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[Cipherr]

Its definitely a contender for dethroning the SNES. Its not there yet, but its got a LONG life ahead of it, and its already extremely close to the greatness of the SNES, its not even a question of if it will surpass it, but when to be honest.

It just has far to many quality games. Far to many.

SNES? Really?

I guess it might be that I was never a huge Nintendo person, but there's absolutely no way I would consider the SNES to be a "legendary" system. I mean, it was okay, had some good games, but that was really it.

If you want to talk about machines "to beat", you talk about the NES, or the PlayStation 2. Not the SNES.

Boy what in the freaking hell... You are and have been out of touch for a long time if either of the primary 16 bit systems in your opinion were only 'okay'.

 

[Mindlog]

"Dark gaming times?" Huh?

This is what I was going to say.

I'm not an iPhone/iTouch owner, but I'm happy to see Apple finally taking games a little more seriously. Their end has taken the PSN/XBLA model to the extreme. Games can now run the gamut from tiny to AAA and have someplace to reach the audience.

Meanwhile, as the video game industry struggles to pull itself out of a severe and ongoing sales slump, the Nintendo DS is sailing off shelves.

In the U.S., sales of video game hardware are down 17 percent so far this year compared to last year, according to market research firm NPD Group. And yet, NPD analyst Anita Frazier points out that sales of the Nintendo DS are up by a whopping 20 percent for 2009 so far — all of this as the DS is about to celebrate its fifth birthday.

When it comes to 'sluggish' sales this year they compare it to record shattering years during a period of greater economic certainties. Dark days is alarmist crap.

but I clicked to read it, so I'm part of the problem

at least I agree Scibblenauts is awesome.

 

[nyprimus2]

Dark gaming times? All I own is a 360 and I still have 15-20 games I haven't played for the system that I want to. I don't own a PS3, Wii, DS, or PSP. The amount of games that I want to play that have come out in the last few years to now would be a huge number.

How is this "dark gaming times"?

 

[jufonuk]

come on Nintendo just add some VC to the DSi and make it the greatest Nintendo system to date. (it's could well be the highest selling machine as well)

How is this "dark gaming times"?

Blame the Recession<-- it's all your fault , Curses!!

 

[CultureClearance]

Ds is a beast. No doubt about it.

 

[laserbeam]

Dark Times can be said to refer to the fact that Subtract the DS and Wii from the numbers and you see a very very sick industry that is not growing and is in fact shrinking.

That was the whole joke about the non stop best year ever sales soaring reports for the last few years. The Industry "grew" yet in reality it was only Nintendo growing that made the industry look good.

 

[rollingstart]

My opinion of the DS is weird because the "games make the system" is so right. I don't like the DS(Lite/I) hardware, but the software for it is freaking great.

I'll agree that the DS' brightest stars may not shine quite as luminously as the SNES' (especially the first party stuff), but there are SOOOOOO many more bright stars shining in the DS' night sky, by comparison.

How long have you been wanting to use stars in a post?

 

[mollipen]

:lol :lol

Im just gonna bail out before this thread gets ugly.

I have no problem with people thinking the SNES was a great system, because it was, and it had some great games. But come on, let's be serious here; there isn't anybody who would actually try to say that the SNES had a better library than the PS2, is there? I mean, come on. I don't care where you preferences lie or what kind of fanboy you are, it's kind of hard to say that one of the biggest and most varied game libraries in console gaming history isn't better than the SNES (or the Genesis, or the Turbo, or most other console libraries period).

 

[-COOLIO-]

nintendo really showed us.

i still remember all of the ds underestimation way back when.

 

[Walk-Out Basements]

This is turning out to be a console war-debate. I won't say which is the "best of all times"...

I think the concensus is, in terms of quality of games, not hardware, in chronological order:

NES, GEN, SNES, DC, PS2, DS, 360

DS delivers - all genres - even adding new ones - except for Survival Horror (all due respect to dementium, i prefer fatal frame/silent hill/pre- RE4) and FPS games (all due respect to MP hunters). Those need prettier pictures.

