Of course it won't, it will sell much more than Watch Dogs.
Edit: unless you mean that it won't sell at the same platform ratios as Watch Dogs. Then I see what you're trying to say.
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Of course it won't, it will sell much more than Watch Dogs.
Edit: unless you mean that it won't sell at the same platform ratios as Watch Dogs. Then I see what you're trying to say.
As expected a bunch of drive-by posts mocking your opinion instead of argumenting.
People can say that Xbox exclusives are unappealing all day, but if someone says the same for PS titles.. here comes the troop.
BananaSprinkles
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He spent the better part of 6 months doing more advertising and promotion for Titanfall than seemingly Microsoft and EA combined. It's hard for me to take anything he has to say about that game seriously.
Maybe his version is accurate. Maybe.
Imru al-Qays
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The main issue would be the return of Arrogant Sony - the PS3 is what happened the last time Sony felt absolutely secure in its domination of the console market.
If Steamboxes and other cheap, plug-in-and-play gaming PCs can become a viable console alternative, though, that might be all the competition Sony needs to keep them honest.
Oh give me a break.
Psycho_Mantis
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Is XB1 ever going to outsell PS4 again in America?
Even the month MCC comes out is up in the air since its a holiday month and PS4 is clearly the more attractive product right now.
Even the month MCC comes out is up in the air since its a holiday month and PS4 is clearly the more attractive product right now.
What do you expect when he throws " but but but Sony" in there just to fan the flames?
darkstar0155
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my thoughts exactly
SmokedMeat
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This is what I responded to. It reminds me of the negativity that surrounded the Wii Pad, which many felt was useless and should be dropped. The weaker hardware for a "next gen" system, and the lack of strong exclusive games (at the time).
That statement would've fit the Wii U perfectly a year ago. I guess you don't agree, but I see a strong parallel.
IIRC Microsoft were interested in Respawn's new game very early on anyway.
I doubt it, Sony has the kind of momentum that's hard to kill. MS should just be happy that the Xbox isn't completely sinking and continue to try to win customers through good software. They certainly can't beat Sony worldwide so focus on just trying to not do horrible. They're doing ok with their new attitude, just gotta keep it up and hang in there. It's gonna be rough. I just hope they don't try to force the next cycle TOO early. Unless there's some breakthrough in computing. Now I'm just rambling.
DryvBy
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The PS2 had hardware. That's kind of how electronics work.
Kazuma Kiryu
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You mean like what you're doing?
Syphon Filter
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how you know xbox one sold less in june?
spatenfloot
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That is why companies do this. So many people accept the PR at face value without realizing what they actually said.
HI. BILLY MAYS HERE
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Ummm...
I don't think that's what he was saying
Psycho_Mantis
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Comparing to previous console launches they are not doing bad at all.
It just looks that way because Sony has this "one in a lifetime" momentum at the moment
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Sony doesn't need anyone to really "keep them honest." That's borderline "We need competition because reasons" talk. PS3 Sony was Stupid Sony, and not nearly as malicious as what Microsoft was attempting to do w/ XBO before all the backlashImru al-Qays;121453480 said:
I also remember "Arrogant Sony" (<-how is this honestly a thing?) also led to the PS2, probably the best "bang-for-your-buck" console ever conceived, appealed to hardcore, core and casual, and was a very healthy market for 3rd party devs and pubs. . Wanna be afraid of an Arrogant? Be afraid of Arrogant Nintendo.
Some of you also seem to forget that many of the people that led to the PS3's pitiful start, including this random dude named Ken Kutaragi (who only designed the entire system), are no longer at the company. The people there now don't think like that anymore, they've proven so for the past four years.
We really don't know this yet until the numbers come out.
Syphon Filter
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where did you get your numbers from?
eddfromtheriver
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I hope for this as well, PS4/Wii U and all bases are covered.
Imru al-Qays
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They don't think like that anymore because they can't because they were afraid that if they did Microsoft would eat their lunch. Companies don't tend to release really great products or treat their customers right when they don't have any competition. So yeah, we do need competition because reasons: those reasons are called economics.
Comparing to previous console launches they are not doing bad at all.
It just looks that way because Sony has this "one in a lifetime" momentum at the moment
I thought that the XO was doing worse than the 360 month by month? I know they didn't have the early supply problems that the 360 had.
Careful, logic doesn't work around here on GAF.
I don't see how this would be any different than what we have now aside from less competition.
