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Hey everyone. I recently had the opportunity to spend a week snowboarding in St. Anton, Austria. As you can probably tell by my avatar, snowboarding is a huge part of my life. I've ridden all over North America, Australia and parts of Asia. However, this was my first time riding in Europe, and it was a pretty eye-opening experience. In this thread I will talk about my experience and how it differed from the other places I've been over the years.

European skiers are the rudest, most unaware, obnoxious people I've ever dealt with in 20 years of riding.

This floored me. Never in my life have I had such a negative, all around experience with other people on a mountain. The skiers in Europe are incredibly rude. They'll happily smash into your equipment in the lift lines, shove past you to get on a lift or even get a beer, and at one point actually attacked one of my friends while riding up a magic carpet lift. Outside of the lift lines, they have zero awareness of other riders on the hill, and seem to only focus on what is directly ahead of them. I cannot count the amount of times I was almost ran into or had my line cut by some dickhead not paying any attention to what was going on around them. I was blown away by the sheer over-the-top and almost cartoonish rudeness of the European skiers. Nowhere in Canada, America, Australia or India have I ever dealt with anything close to this. Absolutely unreal. I cannot overstate how shocked I was at the attitude displayed on the hill. Zero courtesy, zero kindness, zero awareness.

The Apres-Ski scene is fucking huge

Apparently in Europe, the skiing and riding come in a distant second to the drinking and partying in terms of importance. There are bars everywhere on the hill, and by mid-afternoon they are absolutely packed with people drinking, dancing and singing. It was fucking nuts. People dancing on tables, women of all ages taking their shirts off...just craziness. I also have to give mad props to the staff at these places, who will happily carry trays just loaded with beers and shots-with ease. Some of the trays they were carrying around probably had 100lbs worth of glass and liquid on them, and they're carrying them through incredibly tight and completely drunk crowds of people.

The amount of terrain was mind-blowing

I've ridden the Himalayas. I've ridden the Rockies. I've been to the top of the world more times than I can count, but holy hell the Alps are fucking endless. Lifts everywhere, like, everywhere. There was so much terrain you couldn't ride half of it in a whole season. Going up one side of a mountain, then down the other, only to find out there's another 10 lifts going up even higher in every direction. It never stopped. I couldn't wrap my head around how much there was to ride, how big it was, and how many god damn lifts there were.

Prices were...very reasonable

From the lift tickets and food to the beers and cigarettes, prices seemed standard across the board and were always pretty reasonable. Anybody that's ever skied in Canada (Or Australia especially) knows that once you're on the hill, you're going to gouged. A beer could be five bucks in town but once you're in the village that same beer is going to cost at least twice as much. Not so in Austria. Despite the shitty Canadian dollar screwing me over, I was pleasantly surprised at the prices.

German people cannot handle anything remotely spicy

I thought this was hilarious. I work with a few Germans at my hill back in Canada, and this has kind of become a running joke there; little did I know that this would be a common thing in their home territory. My friend's girlfriend is German and she was almost sweating after trying a salsa that (really, I'm not trying to sound tough) was as mild as ketchup to myself and the other people in the crew (Aussies, Canadians and Brits). Not so much related to skiing or snowboarding, but man I was dying at how weak-tongued the Germans were when it came to food.

Those are the big things that stuck out to me, and other than the first thing I mentioned I had a wonderful time. The Alps are just incredibly beautiful, and even outside of the actual riding it would be a wonderful place to take a holiday. Off the hill, the locals were...maybe not friendly, but kind enough and very accommodating to us anglophones.

Would recommend.
 
I have been riding Alps since I was a wee boy and 99% of the time the people there are very nice to me. I am a skier who skies around with a Tenno Heika Banzai bandana and a Japanese sword so maybe I might receive some respect just from that but mostly people are really cool in Austria, Germany and Italy. They take pictures with me, I take pictures of them, they invite me for drinks, etc.

Of course there are weird people everywhere but I don't remember many instances where somebody would bump into me or shout at me or something, even when I fall I immediately get crowded by people asking me if I'm okay and if I need help with anything.

Probably the biggest problem is that snowboarding in Europe is something like skateboarding here which is associated with ganks and such, so maybe you just fell into that stereotype for most people, I know I am usually very cautious around snowboarders since I had some very bad experiences with them.

Other than that I agree with you, except maybe for the prices, but since I am a lowly Eastern European peasant everything is expensive for me.

I'm glad you enjoyed your holidays, man.
 
You should also visit during the summer, it's really a great place for hiking/trekking. Here's a photo I took in Gran Paradiso last August:

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I definitely agree with your first point, OP. It's unfortunate, but I've had the same personal experience.

I'm a casual skier and snowboarder (I only go every couple of years for a few days with family), but one thing I noticed in my one American trip to the Colorado Rockies is how friendly and positive everyone on the slopes were. It was amazing. Then, earlier this year, we returned to Valtournenche in Italy (both there and Garmisch-Partenkirchen, Germany, are our regular spots), and it wasn't nearly as enjoyable for the reasons you've mentioned. I spend more time constantly worrying about someone else either smashing into me or forcing me to smash into them than I do enjoying the slopes themselves.