 

[Mejilan]

How long have you been wanting to use stars in a post?

??

 

[Mejilan]

DS delivers - all genres

I love the DS something fierce, but it's sports, racing, and fighting games are incredibly lacking.

 

[jufonuk]

I love the DS something fierce, but it's sports, racing, and fighting games are incredibly lacking.

Add Shmups to that

 

[Cipherr]

nintendo really showed us.

i still remember all of the ds underestimation way back when.

A Cache of GAF on the day of the DS announcement:

Nintendo Announces Dual-Screened Portable Game System;

What bullshit.

I knew this was gonna suck.

Damn, NPD AND this. What a day for GAF.

Virtual Boy 2.

No, the Virtual Boy had a lot more potential than this.

This... this... agh, I'm speechless.

-1000 Nintendo >_<

Sometimes I wonder if Nintendrones really are in the same "reality" as me. I mean, come on, 2 screens, big deal...... then what ???? First game to be annonced will be Time Crisis ???

This will be a collectors item folks, I'm buying them all when they hit 20$ in bargain bins at Wal-Mart, three months after launch.I didn't do it with the Virtual Boy, I would be rich by now. Nintendo, you can't fool me twice.

Its funny to look at now of course, I mean. The irony of doubting the potential of the DS? Man thats wild. It just proves you never really know...

 

[Aaron Strife]

This is turning out to be a console war-debate. I won't say which is the "best of all times"...

I think the concensus is, in terms of quality of games, not hardware, in chronological order:

NES, GEN, SNES, DC, PS2, DS, 360

DS delivers - all genres - even adding new ones - except for Survival Horror (all due respect to dementium, i prefer fatal frame/silent hill/pre- RE4) and FPS games (all due respect to MP hunters). Those need prettier pictures.

Personally, I see it as

NES - SNES - PS1 - PS2 - DS

Spoiler

it's no coincidence that this is the order of which the main Dragon Quest games have appeared.

 

[Walk-Out Basements]

I love the DS something fierce, but it's sports, racing, and fighting games are incredibly lacking.

But Mario Kart DS combines all of those.

Spoiler

DS. It does everything.

 

[onipex]

I have no problem with people thinking the SNES was a great system, because it was, and it had some great games. But come on, let's be serious here; there isn't anybody who would actually try to say that the SNES had a better library than the PS2, is there? I mean, come on. I don't care where you preferences lie or what kind of fanboy you are, it's kind of hard to say that one of the biggest and most varied game libraries in console gaming history isn't better than the SNES (or the Genesis, or the Turbo, or most other console libraries period).

SNES>Genesis>NES>>>>>PS2.....bescause people can have different opinions.

 

[jett]

You are quite subdued and congenial today. Prozac?

wtf is this shit

 

[Vyse The Legend]

Yeah same here. The only games I own for it are Chrono Trigger (which is awesome) and Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia. Ironically I have three times as many games for my PSP than I have for my DS.

Conversely, I have 67 DS games and only 8 PSP games. Go figure.

 

[Taurus]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32889759/ns/technology_and_science-games/


The author goes on to say how Apple's Ipod really has no chance on the gaming front because "it's not about the quantity of games, it's about the quality". Sounds like something a PS3 Owner argues. She also brings up Pachter and how he thinks the DS should become more like psp or something in order to remain ahead of the psp? Nice read though overall. I definitely agree that it's a great time for ds owners. I just bought Scribblenauts last night and haven't really put it down since.

DS HD coming, you read it first here!

 

[freddy]

She also brings up Pachter and how he thinks the DS should become more like psp or something in order to remain ahead of the psp?

Pachter must be reading the latest Media Create threads to get his ideas lately.

 

[freddy]

Oh and the DS is certainly an awesome machine.

 

[AKingNamedPaul]

I only wish I had the time and money to enjoy all that the ds has to offer. It has plenty of games that I would love to check out, but I only have about 6 games for it.