Isleofsancroy
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Until the gap is over a million a post like this is silly.
Outside of inFamous and Demon's Souls, I honestly find Sony's first party games a bit lacking for my tastes. My favorite franchise exclusive from the 360 was Crackdown as well so Microsoft didn't do themselves any favors by basically turning the franchise into mediocrity and then not having plans in place early for the 3rd installment making the new one a 2016 release. Maybe then I'll get an XBO.
Not a fan of cinematic corridor shooters. At...all. HATE uncharted, TLOU, Beyond: Two Souls. Give me pure gameplay and limited cinematics any day.
(I played all of those series I mentioned. Bought them on hype and hated them.)
Cthulhu_Steev
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Would you say it was like a house full of bees all buzzing the same thing?
Whats wrong with it? He ironizing the fact that some people are giving less importance when games are released on XB1 and other plataforms, but the same is not applied to the PS4, even when Sony says otherwise.
People get warm about such little thing over playstation, when I have to read such atrocities every day on XB1 threads that I just give up.
Louis Cyphre
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That same logic would also apply to what's been happening with the Xbox One with all the changes they have made but I don't see you ever changing your opinion.
Psycho_Mantis
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NPD for PS4 and then press release for the latter.
XB1 sales will be within that ball park. I don't expect it to have such PR and do 200k+ for instance as that would warrant a nearly triple.
Why 1 million?
Amentallica
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I suspect a larger user base would create incentives to publish more titles that would otherwise not be published and/or that would normally be exclusive to either PS4 or Xbox One. More people to play with on one platform and possibly more games available to people who would normally own only one console between the two.
He could have just said people give a free pass to Sony and not to Microsoft. But but but just winds people up. It's also not very constructive to the flow of conversation, sort of like hitting a brick wall.
Still assumption until the news comes out. All that we know right now is that Xbox One for June NPD is over 155,000 and less than 231,000.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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I'm seeing that full and well w/ Imru al-Qay's reply lol.
Again: PS2, "Arrogant Sony"....incredible gen for gamers w/ a PS2 (and maybe the other systems, but you HAD to have a PS2 that gen to get the most out of it).
That's partially true; the difference is MS's made all of those reversals before and within eight months of launch. In the optics game, that makes them look very weak and uncertain to consumers, makes it seem like the platforming is doing worst than it actually is.
Sony's fixes to PS3 were very gradual, therefore it seemed more genuine (like they took the time to reflect on why their screw-ups were bad) and optically seemed more like a strong guy who fell off his feet and taking the long road to get back into form.
Basically Sony's return to form was like Rocky III and MS's return to form has been more like a David Spade sitcom
Except the financial incentive needed to keep a non-owned IP exclusive is prohibitive. For one MS isn't the reason Titanfall exists. Anyone arguing that is either being blatantly dishonest or a moron.
Second, what if DR3 was some major revelation in the franchise and sold 5M copies? Do you really think Capcom wouldn't make DR4 themselves? Do you really think they wouldn't immediately go multiplatform in order to maximize profits? Hell, DR3 is already coming to PC.
Microsoft can't retain a non-owned IP as an exclusive in today's ecosystem. They're an also ran in Europe (a legitimately huge western game audience) and they've never even merited consideration in Japan. As a result being XB1 exclusive is ignoring 3/4ths of Europe and 4/4ths of Japan. That could get them by as long as the U.K. was a pro-Xbox aberration and they had a massive U.S. lead. Neither is true anymore. So unless MS is going to start writing $100M checks to keep individual titles exclusive (hint: they aren't) they need to generate legitimate 1st party exclusives themselves or fall further behind.
No one is propping LBP3 up as a PS4 system seller. It's there for people who are already loyal to the Sony brand and want it on the PS4, but it isn't a flagship title. And TLoU PS4 is coming out in the summer for a specific reason: to fill a void and drag non-PS3 owners into the PS4 ecosystem before the holidays hit. That works because TLoU is barely a year old, incredibly praised, and a very unique title. Meanwhile compare that to the Halo collection - most anyone interested in the franchise has already played most or all of those games over the decade it's been in existence.
Meanwhile Forza Horizon 2 is the big Xbox One first party title for this holiday and it's competition at selling next gen systems, Driveclub, is PS4 exclusive with visuals that make it pretty clear WHY it is PS4 exclusive.
No, you can objectively say they have a better first party.
