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Multiple platforms hurt gaming and gamers - We need a single console future.

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I've been playing videogames since I was 6 or 7, really invested into them, probably my first source of entratainment at home and on my way to elsewhere since my college days.

This gen/last gen I ended up buying the 3 main consoles. I like them all, I use every single one of them quite a lot but I can't help but think that it was a lot of money spent on hardware that felt a bit unnecesary -specially as I see that 360 and PS3 were pretty much identical and that Wii games could perfectly run on either if they could use the Wii remote. I am glad I bought them, they all play awesome games. But I honestly feel ripped off.

As these three consoles expanded the market remarkably, there are more conversations than ever about games as art and games as part of our culture. But I think that there is a crucial difference between games and the rest of what composes pop culture and art: aviavility.

You can go into a store and buy a book, a film and the latest album from your favorite band and you don't have to worry about if they are compatible with your reading skills, your DVD player or your audio equipment. They only "culture container" that puts a restriction around what you can access are museums, but that makes sense since the objects exposed are unique and only and can't be on all museums at the same time, and require security and manteninance labors to be preserved. But this does not apply to games. And still we are forced to choose pay a museum ticket that costs between 250 to 600 $/€ to be allowed to just play a fraction of the existing games they have on display, and you have to stick to it until it stops working unless you have money to spare or you are willing to make a scrifice in your personal economy because you like games so much (what I did). How can so much people consider videogames art if the first choice you have to make regarding them is discriminating wich you won't play, even if you would like to? Would you imagine yourself crossing things out of a list like that with other media? "I bouth a phillips DVD player so I won't be able to see Warner movies" "I bought a Kindle so I wont be able to read P.D. James novesl" "I'm using Firefox, so making a gmail account is out of the question".

I don't think people would roll with this, but when it comes to games, somehow, we do. And it's not like we bear it with resignation. We almost cheer for it, specially younger gamers. As we are forced to make a decision, we make ourselves invested in a harware product, a brand. As there is no right choice when it comes to consoles people just choose based on the games they prefer. The problem comes when other people chooses other console different than ours, questioning our choice. We are invested in our decision and it feels right for us because it is, so this generates a cycle of defending our choices when there is no need to. This is known as "console wars".

Even if we choose consoles based on games, the thing we invested so much in the first place for, we don't spend too much time talking about games. Most talk it's console talk. It's like we walked out of the theather after watching a fantastic musical and all we could talk about was how the venue seats compare to the ones in the venue on the other side of the road. It's fucking retarded. And makes talking about actual games really hard when it should have not. It is detrimental to gamers and keeps them out of being able to enjoy games together to some degree.

It gets in our way playing, it gets in our way when trying to enjoy them as fans of the whole medium and mostly it gets in our wallets way too much. And I can only think of a single console future as the solution.

Somet people think that this "would kill competition, wich is good" but I rather think that it would redirect the competition in a beneficial way: it would be all about the software. I agree that competition is crucial, but I rather have it on the games side, pushing devs to make better games and publishers to not screw with us (because we probably will find an alternative because we could play whatever we want instead of being limited to what each console offer us). Others would arge that companies such as Nintendo or SCE would not make games as good without the need of prividing system sellers. But SCE and Nintendo still have business to run and they only know to make games. And with a much more crowded space and variety, maintaining the quality of their games is the only way they could stand out.Game prices could also be an interesting factor that could fluctuate in a scene when games need to be more competitive insted of just being what's new on your platform of choice this month. Even more interesting would be if this all-game-playing device could access online shops from each publisher for digital purchases, meaning they would be competing with each other for your attention. Wouldn't Virtual Console prices drop if they had to face GOG or Steam on the same platform? I'm inclined to think so.

In the end I have the feeling that multiple platforms are the ultimate anti-consumer practice. I know that this would sound really really naive, specially with mi kindergarden level of english, but I think the law should protect us from this. As an european citizen I dream of the united nations imposing a standard player for videogames. I may be fantasy and it may allways will. But I have the feeling we should ask for it before giving it up. I don't count on people doing it massively, though.

But what about that machine? Wouldn't make us stuck with some old tech forever? Well, it could be changed like we went from tapes to DVD to Blu-ray. But in the future I am not sure it would be even be necesary. There will be allways studios and companies capable of reaching new technical limits but it feels like we're reaching the ceiling right now and good tech is expensive tech. Requires lots of effort from lots of people that need to get payed for extended periods of time. It's clear that budget growth we had since 2006 its not substainable (specially with some CEOs mindset wich is all in AAA or budget mobile game) and maybe pushing the breaks in terms of tech will save some jobs. And it's not like the games we have been playing since 2008 look bad. I honestly struggle to find games don't look good since a handful of years now.