 

[ShinNL]

Dark Times can be said to refer to the fact that Subtract the DS and Wii from the numbers and you see a very very sick industry that is not growing and is in fact shrinking.

That was the whole joke about the non stop best year ever sales soaring reports for the last few years. The Industry "grew" yet in reality it was only Nintendo growing that made the industry look good.

Ah yeah, I always subconsciously noticed that but people hardly mention it. Wise post and a good article of someone who isn't stuck in a world of speculation and see it as it is. Of all the systems that I have, I think the DS has the most variety in gameplay. Experiences like platforming, racing were fun when I was a child, but now I'm bored with it. DS showed me that being a surgeon, lawyer, drummer, motivation dancer and rhythm flicker is a fun way to game as well. Definitely my fav. system (and the funny thing is, it did more what I expected my Wii should have been doing).

 

[Iknos]

Dark Times can be said to refer to the fact that Subtract the DS and Wii from the numbers and you see a very very sick industry that is not growing and is in fact shrinking.

But does that have to do with quality of games as the writer implies...or marketing?

She says: "Ultimately, it’s original, deep and well-executed games from developers like Slaczka — and, of course, Nintendo itself – that have made the DS such a success."

We all know that the other consoles and platforms like XBLA/PSN have great games. There is no shortage of excellent games this generation.

The DS has great titles I'm sure. But why aren't people all over the other consoles when they too have a good selection of varied games of high quality?

I think it's more accurate to say that great games play a role in the DS's success. Another big thing is price. Convenience is another. The fact that it is a touchscreen makes it unique and easy to use.

Great games aren't exclusive to DS...I think the writer of the article should have explored the other reasons as to why it is so wildly popular.

 

[freddy]

But does that have to do with quality of games as the writer implies...or marketing?

She says: "Ultimately, it’s original, deep and well-executed games from developers like Slaczka — and, of course, Nintendo itself – that have made the DS such a success."

We all know that the other consoles and platforms like XBLA/PSN have great games. There is no shortage of excellent games this generation.

The DS has great titles I'm sure. But why aren't people all over the other consoles when they too have a good selection of varied games of high quality?

I think it's more accurate to say that great games play a role in the DS's success. Another big thing is price. Convenience is another. The fact that it is a touchscreen makes it unique and easy to use.

Great games aren't exclusive to DS...I think the writer of the article should have explored the other reasons as to why it is so wildly popular.

Yea when she feels about writing some good things about a product she should always praise the competition too. She should know feelings will be hurt. And if she is gonna praise it alone then at least don't mention this, this , this this and this. Oh and this also.

 

[AdventureRacing]

Wat.

The insane love for the Nintendo DS in this forum is something I will never ever understand.

DS is by far the most popular console of all time. Yet on GAF there are far more fans of the PS3 and 360.

Most of the official threads even for it's absolute monster franchises are lucky to get more than a few thousand posts.

Considering its success the DS receives an incredibly disproportionately low amount of love on these boards.

 

[ShineALight]

I am in love with my DS. It's like the sequel to the SNES of the N64 that never was, all in one machine. But all the games have the benefit of being designed from a slightly more appealing, more modern standpoint. It's also amazing that the promise of innovation was actually delivered (for the most part) on the system. It's still going strong and in retrospect it will be remembered by most very, very well.

 

[Nessus]

The GBA was like a wonderful rebirth of SNES gaming.

List of awesome: Advance Wars, Medal of Honor: Infiltrator, Gunstar Super Heroes, Mother 3, M&L Superstar Saga, Wario Land 4, Aria of Sorrow...

How could you forget Drill Dozer?!

 

[Iknos]

Yea when she feels about writing some good things about a product she should always praise the competition too. She should know feelings will be hurt. And if she is gonna praise it alone then at least don't mention this, this , this this and this. Oh and this also.

Are you sure you are responding to the right post?