It's nice that the other aspects of your trip were enjoyable, though.
 
I have been riding Alps since I was a wee boy and 99% of the time the people there are very nice to me. I am a skier who skies around with a Tenno Heika Banzai bandana and a Japanese sword so maybe I might receive some respect just from that but mostly people are really cool in Austria, Germany and Italy. They take pictures with me, I take pictures of them, they invite me for drinks, etc.

Of course there are weird people everywhere but I don't remember many instances where somebody would bump into me or shout at me or something, even when I fall I immediately get crowded by people asking me if I'm okay and if I need help with anything.

Probably the biggest problem is that snowboarding in Europe is something like skateboarding here which is associated with ganks and such, so maybe you just fell into that stereotype for most people, I know I am usually very cautious around snowboarders since I had some very bad experiences with them.

Other than that I agree with you, except maybe for the prices, but since I am a lowly Eastern European peasant everything is expensive for me.

I'm glad you enjoyed your holidays, man.

This might be true, but honestly, most of us work/have worked at ski resorts and are very friendly, courteous people, especially in the lift lines, and got nothing back but rudeness and attitude.

Don't me wrong, I don't want to harp on this as the rest of the experience was totally awesome, but it really stuck out to me.
 
Did you literally ski all over Europe and have the same experience or are you saying Europeans are all the same from your experience in one place.
 
Sorry to hear that the skiers were so rude in your area. Glad to hear you enjoyed everything else. :)

Apres-Ski is, indeed, very important. It's basically the reason why people go skiing in the first place. :P
 
You should also visit during the summer, it's really a great place for hiking/trekking. Here's a photo I took in Gran Paradiso last August:

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I would definitely check it out in the summer. The whole area was stunningly beautiful, and I've lived in the mountains (In Canada) for most of my adult life. The Alps are some next level shit.

Did you literally ski all over Europe and have the same experience or are you saying Europeans are all the same from your experience in one place.

Well obviously I didn't ski all over Europe, but we covered a lot of ground in Austria and I'm comparing this experience to my two decades of riding in various places all over the world and how radically different it was in this respect.

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Sorry to hear that the skiers were so rude in your area. Glad to hear you enjoyed everything else. :)

Apres-Ski is, indeed, very important. It's basically the reason why people go skiing in the first place. :P

Seriously. I come from a culture where the riding is the most important part, and the partying is a bonus. Including Whistler, which is notorious for the latter, the Euro scene for Apres-ski was fucking insane.
 
I spent a whole season riding in Italy a while back and I had pretty much the opposite experience with on-mountain etiquette, it seemed only some non-locals were rude and obnoxious.
 
idk man CDN dollar not going far

I mean yeah, the dollar sucking definitely stung a bit, but if this were any other time the prices would have been great. What really impressed me was the consistency, everywhere in town and on the hill pretty much had the same prices across the board, which was really cool. Plus, European prices on booze and smokes fucking rock. Two bottles of half decent wine for €7 and smokes (with a lighter or matches) for €6 is great even with a garbage dollar.
 
spend a week snowboarding in St. Anton, Austria

Zero courtesy, zero kindness, zero awareness.

ah, Austrians being Austrians, warms my heart it does. We have no regard for the weak, my friend

too bad I hate winter sports

The Alps are just incredibly beautiful, and even outside of the actual riding it would be a wonderful place to take a holiday

agreed, I love the Alps - in summer, at t-shirt weather temperatures
 
ah, Austrians being Austrians, warms my heart it does. We have no regard for the weak, my friend

too bad I hate winter sports



agreed, I love the Alps - in summer, at t-shirt weather temperatures

The only thing weak was the calibre of skiing.

Heyoooo.
 
I've only been to Val Thorens, but yeah, the skiing and boarding is just a daytime activity between partying.
 
Don't know how it is in other parts of the world, but Austria can be damn crowded on the slopes during high season. With a lot of people not watching and just racing downhill with little skill. Sometimes ruins the experience a little, but it's still fun.

Amount of times I have seen kids getting knocked over by people not looking where they were going is amazing.
I'm so glad helmets are now required mostly everywhere because of this.
 
I can attest to the hmm, not rudeness but shocking lack of awareness on some European mountains.

Regularly ski/board on the Grand Massif in France and the route through pistes are incredibly crowded and often very narrow (cliff wall on one side, cliff drop on the other) and the lack of common courtesy is amazing.

Amount of times I have seen kids getting knocked over by people not looking where they were going is amazing.
 
Yep, been skiing in the Alps since I was a kid. Heading to La Tania next month and am doing a season next year after I finish University.

I understand you're complaint about rudeness on the slopes/queuing for the lifts. People can be obnoxious but what are you gunna do.
 
Oh, and another thing.

Man Euro's love their groomers. There was almost nobody riding off-piste! Madness! That's where all the fun shit is.
 
