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[midramble]

You really thought a black man, in post civil rights era America, would consent to being called a gorilla?

Even if they agreed to be trash talk do you really think that was appropriate? To the same man who paid helped pay his bills when he was refusing to fight in Indochina?

Ali was a loser.

Whatever his personality and the gray area of the morality of his tactics.... He won an awful lot for a "loser".

I'm more of a fan of Smokin Joe anyways. Though I do love watching Foreman fight. It's like he just slowly walks in and and slowly puts his fist through you haha. Watching that monster whale on guys is like watching a train crash. Oh the humanity.

 

[Mesousa]

Whatever his personality and the gray area of the morality of his tactics.... He won an awful lot for a "loser".

I'm more of a fan of Smokin Joe anyways. Though I do love watching Foreman fight. It's like he just slowly walks in and and slowly puts his fist through you haha. Watching that monster whale on guys is like watching a train crash. Oh the humanity.

He won a lot of decisions lol.

The Black Hercules was robbed twice by corrupt judges after he beat him the first time.

 

[flak57]

From ESPN:

MJ: .327
Kobe: .335

Playoffs

MJ: .332
Kobe: .331

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/1035/michael-jordan



http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/110/kobe-bryant


YOU made the claims, so YOU have to prove it by showing your math. You have to show how MJ playing just 2 seasons versus 1 season from Kobe, where the 3pt line was shortened to show that it dropped his percentage by 3-4%, which mathematically is a significant drop.

RM = Total reg season made
SRM = Shortened line reg season made
PM = Total playoffs made
SPM = Shortened line playoffs made
A instead of M is the same, but for attempted instead of made.

(RM-SRM+PM-SPM)/(RA-SRA+PA-SPA)

KB
(1639-51+292-6)/(4889-136+882-23)
33.4%

MJ
(581-16-111-111+148-11-25-13)/(1778-32-260-297+446-30-62-67)
29.9%

Curious to see if you can dig any further on this random little argument here.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Peter McNeely in his prime would've dropped him cold.

Fixed.

 

[Epsilon-delta]

RM = Total reg season made
SRM = Shortened line reg season made
PM = Total playoffs made
SPM = Shortened line playoffs made
A instead of M is the same, but for attempted instead of made.

(RM-SRM+PM-SPM)/(RA-SRA+PA-SPA)

KB
(1639-51+292-6)/(4889-136+882-23)
33.4%

MJ
(581-16-111-111+148-11-25-13)/(1778-32-260-297+446-30-62-67)
29.9%

Curious to see if you can dig any further on this random little argument here.

Wow, you just showed that Kobe attempts more, which means he makes more since he has 4 more seasons than Jordan. With your formula, you also added the shortened seasons for the regular and playoffs, which makes it skewed even more in Kobe's favor.

MJ is being penalized for not attempting more, not playing more seasons, and taking away the shortened seasons. Yup, seems fair.

That is why the only stat worth mentioning is the career stat.

Edit: you should be a Republican since you spin numbers so well

 

[flak57]

Wow, you just showed that Kobe attempts more, which means he makes more since he has 4 more seasons than Jordan. With your formula, you also added the shortened seasons for the regular and playoffs, which makes it skewed even more in Kobe's favor.

MJ is being penalized for not attempting more, not playing more seasons, and taking away the shortened seasons. Yup, seems fair.

That is why the only stat worth mentioning is the career stat.

Edit: you should be a Republican since you spin numbers so well

Those percentages are from totals of all threes they attempted in their entire careers from the traditional three point line. Number of seasons played doesn't matter at all.

Edit: Here, I'll simplify the formula for you:

All real threes made / All real threes attempted

And yes to the below, it's in my nature to jump on things I disagree with even when off topic I'll try to resist if he responds to this post

 

[foxuzamaki]

Came in here to check up on where the boxing talk was....

Found basketball :/

yeah, seriously.

 

[Voyevoda007]

You really thought a black man, in post civil rights era America, would consent to being called a gorilla?

Even if they agreed to be trash talk do you really think that was appropriate? To the same man who paid helped pay his bills when he was refusing to fight in Indochina?

Ali was a loser.

He paid his hotel bill once. Gorilla part just rhymed with Manilla. Don't think there was a racial element to it.

 

[crisdecuba]

Those percentages are from totals of all threes they attempted in their entire careers from the traditional three point line. Number of seasons played doesn't matter at all.

Edit: Here, I'll simplify the formula for you:

All real threes made / All real threes attempted

And yes to the below, it's in my nature to jump on things I disagree with even when off topic I'll try to resist if he responds to this post

Woah woah woah. Just walking by this thread and saw this little tangent. The formula should be: all threes made / all threes attempted. This "real threes" BS is ... well... BS.

 

[foxuzamaki]

Sonny might be great, but he'll leave in 8 If he wanna go to heaven, ill get him in 7 He'll be worth a fix, if i cut it to 6 If he keeps talking jive, he'll go in 5 If he keeps talking about me, ill get him in 3 If that dont do, he'll fall in 2 If he run, he'll go in 1 And if he dont wanna fight, he should keep himself home that night.

 

[Oblivion]

Who would win in a boxing match, Kobe or Bruce Lee?