 

[DaPHanTomMeNace]

Dark gaming times? All I own is a 360 and I still have 15-20 games I haven't played for the system that I want to. I don't own a PS3, Wii, DS, or PSP. The amount of games that I want to play that have come out in the last few years to now would be a huge number.

How is this "dark gaming times"?

You own 15-20 games that you haven't played but want to, WANT to? Do you not understand the gist of the dark gaming times?

 

[SlickVic]

A Cache of GAF on the day of the DS announcement:

Nintendo Announces Dual-Screened Portable Game System;


Its funny to look at now of course, I mean. The irony of doubting the potential of the DS? Man thats wild. It just proves you never really know...

Yeah I mean you can't really blame them for being skeptical. Hell even Nintendo was calling the DS "the third pillar" at the time which to me always seemed like if things went sour for the DS, they could just announce a new Gameboy. After all, it's only the third pillar, if it fails they still have the flagship Gameboy brand to fall back on. But of course, that's not how the story goes.

The DS is a great system but I feel not being a huge JRPG fan, I've missed a lot of the great games on it. I will have to play Scribblenauts at some point though. Bowser's Inside Story looks nice but again, not being a big RPG guy (outside of WRPG's like Fallout 3 and Mass Effect) I'm not sure how much it'll appeal to me.

System still rocks for me for Phoenix Wright alone.

 

[Son of Godzilla]

DS is by far the best selling handheld of all time. Yet on GAF there are far more fans of the PS3 and 360.

Fixed that for you.

I own two and don't particularly think it's anything more than a nice system with some nice games. Some.

 

[Kobun Heat]

If this is powerful enough to be a counter to PSP, an E3 showing has the potential to be really damaging to Sony - if Nintendo shows off better software.

man, i guess i am some kinda fuckin' genius.

 

[stephendedalus]

Since I can't post my own threads. And the fact that this is related to MSN. I found this hilarious idiotic.

http://tech.ca.msn.com/photogallery.aspx?cp-documentid=21748000

Best line concerning NHL 10:

"While previous hockey simulators rewarded hitting, this much-anticipated game actually rewards players for fighting. And it's bone-crushingly realistic. Players get a first-person perspective while delivering — or receiving — punches. The resulting black eyes and bloody noses are rendered in gory detail. Be smart, don't pick a fight with Wade Belak."

This doesn't actually happen, especially the gory detail. What a joke. :lol

8 out of 10 of those are flat out wrong.

 

[AdventureRacing]

Fixed that for you.

The DS has already comfortably passed the PS2 in Japan and at the rate its heading it's going to breeze past the PS2's ltd WW.

But really that's just semantics and doesn't change my point.

I own two and don't particularly think it's anything more than a nice system with some nice games. Some.

I don't see what that has to do with my point and i am not going to get into a pointless subjective discussion.

 

[freddy]

Are you sure you are responding to the right post?

Yea, the butthurt one crying about other consoles not being included in the praise? Sorry Ill check if it was yours.

The DS has great titles I'm sure. But why aren't people all over the other consoles when they too have a good selection of varied games of high quality?

Yep it was yours I was responding to. :lol

 

[Iknos]

Yea, the butthurt one crying about other consoles not being included in the praise? Sorry Ill check if it was yours.



Yep it was yours I was responding to. :lol

If you've interpreted that way you might want to look it over again.

I don't care about her praise. I pointed out exactly what I wanted when I said:

"I think the writer of the article should have explored the other reasons as to why it is so wildly popular."

I've bolded it since obviously you missed it the first time.

Try it again.

 

[freddy]

If you've interpreted that way you might want to look it over again.

I don't care about her praise. I pointed out exactly what I wanted when I said:

"I think the writer of the article should have explored the other reasons as to why it is so wildly popular."

I've bolded it since obviously you missed it the first time.

Try it again.

I think you should let her write what she wants to write. Also if you didn't want to be called out for crying about lack of praise for other consoles in an article about the DS then you shouldn't have included what I quoted. There's no interpreting this any other way.

