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Zachi said:
Ali vs Tyson

Ali would play Tyson like a toy before knocking him the fuck out

Tyson were beating cupcakes that made him look a like a beast

Ali fought boxing hall of fames at their primes throughout his career (some are multiple times) Floyd Patterson, Ken Norton, Sonny Liston, George Foreman, Joe Frazier, Larry Holmes. And his career includes 3.5 years off the ring at his prime age because of suspension.
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Patterson and Liston were well past their primes when they met Ali. And Ali was well past his prime when he fought Holmes.
 
Cipherr said:
Goddamn do I ever love when people put 90's basketball on this ridiculously absurd pedestal where everyone driving into the lane was stabbed and shot, and the refs never blew their whistles, and superstar calls absolutely did not exist.

Its the weirdest shit. Its like you all don't realize that the rest of us outside of your bubble were there also, and that we absolutely see how exaggerated you guys make it.
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Lol at this post. The only one living in a bubble is you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wLW2UwkcG4

Today's game is nowhere near as physical, you must be blind.
 
The Chosen One said:
You got Larry Bird and Dr. J grabbing throats. You think anyone in today's NBA would lay a hand on Lebron let alone grab is neck?
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If someone did he'd probably run to the locker room crying. He'd have to go find another 5'7 player to bulldoze like Nate or John Lucas to make himself feel better.
 
BlanketFort said:
I don't know a lot about boxing (honestly, most of my knowledge comes from the Rocky franchise) so keep that in mind; but, could someone explain why Ali's opponent just doesn't change his focus of attack to his body?

Was "working the body" not allowed then? Is there some reason why he doesn't do this (i.e. the opponent was trying to go for a special combo or something?)

Again, like I said, I obviously do not know a lot about the sport but was curious - can anyone shine a light on this for me?
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Because his opponent was a dummy
 
To be honest its hard comparing boxers from different eras. Lewis was amazing though. Very underrated in the states.

Another one of my fav Ali videos. I found the way Ali was defending himself here very impressive. It takes balls coming to a show like Buckley and argue with someone who wants to destroy you. One of the few people Buckley said impressed him and made him realize that he was right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2bX6dmk8M4
 
Batman said:
Mike couldn't fight on the inside, Joe would have cleaned him up with ease and Mike would be crying in the ring and in the locker room.
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You need thicker glasses. Mike was almost exclusively an in the pocket fighter. He would have plowed both Frasier and Ali like a driveway after Christmas eve.
 
Plinko said:
Thank you for this. In the past I tried to argue this in the NBA thread and they all freaked out, insisting it was the same. Total garbage.
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No problem. They must be too young to have seen this live or forgot how physical the NBA was in the 90s.

Did you see when Anthony Mason pushed Jordan after the fact? No whistle, no foul. Or how about when Starks did a flagrant on Pippen, only for Mason (number 14) to sneak in a hit of his own?

That was how the game was played back then. If you were to go by today's rules, they would have suspended so many players from that series, including Jordan.
 
LOL @ all the kids who never watched basketball in the 90's spitting the same bullshit legends about how "hard" it was back then...yeah people used to take more cheap shots because everyone was soft as fuck and no one was scared of anyone. The "hard asses" from back then were fat Charles Barkley and whopping 6'7" Anthony Mason? LMAO.

Nowadays you even have guys like Kirk Hinrich tackling Lebron, David West dropping shoulders to tackle him, you have Ron Artest liable to throw a random elbow at your dome because the voice in his head tells him to, Zach Randolph ready to murder you everytime you try to drive the ball, everyone on the Bulls that fouls every play just because they can, etc. Guys that have the toughness AND the size to fuck you up, THAT'S why you don't have idiots running around the NBA acting crazy, because nowadays you'll actually get your ass kicked. Mason would be a waterboy or the locker room jester in today's NBA.
 
MVP said:
LOL @ all the kids who never watched basketball in the 90's spitting the same bullshit legends about how "hard" it was back then...yeah people used to take more cheap shots because everyone was soft as fuck and no one was scared of anyone. The "hard asses" from back then were fat Charles Barkley and whopping 6'7" Anthony Mason? LMAO.