 

[keuja]

Now the inescapable Kobe discussion is leaking even in the OT.
This subject is so interesting that it can't be contained in the NBA thread anymore.

 

[midramble]

He won a lot of decisions lol.

The Black Hercules was robbed twice by corrupt judges after he beat him the first time.

Valid point. You still have to admit he was good. One of the greatest, if not "the greatest". Arguably the fastest heavyweight in the game, best foot work, best tactics (Inside and outside the ring, even if questionable), lightning jabs, killer crosses, iron chin that could go the distance with most anyone, a body that can take an eight round clobbering from Big George... and of course the mouth of a millennium. He mastered a wide enough range of boxing keys to at least deserve a place among the tops. Again, not that I like his personality and he definitely isn't my favorite, he deserves a good chunk of his praise.

I love Frazier for the same reason I love Marciano. A truly iron will and relentless persistence. A man that could truly put Ali in his place. Though sometimes I think Marciano could have consistently taken down Ali, and even do it with a sense of humility.

Norton is right up there with him though.

 

[fanboi]

Who would win in a fist fight, EviLore or Bish?

Oh wait, I made that thread already.

 

[Space Avocat]

Pernell Whitaker was also a defensive genius
Highlights of his opponents swinging at air

 

[Randam]

was this posted?

btw.: who is the other one?

 

[Voyevoda007]

btw.: who is the other one?

Ernie Terrell famous "Whats my name fight". This is his face afterwards.

 

[spindashing]

Didn't know that Ali was influenced by Gourgeous George/wrestling. This makes a whole lot of sense now.

That interview posted in this thread was awesome, talk about charisma... Ali's unmatched.

I used to refer to Ali as The Rock before The Rock became The Rock, but Ali's on a whole different level.

 

[strobogo]

Everyone was influenced by Gorgeous George. Ali and Buddy Rodgers stole from him. Billy Graham stole from Ali. Dusty/Hogan/Jesse Ventura/Scott Steiner stole from him. Ric Flair stole from Buddy Rodgers. Then all the dudes Hogan and Flair influenced. So on and so on and so on. You can trace pretty much everyone in sports back to George.


Then you see how guys from other sports straight up use pro wrestling techniques (boxing and MMA mostly, but characters and narratives are definitely used in all sports).

 

[TheJollyCorner]

probably been posted at some point in this thread, but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-478QGV9pc

Ali was quick, elegant, and had power behind his punches, but Tyson in his prime was an absolute monster. His 'peek-a-boo' style defensive boxing was practically impenetrable for years. He wouldn't have allowed Ali to just dance around him, because Tyson was also deceptively quick.

The combination of Cus D'Amato's death and the influence of Don King (and, in turn, fame) really ruined the guy.

 

[2real4tv]

Dude is lucky his head is still attached to his body when tyson hit his chin:

perfection

 

[midramble]

probably been posted at some point in this thread, but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-478QGV9pc

Ali was quick, elegant, and had power behind his punches, but Tyson in his prime was an absolute monster. His 'peek-a-boo' style defensive boxing was practically impenetrable for years. He wouldn't have allowed Ali to just dance around him, because Tyson was also deceptively quick.

The combination of Cus D'Amato's death and the influence of Don King (and, in turn, fame) really ruined the guy.

Yeah, but if Tyson couldn't get you down in the first 3 he'd almost give up. Didn't really have the patience to go the distance. Ali could take the hits and get him in the later rounds. Go for decision like he normally does haha.

 

[F#A#Oo]

Pernell Whitaker was also a defensive genius
Highlights of his opponents swinging at air

That was glorious...

 

[M.D]

 

[Brerlappin]

The fucking power of Foreman is scary, man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZtZlTIglDU

 

[Loki]

The fucking power of Foreman is scary, man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZtZlTIglDU

Foreman may or may not have hit as hard as Tyson, but from the little I've seen Tyson is a much more controlled, precise and technical fighter, both offensively and defensively. From that Foreman vs. Ali video posted earlier, Foreman looks like he has literally almost no technique and is just flailing wildly with haymakers.

 

[iamblades]

Foreman may or may not have hit as hard as Tyson, but from the little I've seen Tyson is a much more controlled, precise and technical fighter, both offensively and defensively. From that Foreman vs. Ali video posted earlier, Foreman looks like he has literally almost no technique and is just flailing wildly with haymakers.

Tyson was a whole lot quicker, which may make it seem he was more precise and technical than the methodical lumbering Foreman, but Foreman's technique and skill are generally underrated. You don't win the title at age 45(and fat) without at least some skills.

Watch Foreman's fights vs Frazier and Norton, both of who were better fighters than anyone Tyson ever beat.

Edit: also watch Foreman vs. Holyfield. Fat old Foreman hurt Holyfield more than Tyson did in both fights combined, and that's counting the ears. :O

 

[Azih]

You really thought a black man, in post civil rights era America, would consent to being called a gorilla?

Even if they agreed to be trash talk do you really think that was appropriate? To the same man who paid helped pay his bills when he was refusing to fight in Indochina?

Ali was a loser.

How come Liston, Patterson, and Foreman didn't hold the same kind of obsessive mean spriited grudge against Ali that Frazier wallowed in then?