The DS has great titles I'm sure. But why aren't people all over the other consoles when they too have a good selection of varied games of high quality?

Its an article about the DS and it's praising it. Get over it. Maybe if you write her she'll make one about every console ever created in the interest of fairness and justice for all.

 

[Iknos]

I think you should let her write what she wants to write.

It's not so much that I don't want her to write it.

It's that I want her to be grounded in reality.

Also if you didn't want to be called out for crying about lack of praise for other consoles in an article about the DS then you shouldn't have included what I quoted.

I didn't talk about "praise" at all in my entire post.

You can't expect me to repost it and bold the entire thing now...

 

[freddy]

But why aren't people all over the other consoles when they too have a good selection of varied games of high quality?

But why aren't people praising the other consoles when they too have a good selection of varied games of high quality?

Please...

I'm out.

 

[Safe Bet]

"In dark gaming times..."

WTF?

I'd like to see a few more games here and there but that statement seems a bit melodramatic.

 

[Shig]

MSNBC reporter smarter than GAF confirmed. What's with you jerklords hyping Scribblenauts so much more than Bowser's Inside Story anyway?

 

[Iknos]

But why aren't people all over the other consoles when they too have a good selection of varied games of high quality?

But why aren't people praising the other consoles when they too have a good selection of varied games of high quality?

Please...

I'm out.

I was responding to a post that talked about sales numbers.

I quote a portion of the article where the writer attempts to understand what "made the DS such a success."

I don't know how you could think the success of consoles is judged by how much or often they are "praised".

Typically "success" of hardware is judged by sales.

Maybe that's just the way I see it. I could be alone on this. Little did I realize that the NPD numbers tracked "praise" from journalists each month.

smh

 

[Tannhauser]

This is turning out to be a console war-debate. I won't say which is the "best of all times"...

I think the concensus is, in terms of quality of games, not hardware, in chronological order:

NES, GEN, SNES, DC, PS2, DS, 360

DS delivers - all genres - even adding new ones - except for Survival Horror (all due respect to dementium, i prefer fatal frame/silent hill/pre- RE4) and FPS games (all due respect to MP hunters). Those need prettier pictures.

What consensus is that?! (I don't understand your list either! Chronological order?!)

To be fair though - unlike many others, I believe you can quantify quality software on consoles to some degree of objectivity whereby you can compare each console's set of games. However if I was to try and formulate a list it wouldn't look anything like that there (assuming it's going #1 - NES, #2 - GEN..).

 

[Pureauthor]

MSNBC reporter smarter than GAF confirmed. What's with you jerklords hyping Scribblenauts so much more than Bowser's Inside Story anyway?

the MnL seruies may have time-travelling, riding on dinosaurs, and zombies, but they don't have it all in a single game, that's why.

 

[evilromero]

DS is on PSX levels already.

I can't believe Nintendo managed to make a machine that beat the super nes =B~

It hasn't beat the SNES yet. It still needs a good Metroid and Zelda game.

 

[kinggroin]

Yeah same here. The only games I own for it are Chrono Trigger (which is awesome) and Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia. Ironically I have three times as many games for my PSP than I have for my DS.

So buy four more awesome games and call it even?

 

[jett]

DS is by far the most popular console of all time. Yet on GAF there are far more fans of the PS3 and 360.

Most of the official threads even for it's absolute monster franchises are lucky to get more than a few thousand posts.

Considering its success the DS receives an incredibly disproportionately low amount of love on these boards.

By far eh, sales-wise it still has about 30 million to go to catch up with the PS2. I guess it's just a vocal few, but deeming it the best console of all time sounds a bit ridiculous to me. I guess what the DS offers is not for me.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

For me, the DS is easily my 2nd favorite gaming system of all time, though I don't think it has a hope in hell of catching the first (the PlayStation 2). The SNES was my previous fave from Nintendo, and I think the DS takes it out behind the woodshed and beats the ever-loving shit out of it.