Is that why the PS2 had no games?
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MS: Xbox One June 2014 sales more than double May 2014's sales
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Is that why the PS2 had no games?
AstroNut325
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I've always wanted the multimedia capabilities of the Xbone but I'm not paying more than $199 for it. I want the Xbone without the gaming capabilities.
BananaSprinkles
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What do you think Sunset Overdrive or the Halo remastered collection can do that Titanfall, the biggest game of the generation, couldn't?
Don't really get the comparison in terms of talking about gaps if you aren't going to factor in the Xbox 360's first year (2005-2006).
I agree that XB1 has a superior UI, apps, and the way they have everything blended together. But those things don't sell consoles. People buy consoles to play games. Everything else is just extra.
AmuroChan
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I'm sure there were. Plenty of uninformed consumers out there.
Tribalism is part of it. Belonging to a group and trash talking other groups is a big part of human nature. The other part is the network effect, the more people in your network the easier it is to find people to play with so there is a practical incentive for pushing people the same way you are going.
Beyond "grudges" there is also the notion you punish anti consumer behavior and many feel MS has not learned their lesson. MS recinded all the offending policies but have kept the PR line that they know better than you and they never made any mistakes at all, people just didn't give them a chance. That is a really dumb PR tactic which makes them easy to keep hating. In contrast sony was slower to change but they adopted the "we fucked it up, please forgive us! Here are is a regular stream of 'free' games". Even so people still hold a grudge for the ps3 launch and their sin was over pricing and over selling the hardware.
DudeWithNoName
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LOL what? Titanfall is fun and all, but it doesn't have the staying power or replay value of Halo.
Considering Halo is part of a well established IP and the game is coming out at a time in which people buy a lot of games (November), I assume that it should do better than Titanfall.
On top of that, unlike Titanfall, the game won't be as greatly impacted by future entries in its series. I could still see the collection selling to people after Halo 5 releases. Don't get why a new IP (Titanfall) is/was the end all be all.
The Wii comparison draws a certain level of false equivalency in the discussion at hand, yes it was the weakest but it also had a massive differentiator in it being built from the ground up for motion controls and it had enough content not on the big boy consoles in PS360 to be considered an apt "complimentary" console to go alongside with the aforementioned consoles. Same can be said for PS2's game library as well.
PS4 and XBone overlap far too much just like the PS360 and it's nigh on splitting hairs when we talk about Microsoft having 3 exclusive games to Sony having 2 this holiday when 10 guaranteed big sellers in that same period are going to be available on both.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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100% agreed. I knew this gen would see a contraction, and the market is starting to stabilize itself. It just doesn't have the breadth of game content needed to sustain it at 7th-gen numbers, let alone larger, but that's a problem regarding developers in the industry and/or lack of explosive new tech hitting the masses (VR).
3rd parties will just have to adjust to that contraction, but it also means one of the three systems will definitely underperform. Right now it's the Wii U, but it's not looking like XBO will do terribly better this gen. I think come next gen, if the market contracts again to SNES/Genesis size (which would only happen if tech innovation stalled or we end up w/ everything being COD Super Mega Advanced Cubic Desert Blaster 17), that would be a definite worry for bigger publishers and might make MS fold, since they'd have the least to gain from a market that size. That'd probably also lead to the collapse of the AAA market for certain (I...can't say I'd be completely unhappy about that?)
ProfessorMoran
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It's inferior hardware, and inferior multiplatform games, their first party software isn't as strong, just a poor value proposition to begin with, pure and simple. Unless they go $299 (which Sony might be able to do before them), they're not going to drastically change their trajectory.
Zeuanimals
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Regardlesss, it should've sold like crazy and it should've moved consoles like crazy with the amount of marketing MS put behind it and with how much hype that was going for it within that time. Then it would live the rest of its short life shortly, but the sales would've still been done and accounted for. The problem is, it didn't move enough consoles but March NPD for the Xbox One taken on its own and not juxtaposed to any other consoles, the 300k it did would be fine. But the 360 did around 300k on a regular basis without huge system sellers every month and certainly nothing being pushed like Titanfall.
constantstatic
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I disagree with the first party software not being strong I would say xbone has more compelling exclusive games right now such as Titanfall, dead rising 3, ryse, forza, plus this holiday you got sunset overdrive MC collection and forza horizon. I own both by the way
I disagree with the first party software not being strong I would say xbone has more compelling exclusive games right now such as Titanfall, dead rising 3, ryse, forza, plus this holiday you got sunset overdrive MC collection and forza horizon. I own both by the way
of course you do. You aren't allowed to make subjective statements unless you qualify them by saying you own both platforms
I disagree with the first party software not being strong I would say xbone has more compelling exclusive games right now such as Titanfall, dead rising 3, ryse, forza, plus this holiday you got sunset overdrive MC collection and forza horizon. I own both by the way
Dead Rising 3, Titanfall and Forza Horizon 2 aren't exclusive to Xbox One.
constantstatic
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They aren't on playstation I guess I just don't get the hate I'm not really into the console warz brah.
