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Muslim Massacre Game - Islamaphobia or Satire?
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SuperAngelo64
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Happy Ramadan.
SuperAngelo64
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Protip: Muslims aren't a race.
Kill Your Masters
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Oh c'mon.
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There's only a small difference between what you're doing in a game like this, and what you're doing in Call of Duty 4, and many other games set in the Middle East.
True, it was made primarily for the shock-factor.
But the virtual actions your committing are the same.
The only difference is the wrapping.
True, it was made primarily for the shock-factor.
But the virtual actions your committing are the same.
The only difference is the wrapping.
diablopanqueque
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Yeah his comics are shit. I did happen to find #27 hilarious though. Definitely didn't see that one coming.
anandxxx said:
zon said:
Hah, love this subtle innocence people play. Like they are oblivious to whats actually going on.
"I call people names all the time, I dont understand why using nicknames for race should offend anyone"
Its all about context. And this is where it gets messy, between freedom and responsibility
Prine said:
Not to put words in his mouth, but I think he was pointing out how things like Call of Duty involve painting people of middle-eastern origin as universal, one-dimensional badguys whose only intent is war and destruction; where-in you kill literally hundreds of them on your crusade of ultimate good, an at no point does anyone question the morality of this in the context of current real world events.
I mean, Call of Duty 4 had a bloody warcrime against an middle-eastern prisoner of war that they treated as an ultra-cool act. No one questioned it, it wasn't brought up that "Hey, maybe we shouldn't have shot the unarmed guy strapped to the chair in the head after he told us what he needed." It was just assumed it's what you do.
And it really isn't a huge step from that to this. If anything, this is less dangerous as it's so obviously over the top and stupid. The uproar over Call of Duty was minimal at best.
starchild excalibur
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Campster said:
The bid difference is that in games like CoD4, the main goal isn't to inspire or fuel hatred of an entire group of people. You don't kill civilians or anyone who isn't an aggressor. It'd be like saying that games like Medal of Honor fuel hatred for Germans when that just isn't the case. Can someone who has hatred of middle easterners use it as a way of virtually acting out their hatred? Sure. But that isn't what the game is ultimately trying to cater to.
Context is the big issue here. It's what separates games like CoD 4 from games like Muslim Massacre. It's what separates people from taking things in at a surface level and declaring it the same as anything else that shares that superficial skin. The fact that you not only kill terrorists in this game, but also civilians, Muhammad, and then Allah himself completely undermines any argument you (not *you* specifically, campster) can make that this is anything like [insert war game].
Lonewolf_92
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Makes me question where the creator of this "game" draws the line. If this game is acceptable, how about Matanza cofrade? Or KZ Manager (a Nazi deathcamp management sim)? Or how about Super Columbine Massacre RPG! (that game where you play as the Columbine massacre shooters)?
Like i said. Context. COD4 you play as a soldier killing middle eastern guys, but these middle eastern guys were enemies because they followed a terrorist, not for being middle eastern or following a religion.Campster said:
Whats really going on in your head is down to you, but the creators intent is not to promote ethnic cleansing and hate, but to portray a true reality. Theres a HUGE difference between these 2 games. Yes you kill, but its the official reason behind the killings that justify those actions.
And killing people because they happen to be born in one part of the world cannot be justified.
Assassins Creed context was accepted overall as you were killing people on both sides, trying to bring peace to the land. If it were a game played from the perspective of the Muslims, the context would have changed and you would take note. Because on some level you are a bad guy for being white.
Prine said:
So I'm playing innocent because I don't find it more offensive than other video games? Why is this worse than, say, Postal 2? Campster had another good example too (I'll admit I never thought about the scene he mentions in that way either, I just accepted it and kept on playing).
The graphical representation in MMG is on par with c64 games as well, remove the name, the intro, the suicide bombers and the bosses and you might as well be killing computer nerds with a beard, fat ninjas, rambo wannabes and rednecks riding trucks. Shooting models that consist of maybe 100 pixels doesn't really make me think I'm killing innocent muslisms.
Frankly, if the sole purpose of the game is to shock and offend others, then why should I care about it? It's not made with the intent to make muslims look like monsters, the creator only hopes that he'll piss people off with his game.
The only thing that I did find disturbing was the introduction where a fake speech (I hope it's not real) by Bush was played.
Lonewolf_92
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Campster said:
Eh, I don't get riled. I've actually played two of those games I listed. Custer's Revenge doesn't bother me either, and I'm Native American.
"players progress to later levels where they take on Osama bin Laden, Mohammed and finally Allah."
Wow...a videogame where you fight God. Literally fight God, capitalized G God, the one, the only, major monotheistic all knowing, all seeing and creating God.
Along with how obviously stupid that concept is, not to mention the entire game, there's literally no way you should actually be able to beat the game. Fight God...that's kinda pushing it. Making a game about killing people regardless of who they are or where they're from is nothing new, albeit this one takes to a whole 'nother level of stupidity and intolerance, but fighting God...being Muslim that's actually the most insulting part because God is not to be associated with anything of this world, its called "shirk".
So yea...really hard to believe that in this day and age something like this is created by someone who lives in what we call "civilized" society.
Wow...a videogame where you fight God. Literally fight God, capitalized G God, the one, the only, major monotheistic all knowing, all seeing and creating God.