I don't know how the details of this hypothetical console could be like the controller, the OS (Steam OS variation? iOS? Depending on the manufacturer?) but I think it could really help gaming and gamers. Sure Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft would take a hit, but all of them are selling their consoles at loss wich adds to the nonsense in my opinion.

How much of a stupid/desilusional/fool/Nintendo hater/ignorant am I? In wich things you think I am wrong? In wich am I almost right? let's have a conversation here.

TL;DR
  • Can games be considered culture when their aviability is based on hardware possesion?
  • With no multiple consoles, there would not be console wars, improving the quality of the fan conversation and focusing it on games
  • With all comanies focusing on game creation, competition would move entirely to the sofware side possibly leading to a better quality and a wider range of prices.
  • Stablishing a hardware standard would make the graphics race stop, keeping game budgets off being higher and therefore making game studios and companies safer.

Please discuss

EDIT: THIS IS NOT ABOUT HAVING A SINGLE CONSOLE MADE BY A SINGLE COMPANY, IT'S ABOUT HAVING A DEVICE ANY ELECTRONICS MANUFACTURER CAN MAKE THAT PLAYS ALL GAMES RELEASED AFTER IT IS LAUNCHED AKA KILL CONSOLE EXCLUSIVES AND FOCUS THE COMPETITION ON GAMES RATHER THAN HARDWARE.

I think I get what the Op is trying to say.

So instead of having 3 companies compete ting formmarketsharemwith three differing product that, like the movie and music industry, they pool the resources and tech knowledge into a consortium and make a standardised format.

As long as it doesn't go the way of mobile phones and tablets where ere are multiple different flavours it would have potential. But that big thing in the early 80's started by something similar.
 
Ever heard of a monopoly?

Having one 'console' would be a disaster.

Could you imagine if the original vision of the Xbox One was the only console on the market?

Monopolies are bad for consumers and bad for any industry.
 
I think competition is whats most important though. Thats what drives our industry as it does with others. So having a one console only future would be a disadvantage for us as consumers
 
All DVD players play any movie you like and still there is no monopoly. This should work just like that: any electronics company can make their console, but they need to be able to play all games. If this happened I think competition would be redirected to the sofware side, making us the winners of this whole thing.
 
So... who gets the licensing fees?

You know, that chunk of money, the existence of which subsidises the cost of the consoles?
 
It wouldn't work, especially in this industry. Not only would we see an inevitable monopoly, but greediness would escalate to an all time high. You do not want to pay $100 for this game and $80 for all DLC? Where else you gonna' go? Competition is what keeps practically any industry healthy. That is why Apple and Android for example keep on their toes trying to outperform each other with technology and options where in the end of the day is most advantageous to consumers.
 
So... who gets the licensing fees?

You know, that chunk of money, the existence of which subsidises the cost of the consoles?

Everyone does? Isn't that what they do with other media formats like DVD and Bluray?
 
Single platform opens the way for tons of crazy dictatorial shit from the platform holder. We've seen it happen in the past when Nintendo was the de facto only serious platform holder in many places in the 8bit days. So I'm not eager for that to happen again.
 
Ever heard of a monopoly?

Having one 'console' would be a disaster.

Could you imagine if the original vision of the Xbox One was the only console on the market?

Monopolies are bad for consumers and bad for any industry.

The monopoly argument completely destroys the purpose of a single-product industry. I don't even know why this is an argument still.
 
The biggest issue I have with the idea of a single platform future is it'd highlight entirely the problems with a capitalist system. Consoles to this day have always been somewhat closed platforms and propietry hardware itself is a bad thing. The PC however doesn't have this problem more recently outside of OS level software since the majority of recent games will work on the majority of majorly used operating systems, and this is where the freeness of one system works.

Due to the ability of anyone, anywhere being able to set up a software based sales platform there's more of an open free market which leads to more competition for prices. If there was only a single console platform ran by a single company then with the closed systems of today there'd be almost zero competition on price as a single company would run everything. There'd be nobody to force them to change and it's a similar problem to any monopoly in anything.
 
We pretty much have a single console now. X1 and PS4 are close enough we're the differences will only be in the final graphics output like resolution/AA, but the rest of the game can design can remain almost the same. No one will bother with the WiiU.
 