Nowadays you even have guys like Kirk Hinrich tackling Lebron, David West dropping shoulders to tackle him, you have Ron Artest liable to throw a random elbow at your dome because the voice in his head tells him to, Zach Randolph ready to murder you everytime you try to drive the ball, everyone on the Bulls that fouls every play just because they can, etc. Guys that have the toughness AND the size to fuck you up, THAT'S why you don't have idiots running around the NBA acting crazy, because nowadays you'll actually get your ass kicked. Mason would be a waterboy or the locker room jester in today's NBA.
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Lol at this post. The insecurity of you young bucks is so strong that you contradict yourself in your first sentence. Everyone was soft as fuck, followed up by no one was was scared of anyone, makes no sense.

It's not because they have the size and toughness, it's because the rules don't allow it now in the NBA today. Ron Artest's scrawny ass would have been put in a hospital back then. He's such a badass but yet wanted no piece of Ben Wallace when he got pushed, and instead took it out on a chubby Detroit fan amirite?

Ron Artest suffers from fake thug mentality. Reminds me of the cats in high school who grew up in the suburbs, blasting DMX in their cars, while having a full ride to college.
 
hucast21 said:
No problem. They must be too young to have seen this live or forgot how physical the NBA was in the 90s.

Did you see when Anthony Mason pushed Jordan after the fact? No whistle, no foul. Or how about when Starks did a flagrant on Pippen, only for Mason (number 14) to sneak in a hit of his own?

That was how the game was played back then. If you were to go by today's rules, they would have suspended so many players from that series, including Jordan.
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Right, defense was much different but so was the offense. Don't act like people never got into the paint as if it was some impossible task. Realize that Lebron James is around 260+ lbs, 6'8", and will keep up with your point guard. For reference I think Scottie Pippen was around 240 lbs with the same height and Charles Barkley was 250~ ish and neither were as explosive as Lebron James.

The problem with guarding Lebron is the little guys are too small to guard him and the big guys are too slow to keep up with him. The most challenging person for Lebron in the 90s would be Scottie Pippen
 
badb0y said:
Right, defense was much different but so was the offense. Don't act like people never got into the paint as if it was some impossible task. Realize that Lebron James is around 260+ lbs, 6'8", and will keep up with your point guard. For reference I think Scottie Pippen was around 240 lbs with the same height and Charles Barkley was 250~ ish and neither were as explosive as Lebron James.

The problem with guarding Lebron is the little guys are too small to guard him and the big guys are too slow to keep up with him. The most challenging person for Lebron in the 90s would be Scottie Pippen
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I never made the claim going into the paint was an impossible task back in the 90s. You can do it, but you'll get punished for it.

With people pointing out how the NBA is different today by using Lebron as an example, one must not forget that he is the exception, not the rule.

The NBA is not full of Lebrons, therefore it's easy for him to look good with the physical traits he was born with.
 
hucast21 said:
Lol at this post. The insecurity of you young bucks is so strong that you contradict yourself in your first sentence. Everyone was soft as fuck, followed up by no one was was scared of anyone, makes no sense.

It's not because they have the size and toughness, it's because the rules don't allow it now in the NBA today. Ron Artest's scrawny ass would have been put in a hospital back then. He's such a badass but yet wanted no piece of Ben Wallace when he got pushed, and instead took it out on a chubby Detroit fan amirite?

Ron Artest suffers from fake thug mentality. Reminds me of the cats in high school who grew up in the suburbs, blasting DMX in their cars, while having a full ride to college.
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No one was scared of anyone meaning it was like middle school where you can fuck with other kids because you know you won't get too hurt since everyone else is little, but you can't play those same games when you're older.

I've always made the same point about Artest not being some thug, and have used that exact same example you just did, but at the same time, when Wallace pushed him it wasn't a fight yet, by the time that fat kid ran on the court it was on, anyone could get it. Had that fat kid been replaced by Wallace it would've been the same thing.

Also, stop acting like no one could ever get into the point in the 90's, shit was cake. That's why MJ could score as much as he did. Nowadays you need an outside game. What was MJ's 3pt% lifetime? LOL.

BRB not winning shit until I get the greatest coach and greatest sidekick of all-time

BRB people will only remember my good years and forget all those miserable years I got owned by the Pistons and the fact the Eastern Conference was probably shittier than it is today
 
karasu said:
Patterson and Liston were well past their primes when they met Ali. And Ali was well past his prime when he fought Holmes.
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Floyd vs Ali No.1 was still within Floyd's prime at his 30.

Liston was at his prime when he fought Ali. Most people picked Liston to win
 
The Chosen One said:
I'm assuming you made this post while drunk.