Along with how obviously stupid that concept is, not to mention the entire game, there's literally no way you should actually be able to beat the game. Fight God...that's kinda pushing it. Making a game about killing people regardless of who they are or where they're from is nothing new, albeit this one takes to a whole 'nother level of stupidity and intolerance, but fighting God...being Muslim that's actually the most insulting part because God is not to be associated with anything of this world, its called "shirk".
So yea...really hard to believe that in this day and age something like this is created by someone who lives in what we call "civilized" society.
I AM JOHN!
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Art is sometimes offensive. /thread
zon said:
Your playing innocent to the obvious message this game is trying send.
Interpretation and reasoning is completely dependent on environment, and if your environment was targeted as a threat you would be singing a different tune.
Again, context is key, Postal does not focus on one specific race or group.
Im not offended, but intrigued with peoples reason to pass this off as something else other than the most obvious.
I AM JOHN!
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And thinking something is crap is an emotion, not an absolute.kamorra said:
Prine said:
Well I think it's not quite that simple. I think there's definitely a case to be made that this game can be read either way - as an outlandish example of pro-American values resulting in the deaths of thousands of innocent people, and as a horribly anti-Muslim game that lets genocidal assholes enact their wildest wet dreams.
But the problem is, either way the creator is just looking for attention. If this really is supposed to condemn American ideology and foreign policy it fails by being two-dimensional and about as subtle as a hammer to the face. If it's actually supposed to be anti-Muslim, then hey, it's a horrible ignorant game that we should all just ignore. Either way it's an attempt to gain unwarranted attention by a developer who finds more interest in getting a rise out of people than making something worthwhile.
KTallguy said:
100% correct. The difference is that this game is up front about it, and it's done in a less than serious manner, which seems to be the big problem most people have.
It's like people don't give a crap when something is done in a 'serious' or 'reverent' manner, but satire is shat on these days...
I AM JOHN! said:
It's not a matter of emotion. It's a matter of intent. The creator wasn't setting out to create art, which is obvious from the quotes. The result is about as much 'art' as a picture of a dick drawn on a bathroom stall in magic marker is, which is to say not at all.
I'll concede that the guy's entitled to express himself this way, even though I find it foul. But don't try to play the 'art' card, because it's bullshit.
I just looked at the screenshots, how can anyone take that seriously? If you're offended by it, as far as I'm concerned, it's your problem, nothing in how this game looks can be taken seriously.
Lighten up, people.
And why are you acting like we've never seen this before? Super Columbine Massacre RPG was much more offensive than this.
Lighten up, people.
And why are you acting like we've never seen this before? Super Columbine Massacre RPG was much more offensive than this.
Of All Trades
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Having been a goon for nearly a decade, I've long since come to the obvious conclusion that anything SA does that reaches the mainstream (and isn't an outright criminal act) is pretty much de facto performance art. Getting the Telegraph to print "gently caress"? Pure art.Tellaerin said:
tehrik-e-insaaf
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I hope some "Muslim" doesn't turn around and create a "massacre all Americans" or "massacre all Jews" game now just because some deuchebag created this
Knowing how riled up people get in the Muslim world, I bet its inevitable someone responds with a game like that, then you will have all your ultra-nationalists, religious bigots, and secular fundos coming out tigether in full force and talking about how Vaughn is a hero for exposing the hatred of the Muslim world, and how the War on Terror must be accelerated, death to the evil Muslims, etc. etc.
Of couse, I'm sure games that glamourize violence against Muslims isn't anything new, and Americans certainly have no monopoly over games that glamourize violence over a particular group of people (I have seen far worse things in China, India, Spain, and even Kenya (!)).
Frankly, if we make a big deal about this, the guy who made the game will get what he was after: attention. The best way to silence the bigots is to ignore them.
My suggestion, ignore this and just hope no one takes it a step further.
Knowing how riled up people get in the Muslim world, I bet its inevitable someone responds with a game like that, then you will have all your ultra-nationalists, religious bigots, and secular fundos coming out tigether in full force and talking about how Vaughn is a hero for exposing the hatred of the Muslim world, and how the War on Terror must be accelerated, death to the evil Muslims, etc. etc.
Of couse, I'm sure games that glamourize violence against Muslims isn't anything new, and Americans certainly have no monopoly over games that glamourize violence over a particular group of people (I have seen far worse things in China, India, Spain, and even Kenya (!)).
Frankly, if we make a big deal about this, the guy who made the game will get what he was after: attention. The best way to silence the bigots is to ignore them.
My suggestion, ignore this and just hope no one takes it a step further.
This isn't a game that expresses hatred against Arabs, it's a game that expresses hatred against Islam. Big difference. Fighting members of an organised, evangelical religion is akin to fighting employees of an evil corporation. There is no race involved, so there is no racism involved. And opposing the religious in the game is an expression against the religion itself in the real world. In fact, the player even slays the Abrahamic god at the end. That's an anti-religious statement, not a racist one.
diunxx said:
I hate to publicly admit this and I am sure this quote will be used against me when I inevitably go evil and take out a K-Mart with an uzi, but I applaud the comic's bravery in not being afraid to target children. The first time I read it, I was shocked into laughter by some of that shit. Due to the nature of shock humor, such a response is not very repeatable, but, well, whatever.
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