Ha, look at the shit Microsoft (ESPECIALLY MS!!!!!), Sony and Nintendo are pulling and have been pulling. Imagine if one of them dropped out, or two? If anything, we need more competition. These guys are waaaaay too comfortable.

EDIT: Disregard this. I would love what you have proposed but how would be it be enforced? I'd love the one system for everything.
 
All DVD players play any movie you like and still there is no monopoly. This should work just like that: any electronics company can make their console, but they need to be able to play all games.
A full console is not as simple as a DVD player, look at computers, there's no standard in both hardware and operative system, same for smartphones, tablet etc, there are too things involved.
It's not like reproducing a format like a DVD or Blu-Ray player or streaming something like a tv or a radio, it's way more.
 
The monopoly argument completely destroys the purpose of a single-product industry. I don't even know why this is an argument still.

Yup. This is why I didn't trouble myself to read the OP. Anyone who thinks private monopolies will improve gaming is deluded. Competition breeds innovation and keeps bad practices in check. Without competition we would potentially have been staring the original Xbox One vision in the face. Always online, always DRM. No thanks.
 
Ever heard of a monopoly?

Having one 'console' would be a disaster.

Could you imagine if the original vision of the Xbox One was the only console on the market?

Monopolies are bad for consumers and bad for any industry.

Like PS2 era was bad for consumers ?

There's enough competition from PC and mobile markets to make sure consoles need to stay competitive.
 
Even the vaunted personal computer is not a single platform, or standard. It's all a mish mash of stuff and competing OSs.

And yet, somehow you get all sorts of people still talking about some PC master race.

If anything, the last gen showed that it can support two consoles, even more if you consider handhelds and the tablets as a gaming platform.

The main thing people don't like is exclusivity deals, but you know what? It happens, get over it.

And the money paid to get exclusivity either allows the game to be made, or helps offset its expensive production.
 
i'd be ok with it if the console was an open source upgradable hardware spec that anyone could make a version of .
 
That's what I mean, maybe I wasn't clear enough in the opening post.

If it's in regards to no exclusives, that's still a horrible idea. There would be even less of a reason to buy either console now that Yakuza appears on both systems, and once again, kills competition.
 
The only way this can happen is if the Steambox takes off. Multiple vendors, same software. Also multiple digital market places.
 
A full console is not as simple as a DVD player, look at computers, there's no standard in both hardware and operative system, same for smartphones, tablet etc, there are too things involved.
It's not like reproducing a format like a DVD or Blu-Ray player or streaming something like a tv or a radio, it's way more.

That's true that's why I talk about imposing a standard.

I edited the OP so it's a bit more clear what this whole thing is about.

If it's in regards to no exclusives, that's still a horrible idea. There would be even less of a reason to buy either console now that Yakuza appears on both systems, and once again, kills competition.

If we had a device to play all games like I exposed in OP you just wouldn't have to make a choice. You just buy Yakuza or whatever game you want to play, plug it in and play.
 
I disagree with the OP for many reasons.
Plus, the economical advantage of having a single console should be easily skipped by us gamer, saving monery for mediocre games for our favourite (we all have it, admit it!!!) hardware device: do this for 4-5 mediocre games and you'll have the money to purhcase another hardware. Focus only on the best games for each console aaaand, it's done!
 
How much of a stupid/desilusional/fool/Nintendo hater/ignorant am I? Well... Quite a lot.

In wich things you think I am wrong? Well... Everything.

In wich am I almost right? Well... Nothing.
 
I agree, I'd prefer competition in software rather than hardware. There will always be competition from the PC, so the 'monopoly' argument is bullshit. Instead of spending ÂŁ430 on an Xbone to access whatever handful of exclusives it has this gen, I could spend that on games and get more enjoyment.

Hardware competition is bad because: RRoD, rushed/overpriced PS3, death of the experimental B-tier game/studios, divided online competition, overall higher costs for the same # of unit sales for developers (I guess this is the same as death of the B-tier game).

Competition was meant to solve these problems (low quality / overpriced hardware) but it actually worsened them in the rush to compete.

But carry on repeating the hardware competition guys. The best systems of all time were the dominant ones, with good reason.
 
It sounds to me like what you're describing is a living room pc, and you want sony/ms/ninty to go third party on it?
 
Like PS2 era was bad for consumers ?

There's enough competition from PC and mobile markets to make sure consoles need to stay competitive.
wat...

Let me put it to you this way. Where would the PS3 be today if the 360 didn't significantly steal away market share from PlayStation?

Would it have had a harddrive if the Xbox and Xbox 360 didn't? Would it have had PSN? Would it have added an in-game XMB? Would the PS4 today still be using cell?

