'm not sure you understand the connotations "inferior" carries with it. Or maybe you are using it on purpose?

Yes the 780 is more capable hardware, yes the PS4 is more capable hardware, yes the X1 is more capable hardware compared to other things.

Inferior = second-class, lower in status, or quality. It's typically used to say something is worthless or of unworthy status based on class.

I'm not native English.

Inferior (it is the same word in Portuguese) means the same than "iPhone 5C is inferior to iPhone 5S" or "GTX 770 is inferior to GTX 780".

It is fine to have choices and choose the inferior GTX 770 or iPhone 5C... I do that, a lot of consumers do that and all of us are happy but that didn't change you choose to buy a inferior hardware due personal preferences and it is fine and won't make the owner looks bad or unhappy (the opposite... people can love inferior hardware).

The only point I criticized MS was that in most of the cases the inferior hardware is cheaper and that was a bad MS decision that affected their sales... that don't make XB1 a bad product or anything else just show MS made a bad market decision.

Now they are working to fix that but in my personal view the Kinectless SKU needs to be cheaper than PS4 to be competitive... official price at $350 for example... the Kinect SKU can be $400.

Edit - About GT part... I didn't say I won't be happy with a XB1 because if I made my choice is based in my personal preference and I will a happy user of a inferior machine if I choose it.

But I'm a one machine user... so I will stay with PS4 this gen and move next gen to XB if GT franchise shift side (I will play GT XB1 after all even without own the console... I played all Halo and Gears on 360 and I didn't have one).

 

[timlot]

and then you play some videogames, right?

Sure, I mean "It just does everything" |

 

[miDnIghtEr20C]

As I walk into my livingroom with drink in one hand plate of pizza in the other, "xbox on" it turns on my tv, cable box, av reciever. It recognizes who I am with Hi (my name) and proceeds to show my home screen and the pins I'm interested in. One of my pins was season 2 episode 7 of Orange is the new black on netflix and I would like to continue watching that. "xbox pins, orange is the new black". Boom. This inferior console thing needs to stop.

I wouldn't even bother. Some people seem to be on a mission to really trash the Xbox One and never give it a chance. I understand preferring one console over the other. Never understood the holding onto grudges forever even if there's no intention on buying a console a person doesn't want.

 

[SuperSonic1305]

You have to think the Canadian dollar is helping Microsoft. Sony has raised the price of their console in Canada to 450, but the XB1 is 399 and is now the cheaper alternative.

Xbox One isn't even in the top 100 on Amazon Canada. Even Vita TV is higher.

 

[shandy706]

I'm not native English.

Yeah, I think my understanding of the language makes your posts look worse than they are meant to be.

Xbox One isn't even in the top 100 on Amazon Canada. Even Vita TV is higher.

This reminds me I needt a Vita TV.

 

[DudeWithNoName]

It'll be interesting for sure to see the holiday numbers this fall/winter as the Xbox gets some games under its belt.

 

[Xando]

In Germany the Titanfall bundle was even cheaper:

That's about £316 and still it didn't sell.

If that didn't help, I don't see how a barebones Xbox One without will move consoles. I agree that it needs a price cut - but it needs to go below €349 / €399 to spur sales beyond the current level.

In my local expert they already dropped the price to 359€ for the Titanfall bundle, i guess if they dont start to sell soon you could see a 299€ bundle at christmas/ early next year atleast in europe.

 

[miDnIghtEr20C]

I think there's enough word of mouth out there now that Joe gamer definitely knows that the Xbox One is the weaker console. sure he may not know anything about resolution or even really care on the face of it, and if he looked at them side by side he may not even notice. however, the narrative is definitely out there and it affects people's purchase decision

Wasn't the Wii the weakest of consoles last gen? Didn't stop people from buying them and enjoying those games. I know I bought one. Had great fun with it.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

As I walk into my livingroom with drink in one hand plate of pizza in the other, "xbox on" it turns on my tv, cable box, av reciever. It recognizes who I am with Hi (my name) and proceeds to show my home screen and the pins I'm interested in. One of my pins was season 2 episode 7 of Orange is the new black on netflix and I would like to continue watching that. "xbox pins, orange is the new black". Boom. This inferior console thing needs to stop.

That's neat and all, but it has absolutely zero to do with, well, playing video games. Which is the real reason people buy video game consoles. And when it comes to games, the PS4 has the better hardware, plain and simple.

You should know by now what people are referring to when they say "inferior system" and it's not Netflix and not even the game library (hopefully). It's the system hardware, and they're not wrong in that sense.

 

[Percy]

Sure, I mean "It just does everything" |

Well, except 1080p most of the time

I wouldn't even bother. Some people seem to be on a mission to really trash the Xbox One and never give it a chance. I understand preferring one console over the other. Never understood the holding onto grudges forever even if there's no intention on buying a console a person doesn't want.

After some of the posts you've made in recent times about what "The Sony fan said last gen" I think you understand just fine.

In fact, weren't you banned for one of those very posts in last month's NPD threads?

 

[mcrommert]

Wow this thread has gone down hill over night...i don't see these console warriors in very many threads but when one of these threads go downhill they come out of the woodwork

 

[icespide]

Wasn't the Wii the weakest of consoles last gen? Didn't stop people from buying them and enjoying those games. I know I bought one. Had great fun with it.

The Wii was completely different from the other consoles to the point where its hardware weaknesses were irrelevant, and also had very compelling software (Wii Sports) that tapped into an entirely new market. It was also significantly cheaper than the other consoles. Not really an apt comparison.