I'm happy with both consoles and I don't think the xbone is selling terribly bad. Competition is good so it's hard for me to understand why people want xbox to fail. Do you really want the old playststion arrogance to come back get a second job $599 sony? I know I don't
sometimes i game
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It's one thing if this was a different generation, but when my Roku, existing consoles, tv, Chromecast, toaster and napkin can play Netflix, Hulu, etc the focus Microsoft put on apps and media isn't as strong imo. Even if you buy a console as a media machine the fact that PS4 can get it done is good enough.
Begaria
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I disagree with the first party software not being strong I would say xbone has more compelling exclusive games right now such as Titanfall, dead rising 3, ryse, forza, plus this holiday you got sunset overdrive MC collection and forza horizon. I own both by the way
Titanfall is on 360 and PC, Forza Horizon 2 is on 360, and Dead Rising 3 is going to be on PC. You specifically used the word "exclusive" in regards to the Xbox One. You were wrong. Those games aren't exclusive to the Xbox One.
DarthWalden
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A multiplayer only brand new IP has a limited appeal... Not to mention the final package was quite barren. I think it sold as well as could be expected TBH.
I don't know why you're directing this particular post my way. You labelled those games as being Xbox One exclusive, I corrected you. Nothing more.
constantstatic
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Your not telling me anything I don't already know lol. I was speaking in regards to not being on playstation. I don't see anyone playing those games on ps4.
And there are more games, that are on PS4 (or coming to the PS4 this year), but aren't (or won't be) on the Xbone. If you like the games on the Xbone more, no problem. It's your opinion
Doesn't mean it's "true" for most people.
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I disagree with the first party software not being strong I would say xbone has more compelling exclusive games right now such as Titanfall, dead rising 3, ryse, forza, plus this holiday you got sunset overdrive MC collection and forza horizon. I own both by the way
Eh, if you're going to do that you have to consider PS4/PC and PS4/PS3/Vita titles when looking at the total "exclusives".
By doing that, I think it's tough to say the X1 has the most compelling "exclusives" going by the amount of quality games (metacritics & impressions from gamers everywhere) in all genres. Of course preference in genres and interests are still big factors.
This again? I really hate when this comes up. Thanks for that post BigDug. I remember I used to copy and paste your old post because it was written so well. It perfectly explained how much value was packed into a launch PS3 and why it stupid to continue saying "competition is good so arrogant Sony doesn't come back etc etc".
As a consumer, I look at how much value I'm getting. I don't care about silly quotes. If they can have the cheapest blu-ray player on the market, free online, built in wifi when the competitor charged $100 bucks for an add-on, have backwards compatibility with the PS1/PS2, DTS, the ability to change your HDD while losing ~$200 on every console sold I'm not going to call them "arrogant".
Can you imagine what kind of hardware we would have gotten if they were "arrogant" when the PS4 launched? Blu-ray is cheap now so they could have went all out on high end hardware. And maybe having all of the VR components bundled with a good price compared to the hardware value.
Kazuma Kiryu
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No wonder hardware makers throw this "exclusive" bullshit around during conferences and press releases.
If it's more than one platform, it's not exclusive, at least use the (silly) term console exclusive.
psn
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And even if they were, they are no system sellers. Average customer cares more about the next calladoodie and other big multiplats. And Titanfall or DR3 should not be considered as a strong lineup imo.
And why is the ms lineup stronger? I dont care about sunset overdrive or the mc collection for example and I relly know no one who is interested in sunset overdrive outside of gaf. Only title I'm interested in is Horizon 2. But with driveclub coming to the ps4 I can't see myself buying an xbox soon. Not for 399.
SEGAvangelist
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You're minimizing the importance of those three titles. While you're technically right about use of the word exclusive, Titanfall's population is mainly playing it on XB1, Forza Horizon 2 for 360 is a port (by a separate development team) lacking major features of the XB1 version, and Dead Rising 3 has been (and currently still is) exclusive since November.
XB1 doing better than PS3 first year, and a little worse than X360 second year (right after Gears release).
6:30pm actually
Ricky Ricardo
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Is the Xbox still doomed guys or are we talking about something else yet?
Yes I do. They gave me a $800 blu-ray player (that is the actual amount it cost Sony to make) for $500 (launch 20GB PS3).
Yes, I want "arrogant" Sony to give me another $800 worth of hardware for $500 that plays 3 generations of games instead of a "barely mid-range PC spec'd game system with no special new media capabilities and no BC...not even PS1 like Vita has".
Hiring Cerny was the best decision for this system, but at $400, the PS4 has less value than my $500 Launch PS3 did.