90s B-ball had certified thugs like Charles Oakley and Anthony Mason who would push your shit in if you didn't come into the paint hard and it was all legal in the 90s NBA. There was no such thing as contact fouls back then. It was such a blood sport back then, they were afraid of contracting HIV from Magic.

In today's NBA, players get And1s from defenders just breathing too hard on them. Can't even hand-check anymore. Plus Lebron is such a mental midget that if he was stuck playing thug-ball 90s b-ball, he'd probably bite his nails incessantly until his fingers were just fleshy nubs, not understanding why the defenders aren't parting like the Red Sea.
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man, i miss those knicks teams. wish that style of defense came back.
 
MVP said:
No one was scared of anyone meaning it was like middle school where you can fuck with other kids because you know you won't get too hurt since everyone else is little, but you can't play those same games when you're older.

I've always made the same point about Artest not being some thug, and have used that exact same example you just did, but at the same time, when Wallace pushed him it wasn't a fight yet, by the time that fat kid ran on the court it was on, anyone could get it. Had that fat kid been replaced by Wallace it would've been the same thing.

Also, stop acting like no one could ever get into the point in the 90's, shit was cake. That's why MJ could score as much as he did. Nowadays you need an outside game. What was MJ's 3pt% lifetime? LOL.

BRB not winning shit until I get the greatest coach and greatest sidekick of all-time

BRB people will only remember my good years and forget all those miserable years I got owned by the Pistons and the fact the Eastern Conference was probably shittier than it is today
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You don't know what you're talking about kid.

Career 3pt%:

MJ: .327

Kobe: .335

Lebron: .339

Yup, that's a wrap folks lol. If you're going to disregard MJ's championships because of Phil Jackson, then you must apply that to Kobe and Shaq as well.

Nothing wrong getting owned by the Pistons when they won back-to-back rings in 89' and 90'.

BTW, is that you in your avatar? If it is, I can see why you have such a chip on your shoulder lol.
 
hucast21 said:
Lol at this post. The only one living in a bubble is you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wLW2UwkcG4

Today's game is nowhere near as physical, you must be blind.
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This should be required viewing for anyone who just started watching basketball the last 10 years.

In the early 00s, the league made a conscious decision to make the game with more of a fast tempo and offense-friendly. It is true by the late 90s, the game had slowed down a lot with lots of isolation and physical play, which often resulted in very low-scoring slug-fests.

So it could be argued that today's game after all the rule changes, is more exciting and fast paced on average compared to 15 years ago. But for those of us who really enjoyed quality defensive battles (with some thug-ball thrown in every now and then), that game is dead. In today's game a physical beast like Lebron can completely dominate because no one can really put a body on him without being called for a foul. And what passes for good defense these days is just fancy chase down blocks and gambling excessively in passing lanes (ie. bad defense).

It's a different game. I'm not going to hate on people who like today's high tempo game (okay, maybe I'll hate on them just a little bit). But it's ridiculous to say you could drop Lebron in the early 90s and he would break the game of basketball. In all likelihood, Charles Oakley would have quite literally smashed Lebron's face to the floor and the ref would have called a technical on Bron Bron for crying about it. The NBA still had a bit of its street ball roots back then. Now its roots are videogame 2K.
 
The Chosen One said:
This should be required viewing for anyone who just started watching basketball the last 10 years.

In the early 00s, the league made a conscious decision to make the game with more of a fast tempo and offense-friendly. It is true by the late 90s, the game had slowed down a lot with lots of isolation and physical play, which often resulted in very low-scoring slug-fests.

So it could be argued that today's game after all the rule changes, is more exciting and fast paced on average compared to 15 years ago. But for those of us who really enjoyed quality defensive battles (with some thug-ball thrown in every now and then), that game is dead. In today's game a physical beast like Lebron can completely dominate because no one can really put a body on him without being called for a foul. And what passes for good defense these days is just fancy chase down blocks and gambling excessively in passing lanes (ie. bad defense).

It's a different game. I'm not going to hate on people who like today's high tempo game (okay, maybe I'll hate on them just a little bit). But it's ridiculous to say you could drop Lebron in the early 90s and he would break the game of basketball. In all likelihood, Charles Oakley would have quite literally smashed Lebron's face to the floor and the ref would have called a technical on Bron Bron for crying about it. The NBA still had a bit of its street ball roots back then. Now its roots are videogame 2K.
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AstroZombie said:
You need thicker glasses. Mike was almost exclusively an in the pocket fighter. He would have plowed both Frasier and Ali like a driveway after Christmas eve.
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Tyson was a mid range fighter, watch all of his fights. Tyson couldn't find a way out in the inside, that's why the fighters that went all rounds with him in a fight clinched him hard and didn't get knocked out, Cus never taught him how to work inside. Frazier was an inside fighter, he was on your chest the whole fight, that's what an inside fighter is.
 