1. They make more games.
2. They sell more games in total.
3. They have a larger library of critically acclaimed games on metadata websites.
4. They haven't experience nearly the same talent loss MS has in the transition into this generation.
Point 4 is especially important. Consider Lionhead - a huge amount of the core talent that founded the studio and then was brought in for the original Fable have now moved on with Molyneux. Of course that is Molyneux's calling card. Pump out some good games with his core guys, get bought by a big publisher, stick around long enough to honor contracts and pad everyone's bank account, then bail to go indie, make a few quirky fun titles, then repeat the process again. The history of Lionhead is pretty much 1:1 that of Bullfrog. When is the last time you played a good Bullfrog game?
Or Rare. They went from a premier studio to a Kinect game farm. They closed all the FASA studios and have since leased out their IPs so can't even make games on them now.
And the crown jewel of first party failure, they let Bungie go thinking 343 would be a cheaper Halo farm studio and since haven't been able to capture the magic Bungie had (i.e. quality gameplay). The best calling card for Halo 4 was it's graphical leap forward, largely credited to Ms. Corinne Yu, who now works for Naughty Dog.
They haven't been committed to first party development since about 2006 and it REALLY shows.
1. Destiny's ability to sell a next gen system is orders of magnitude greater than Forza Horizon 2 simply based on hype levels. The number of people saving up for an XB1 to get FH2 could probably be counted on two hands. The number of people saving up to get a next gen system to go with Destiny likely numbers in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions.
As for why it will sell PS4s preferentially, well....
1. Activision, Bungie, and Sony are actively working together to make that happen, just like MS and Activision used to do with Call of Duty. Activision is a whore though and see the shifting of the tides (not to mention Sony money hats) and have an agenda. Cross promoting a game with a platform has a multitude of examples where it disproportionately drives one format's sales. Sony is basically taking the strategy MS used on multiple titles last generation (CoD most notably) and taking it to the next extreme on the single biggest next gen release of the year in Destiny.
2. The PS4 is better hardware for the same or greater money. I mean, that's a pretty compelling reason for anyone who does more than a few minutes of internet research before picking a console. People care about that.
3. The XB1 is still battling some negative perception tied to it's DRM. They are now starting to face negative perception tied to the fact that Sony is kicking their ass globally.
4. Sony is effectively "priming the pump" for Destiny by releasing TLoU this summer and a Destiny specific console bundle this fall. They're deliberately running a full court press to get Xbox 360 owners on the fence to pick PS4. MS is still just trying to stem the bleeding while Sony is pounding nails into their bat to make sure the next blow finishes them off. Which it will if sales of Destiny are 3:1 this holiday (which would almost definitely be followed by 2:1 hardware sales in the U.S. alone over that same span).
Different strategies are in play now. Sony is looking to lock up the generation a year in, MS is just trying to get their balance back. 3rd parties see this and you can bet they'd all prefer to publish on a single platform instead of having to deal with two different hardware configurations, two different approval processes, two different printing streams, and two different packaging designs. Sure they like competition, but within a given generation it isn't as important and MS isn't looking real competitive right now as-is.
As to the OP itself - I really enjoy that last month when sales plummeted MS cited the announced removal of Kinect and associated price drop as the reason why it wasn't a big deal, only to use those same artificially low numbers to trumpet the rebound one month later. Fantastic spin doctoring there. Really well done. Not quite as good as Nintendo comparing Wii U LTD sales v. PS4 LTD sales despite the 1 year head start six months into the PS4's life but still, a valiant attempt.
Not with a major price-cut.
If your base was 160k or whatever, okay, that's not amazing either but a price-cut down the line or a major string of releases could easily see that number improve month-over-month. This WAS the attempt at improving it month over month.
Imru al-Qays
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You don't think competition keeps companies honest? Really?
Success doesn't go to a company's head immediately. PS2-era Sony understood that the PS1's success could have been a fluke and that they needed to release an attractive product to capitalize on it. PS3-era Sony didn't.
it's not a price cut....
Seriously? I read this all the times on Xbox threads..
I just came from this thread:
http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=121459525&postcount=151
For any and all practical applications, yes it is.
this kind of shit gets said about both platforms pretty equally TBH
graywolf323
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isn't Microsoft essentially advertising it as exactly that? by saying something like Xbox One now starting from $399 which most people will interpret as a price cut
Exactly my point.
Chobel
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And you think that's OK?
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