(I get why they had to change. They're going broke and PS3 cost them lots.)
loaf of bread
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I find it funny how every time the XB1 gets outsold by PS4 people go "it'll be interesting when this happens" and then it gets outsold again and they say "it'll be interesting when this happens" again for a later event.
the thing about exclusives is that they are 100% subjective. certain people will like one platforms exclusives over the other. We're not at a point where we can objectively say one platform has the better exclusives.
the thing that hurts the Xbox One is that the games the mass audience really cares about, the games that sell the most each year, are the multi-platform games, these games perform better on the PS4 and will always perform better. Unfortunately for Microsoft this narrative is already out there, and there's no way to fix it
the thing that hurts the Xbox One is that the games the mass audience really cares about, the games that sell the most each year, are the multi-platform games, these games perform better on the PS4 and will always perform better. Unfortunately for Microsoft this narrative is already out there, and there's no way to fix it
ProfessorMoran
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None of those IPs outside of forza and halo is from ms and they don't own any of the IPs you mentioned outside of forza and halo, how many of those do you think will even remain exclusive?I disagree with the first party software not being strong I would say xbone has more compelling exclusive games right now such as Titanfall, dead rising 3, ryse, forza, plus this holiday you got sunset overdrive MC collection and forza horizon. I own both by the way
Given that you own both, if titanfall 2 comes out on both and there are more players online on ps4, and given the better hardware the game runs smoother and looks better on PS4, wouldn't you buy the PS4 version? Same goes for dead rising which has been multiplatform before.
6:30pm actually
I stand corrected!
Saying "interesting" =/= "I know it will outsell the PS4!"
Heh, what has happened these last two pages? Thread took a pretty big console war turn.
loaf of bread
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I'm not really suggesting that. I just think its funny to see the same thing repeated every time.
You know XB360 outsold the PS3 for 32 months straight before the GTA 5 bundle helped PS3 win a month last year. 2 1/2 years of "winning"! Did that make the PS3 a bad, inferior system?
constantstatic
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I still prefer the xbox controller for shooters and I also have a lot of friends currently on xbox one so it would depend on what the majority of my friends play it on. Plus I have a scuf on Xbone so I prefer it for shooters like COD and Titanfall. I am warming up to the dualshock 4 its such a huge improvement over the ps3 controller. If I cared about the best graphics I would just get the games on pc as I also have a decent gaming RIG.
marjo
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I completely agree with this. The PS3 was a great value when it came out. Additionally, the fact that you didn't have to pay for online multiplayer, meant that over the life of the console, it could actually be considered cheaper then the 360 ( and the PS4).
rokkerkory
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Xbox was doomed since 2001! lol
Kinda, I think they paid attention to the way that people championed the 360 as the machine you get if you're a gamer. The PS3 was often regarded in derisory terms such as "Sony exclusives machine" or "not a console if you're a true gamer". The 360's edge was rather simple: it was easy to make games from and it concentrated on graphical edge (and people DID care about this, a lot) over CPU/media.
Microsoft seem to have forgotten what people really bought into when they went with XB1 by putting a lot of stuff as core system values which the audience didn't really want. They've traded on good will, friends list, XBL and "the controller" for a while, along with their usual trump of a good year of support for new hardware.
The real tell will be in 2015+ when we look at what sort of software they are bringing to the table from their internal studios, and this is beyond servicing the usual titles. The third parties are as fickle as where the marketshare lies and things like Ryse, Titanfall, Dead Rising will stop being so exclusive if their heads are turned to where the money is.
In that respect, the solution is simple. Keep making new fresh games with the internal studios. That worked in building up a portfolio for a hamstrung PS3, along with PSN+ admittedly.
That's a nicer version of "chalkboarding".
Mr Moose
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I disagree with the first party software not being strong I would say xbone has more compelling exclusive games right now such as Titanfall, dead rising 3, ryse, forza, plus this holiday you got sunset overdrive MC collection and forza horizon. I own both by the way
Half of those aren't first party, though.
Edit: Or exclusive.
Bluekaveli
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So the numbers come out today eh?
Welfare
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6:30 PM EST yes.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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I'll play devil's advocate; that was still pretty arrogant in a way, and if not arrogant, oblivious on Sony's part. They overestimated the market's willingness to pay $600 for a video game console. Because despite all those cool features PS3 had (some of which were retroactively removed sadly), it was still first and foremost seen as a video game system. And for a video game system, $600 was out of the question for most people.
And I can guarantee if PS4 were another PS3, it'd of had sales fall off a cliff like the XBO has. The conditions are the same; people will not pay $600 for a video game console. Or $500, for very long, apparently. They can get a blu-ray for $100, if not less, if all they want are hi-def movies. They can get Netflix and Hulu on cheap boxes for $100 or less if that's what they want. They have smartphones and tablets for most social networking. If they're buying these consoles, they're buying them for games, and when the average game is $60, that makes buying a $500/$600 console very off-putting, especially when you add in the subscription fee for online.
If we got the PS4 you wanted, the PS4 would be dead. It's a great value proposition I agree, but people aren't gonna pay for that, the evidence is there and has been since 1993.
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