Voyevoda007 said:
The whole "cut the glove" thing was all made up by Ali and Wali "Blood" Muhammad. No one in the press heard him say it. He only said "This must be what death feels like". When has Ali ever quit? He was getting his ass kicked fighting Holmes and his corner had to force him to quit. Even Joe admitted in one of his last interviews that Ali would have come back. That "it's not like Muhammad to quit",
Some people point out the fact that he passed out. He had passed out many times after a win. Look at the "Rumble in The Jungle fight". Ali hated how people rushed him after a fight. Last thing someone wants after getting his body battered is a couple guys jumping on him. If you truly think Joe Frazier won 3-0 you don't know shit about boxing. Norton in the other hand, I would agree won all of those fights. He could never figure out Norton.
At the end of the day. Ali at his prime would have destroyed Joe Frazier easily. That is a fact. Ali fought Joe 3 months after a 4 year layoff....and almost beat him.
I in all honesty can't find a single thing praise worthy in Joe Frazier. His last years destroyed his legacy for me. He never used his belt to help anyone. He fired his long time trainer Eddie Futch. He publicly praised Nixon after several black leaders asked him for help. He criticized Ali for cheating on his wife while he was doing the same thing. He was even being abusive to them.

People get all the Ali hate from 3 places usually.
Mark Kram Book
Jack Cashill Book
The HBO Documentary.

Kram was an alcoholic with massive problems in his personal life. He had fights with almost everyone in the industry. The guy was fired after it became public that he was taking bribes from Don King. He was an amazing writer though. Everyone should read his SI piece. But the book was full of inaccuracies. The whole point of the book was that Ali was used by the nation and he never gave Joe any credit. But Ali himself used the nation and gave credit to Joe several times. He originally wanted to make a positive book but Ali and his wife did not want to corporate and negativity sells.

Jack Cashill wrote somewhat a carbon copy of Krams book. He also wrote books on Obama being a illegal immigrant and praised Zimmerman for the shooting incident. Exactly the type of guy Joe Frazier wanted on his side.

The HBO Documentary was made by people that had nothing to do with the fight. Several people in both camps criticize the documentary. Anyone who watch those fights and has even the basic knowledge of boxing history can tell you that.
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Ali told his corner in his 3rd fight with Frazier that he wasn't going back out, just like in the first Liston fight he wanted out because of whatever substance that got into his eye, he quit in two big fights in his career. When he fought Foreman he should have been disqualified. Frazier was the superior fighter by far, by the time he fought Ali in his first match he was partially blind in his left eye, by the time the 3rd fight happened he was half blind and he still beat Ali down hard. People should respect Frazier more, he kept Ali fed while he was banned from boxing while nearly everybody deserted him, if it wasn't for him Ali would have never got his license back to fight.
 
Batman said:
Ali told his corner in his 3rd fight with Frazier that he wasn't going back out, just like in the first Liston fight he wanted out because of whatever substance that got into his eye, he quit in two big fights in his career. When he fought Foreman he should have been disqualified. Frazier was the superior fighter by far, by the time he fought Ali in his first match he was partially blind in his left eye, by the time the 3rd fight happened he was half blind and he still beat Ali down hard. People should respect Frazier more, he kept Ali fed while he was banned from boxing while nearly everybody deserted him, if it wasn't for him Ali would have never got his license back to fight.
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Just look at that photo man. This is the same man who sent his own son into the ring against monsters like Tyson and Holmes and fucked him up mentally. Marvis has a cross eye and whole bunch of mental problems cause of the his father handled his boxing career. I feel no fucken sympathy. Hate how people like to use that against Ali.

I can write a 2000 page book on how Ali helped the underprivileged. Helping Unwanted/ Mentally Handicapped children. Frazier does not even compare. He is not even in the same ball park.

Joe said he forgave him several times, then still preceded to make fun of him and say how he was treated unfair. Its all a joke man. The dude put down his trainer. The guy who made him who he is. Sickens me that in our society, we glorify being sensitive.

Ali never quit. Its all a myth.
 