Where would we be without competition?

I agree, I'd prefer competition in software rather than hardware. There will always be competition from the PC, so the 'monopoly' argument is bullshit. Instead of spending ÂŁ430 on an Xbone to access whatever handful of exclusives it has this gen, I could spend that on games and get more enjoyment.

Hardware competition is bad because: RRoD, rushed/overpriced PS3, death of the experimental B-tier game/studios, divided online competition, overall higher costs for the same # of unit sales for developers (I guess this is the same as death of the B-tier game).

Competition was meant to solve these problems (low quality / overpriced hardware) but it actually worsened them in the rush to compete.

But carry on repeating the hardware competition guys. The best systems of all time were the dominant ones, with good reason.
Yup, something that costs over $800 to make and costs $600 is totes overpriced.

Factually incorrect.

edit; Also, the console and PC market are separate in many regards. Ease of use being a huge factor as to why they appeal to different people.
 
Horrible time to ask for this, or to even be optimistic about it working out in the favor of the consumer after the shit Microsoft tried to pull this gen....

I feel like some people are just burying their heads in the sand. You would have to be nigh insane to see that whole XBONE fiasco and then think to yourself

"IF ONLY WE HAD ONE CONSOLE WITH NO COMPETITION TO WORRY ABOUT GUYS!"
 
Like PS2 era was bad for consumers ?

There's enough competition from PC and mobile markets to make sure consoles need to stay competitive.

The Xbox 1 and Gamecubes were released around the same times.

PS2 was March 2000.
Xbox was 2001.
GC was September 2001.

A year's difference doesn't make it a monopoly, nor does "winning" a generation mean that either. I guess we can call the 360's run a monopoly because, heck, it had some time before the PS3!
 
All DVD players play any movie you like and still there is no monopoly. This should work just like that: any electronics company can make their console, but they need to be able to play all games. If this happened I think competition would be redirected to the sofware side, making us the winners of this whole thing.

Actually, that was the idea behind the 3DO. The 3DO Company didn't actually make hardware; however, they created the spec with which other manufacturers were to make their consoles to. So then you had a Pansonic 3DO player, or a Magnavox 3DO player.

Honestly, I feel the idea is sound. I'm not sure how well it would work from an execution standpoint (i.e., what would a "cheap" GVD player do to make itself cheap?). With that said, the development of the "gaming spec" could be created without any regard for "media" or "social" functionality. That would be where the manufacturers would come in. And you could even get creative integrations, like having TVs or cable boxes ship with PlayStation spec hardware inside of them, so you could literally have an all-in-one box, or you could just have the "gaming box that only plays games".

I agree with you though. A "monopoly" this would not be. There will still be PCs. And maybe every few years you get an "HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray" style "console spec war" or something. But having 3 players, each with their own exclusives is kind of ridiculous.
 
Isn't Valve trying to do what the OP is describing? Just like Google allows many phone manufacturers to make Android phones, Valve would allow many hardware manufacturers to make SteamOS game consoles.
 
It would certainly be the best option. Much more choice and competition in regard to value, specs, etc. since that would set the platforms apart.
 
Isn't Valve trying to do what the OP is describing? Just like Google allows many phone manufacturers to make Android phones, Valve would allow many hardware manufacturers to make SteamOS game consoles.

Yep, it's also by far the best way to go about it. As far as I can tell it's the only viable 'one console future' that will result in more benefits for consumers, not less.
 
Can't say I care too much about the exclusives I can't get. I used to own every console, but this past gen I just went with a 360 and I was fine. But then, I didn't care too much about whether a game was 360 exclusive or not, either. I want to play a fun game when I play a game, and there are plenty of those around.
 
I think I get what the OP is trying to say.

So instead of having 3 companies competing for market share with three differing product that, like the movie and music industry, they pool their resources and tech knowledge into a consortium and make a standardised format.

As long as it doesn't go the way of mobile phones and tablets where there are multiple different flavours it would have potential. But that big thing in the early 80's started by something similar.
 
Well... yeah. Not like the newer consoles are that much different from PCs anyway...right?

You would end up with the same "problems" that make so many console-only gamers afraid of going pc: choosing the optimal hw, configurations etc.

And I also think that the output from Sony and Nintendo would be severely affected
 
Here's a better question, can modern movies, books and music really be considered as art and culture?

Anyway, PC gaming is awesome, I hope that Valve will manage to shake things up and make Windows less and less mandatory for the years to come. PC gaming is great, but being stuck on Windows kinda sucks.
 
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