Voyevoda007 said:
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Just look at that photo man. This is the same man who sent his own son into the ring against monsters like Tyson and Holmes and fucked him up mentally. Marvis has a cross eye and whole bunch of mental problems cause of the his father handled his boxing career. I feel no fucken sympathy. Hate how people like to use that against Ali.

I can write a 2000 page book on how Ali helped the underprivileged. Helping Unwanted/ Mentally Handicapped children. Frazier does not even compare. He is not even in the same ball park.

Joe said he forgave him several times, then still preceded to make fun of him and say how he was treated unfair. Its all a joke man. The dude put down his trainer. The guy who made him who he is. Sickens me that in our society, we glorify being sensitive.

Ali never quit. Its all a myth.
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Dundee and his corner men weren't liars, Ali quit twice. Frazier and Ali weren't exactly model citizens but Frazier never disrespected his fellow black men like Ali did, it was unbelievable what he used to say to so many black people but people would ignore that.
 
Batman said:
Dundee and his corner men weren't liars, Ali quit twice. Frazier and Ali weren't exactly model citizens but Frazier never disrespected his fellow black men like Ali did, it was unbelievable what he used to say to so many black people but people would ignore that.
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Ali might have said some bad things but Frazier did them. Kicked his trainer out and beating half the woman he was with.

Ali seemed pissed when Liston went down in that fight. You watch the fight footage, he almost wants to pick him up.

Dundee himself said he never quit.
 
Ripclawe said:
It wasn't just Ali saying racist shit about him that got to him, it was also other people saying and repeating what Ali was saying, I would be bitter too.

Say mean shit before the fight, say nice things after the fight, rinse repeat ain't going to cut it. Frazier had every right to pissed and say mean shit back to Ali before he died.
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Ali said incredibly incredibly horrible things about Floyd Patterson too in the runup to their first fight. On par with what he said to Frazier easily. Patterson understood what was going on though, Frazier didn't.

Seriously of all the people that Ali has fought it's Frazier that's the odd man out in terms of having *any* grudge against Ali, let alone the incredibly bitter long lasting hate that Frazier held onto to his dying day. There's something off about Frazier not Ali.
 
hucast21 said:
Yup, that's a wrap folks lol. If you're going to disregard MJ's championships because of Phil Jackson, then you must apply that to Kobe and Shaq as well.

BTW, is that you in your avatar? If it is, I can see why you have such a chip on your shoulder lol.
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I don't need to apply it to Kobe because no one acts like Kobe is the greatest of all-time because he won a few rings.

I don't know what the second part even means, so try being a little less nerdy and passive and just get to your point about my picture, and while you're at it, post yours. Oh wait, you won't.

flak57 said:
Not getting into whatever this argument is, but Jordan's real 3p% is around 29%, removing the years that the line was shortened.
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He won't respond to this.
 
YO CAME HERE TO SAY THAT I'M HAPPY BRONER GOT ROCKED.
Maybe now he'll fucking shut his god damn mouth. Guy runs it too much for a young gun. Needed that ego check.
Called Maidana's punches wrecking him if they found their mark and they clearly did, hard. Maidana hits like a god damn truck.
 
studyguy said:
YO CAME HERE TO SAY THAT I'M HAPPY BRONER GOT ROCKED.
Maybe now he'll fucking shut his god damn mouth. Guy runs it too much for a young gun. Needed that ego check.
Called Maidana's punches wrecking him if they found their mark and they clearly did, hard. Maidana hits like a god damn truck.
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Man that fight had everything!

Action, drama, suspense, and even sexual situations. (NOT EVEN LYING)

Definitely one of the better fights of the year and a great way to end the year
 
flak57 said:
Not getting into whatever this argument is, but Jordan's real 3p% is around 29%, removing the years that the line was shortened.
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You're getting into an argument because now I'm going to take you to town. Where are you pulling these numbers from or they did come from thin air?

The NBA shortened the line during the 94-95, 95-96, and the 96-97 season. Jordan only played in two of those season (95-96 and 96-97), while Kobe played in one (96-97).

Since you seem to know exactly what Jordan's "real" 3pt% is, please enlighten us on what is Kobe's real 3p% as well?

If you can't then the numbers still stand. Thank you, have a nice day.
 
MVP said:
I don't need to apply it to Kobe because no one acts like Kobe is the greatest of all-time because he won a few rings.

I don't know what the second part even means, so try being a little less nerdy and passive and just get to your point about my picture, and while you're at it, post yours. Oh wait, you won't.



He won't respond to this.
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I just did.

You try to clown Jordan by saying that today you got have an outside game, I replied with the stats and it took you forever and a day to reply back. Obviously you're a young buck, because if you watched Jordan through 95-98, he wasn't driving to the paint to score points. He was doing nothing but fade away jumpers and once in a while he would go into the lane.

But according to you, Jordan played during a time where everyone were soft asses and where he got most of his points by going into the paint.

Yup, you know a lot kid.
 
hucast21 said:
You're getting into an argument because now I'm going to take you to town. Where are you pulling these numbers from or they did come from thin air?

The NBA shortened the line during the 94-95, 95-96, and the 96-97 season. Jordan only played in two of those season (95-96 and 96-97), while Kobe played in one (96-97).

Since you seem to know exactly what Jordan's "real" 3pt% is, please enlighten us on what is Kobe's real 3p% as well?

If you can't then the numbers still stand. Thank you, have a nice day.
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What's even the point of this post? Temporary ego boost of making it is worth being wrong later? The numbers aren't locked away on a secret government server somewhere, look them up on a niche site like ESPN.com and spend two minutes doing some basic math yourself.

MJ 28.8%
KB 33.4%

With playoffs added:
MJ 29.9%
KB 33.4%
 
Azih said:
Ali said incredibly incredibly horrible things about Floyd Patterson too in the runup to their first fight. On par with what he said to Frazier easily. Patterson understood what was going on though, Frazier didn't.

Seriously of all the people that Ali has fought it's Frazier that's the odd man out in terms of having *any* grudge against Ali, let alone the incredibly bitter long lasting hate that Frazier held onto to his dying day. There's something off about Frazier not Ali.
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Frazier was a jealous old man. History has no sympathy. People forget the fact that Ali said openly that this was all planned to build up the fight. He praised Joe openly in Manila and said he was a friend. They never showed that though. The fact that he knew frazer wife well and he was close to the family also paints another picture.
 
Voyevoda007 said:
Frazier was a jealous old man. History has no sympathy. People forget the fact that Ali said openly that this was all planned to build up the fight. He praised Joe openly in Manila and said he was a friend. They never showed that though. The fact that he knew frazer wife well and he was close to the family also paints another picture.
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You really thought a black man, in post civil rights era America, would consent to being called a gorilla?

Even if they agreed to be trash talk do you really think that was appropriate? To the same man who paid helped pay his bills when he was refusing to fight in Indochina?

Ali was a loser.
 
flak57 said:
What's even the point of this post? Temporary ego boost of making it is worth being wrong later? The numbers aren't locked away on a secret government server somewhere, look them up on a niche site like ESPN.com and spend two minutes doing some basic math yourself.

MJ 28.8%
KB 33.4%

With playoffs added:
MJ 29.9%
KB 33.4%
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From ESPN:

MJ: .327
Kobe: .335

Playoffs

MJ: .332
Kobe: .331

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/1035/michael-jordan



http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/110/kobe-bryant


YOU made the claims, so YOU have to prove it by showing your math. You have to show how MJ playing just 2 seasons versus 1 season from Kobe, where the 3pt line was shortened to show that it dropped his percentage by 3-4%, which mathematically is a significant drop.
 
The Chosen One said:
This should be required viewing for anyone who just started watching basketball the last 10 years.

In the early 00s, the league made a conscious decision to make the game with more of a fast tempo and offense-friendly. It is true by the late 90s, the game had slowed down a lot with lots of isolation and physical play, which often resulted in very low-scoring slug-fests.

So it could be argued that today's game after all the rule changes, is more exciting and fast paced on average compared to 15 years ago. But for those of us who really enjoyed quality defensive battles (with some thug-ball thrown in every now and then), that game is dead. In today's game a physical beast like Lebron can completely dominate because no one can really put a body on him without being called for a foul. And what passes for good defense these days is just fancy chase down blocks and gambling excessively in passing lanes (ie. bad defense).

It's a different game. I'm not going to hate on people who like today's high tempo game (okay, maybe I'll hate on them just a little bit). But it's ridiculous to say you could drop Lebron in the early 90s and he would break the game of basketball. In all likelihood, Charles Oakley would have quite literally smashed Lebron's face to the floor and the ref would have called a technical on Bron Bron for crying about it. The NBA still had a bit of its street ball roots back then. Now its roots are videogame 2K.
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The irony in the combination of your post and your username is just delicious lol.
 
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