Hah reminds me of the first time I was skiing in Austria. We went for lunch at this cabin about halfway down the slope and even though we were only 13/14 and the Dutch guys running the place would only serve us shots of Jager. Dunno how we all made it down the slope after 4/5 hours there each day. Did make the nights even crazier though.
 
Hah reminds me of the first time I was skiing in Austria. We went for lunch at this cabin about halfway down the slope and even though we were only 13/14 and the Dutch guys running the place would only serve us shots of Jager. Dunno how we all made it down the slope after 4/5 hours there each day. Did make the nights even crazier though.

Maybe everybody was so shitty at skiing and unaware because they were hammered lol.

It all makes sense now.
 
What do you mean? Is it an Austrian thing?

St Anton just has a reputation for being a tourist trap for Germans and rich Russians. Although I am not really into winter sports from what I hear from friends there are nicer places where you can go where it is not that crowded and a bit more civilized.
 
St Anton just has a reputation for being a tourist trap for Germans and rich Russians. Although I am not really into winter sports from what I hear from friends there are nicer places where you can go where it is not that crowded and a bit more civilized.

Are you saying the rudeness is a German/ Russian thing? Oo

EDIT: Now that I think about it, it is probably a German thing.
 
St Anton just has a reputation for being a tourist trap for Germans and rich Russians. Although I am not really into winter sports from what I hear from friends there are nicer places where you can go where it is not that crowded and a bit more civilized.

Ahhh, gotchya. Didn't seem super crowded, but with that much terrain you'd be hard pressed to fill it with people.
 
This thread is kind of mad. Started off about snowboarding. Then went to Europeans are rude, the calling people from Europe Euro's. Changes to German and Russians are the rude ones.
 
This thread is kind of mad. Started off about snowboarding. Then went to Europeans are rude,the calling people from Europe Euro's. Changes to German and Russians are the rude ones.

That one may have only been me. I'm just lazy.
 
St. Anton huh

The levels of apres-ski differ from town to town, but some people take it much more serious than their skiing indeed...

With regards to the rudeness; as you said, the areas are huge so look for the pistes with the least amount of people on it.

I'd rather have some fast runs on good snow in the less exciting outer areas instead of waiting in line for the lift with all the semi-drunks on the icy slopes of the popular areas ;)

Went to Ischgl a couple of weeks ago with some friends (50/50 board ski) and the only time it got crowded for us was during the descent back to town at the end of the day. Combined with the less favorable conditions at that time of day this leaves only very little space to ski, which can get too close for comfort at times if you don't take it really slow.

But it also matters a lot in which week you're visiting. We've been doing mid-week during the mid-season (early January) for the last couple of years...

Oh, and another thing.

Man Euro's love their groomers. There was almost nobody riding off-piste! Madness! That's where all the fun shit is.

you usually see some locals skiing between the pistes. I feel that going truly off-piste would have been pretty fucking stupid with the high temperatures this winter :)


Also this is anecdotal but my snowboarding friends definitely think the amount of younger snowboarders seems to be decreasing, i.e. skis are becoming more popular again with the kids/teens. Then again we've been going to Austria instead of France for the past two years so that might also be a factor...
 
I really want to go snowboarding again (I live in the UK) but I haven't been since I went on a school trip when I was 16 :(

someone be snowboarding friends with me
 
St. Anton huh

The levels of apres-ski differ from town to town, but some people take it much more serious than their skiing indeed...

With regards to the rudeness; as you said, the areas are huge so look for the pistes with the least amount of people on it.

I'd rather have some fast runs on good snow in the less exciting outer areas instead of waiting in line for the lift with all the semi-drunks on the icy slopes of the popular areas ;)

Went to Ischgl a couple of weeks ago with some friends (50/50 board ski) and the only time it got crowded for us was during the descent back to town at the end of the day. Combined with the less favorable conditions at that time of day this leaves only very little space to ski, which can get too close for comfort at times if you don't take it really slow.

But it also matters a lot in which week you're visiting. We've been doing mid-week during the mid-season (early January) for the last couple of years...



you usually see some locals skiing between the pistes. I feel that going truly off-piste would have been pretty fucking stupid with the high temperatures this winter :)


Also this is anecdotal but my snowboarding friends definitely think the amount of younger snowboarders seems to be decreasing, i.e. skis are becoming more popular again with the kids/teens. Then again we've been going to Austria instead of France for the past two years so that might also be a factor...

I teach snowboarding back in Canada and I agree 100%. Skiing is seeing a huge comeback, especially in regards to park/back-country stuff. Which is fine with me, brings snowboarding back to the tighter, smaller community it used to be. At the end of the day, we're all out playing in the snow so it doesn't matter. I do a lot of riding at the hill I work at with skiers. Helps boost my riding because I have to go harder and faster to keep up with them.
 
Oh, and another thing.

Man Euro's love their groomers. There was almost nobody riding off-piste! Madness! That's where all the fun shit is.

Off Piste is super fun but the temperatures and thin snow haven't really made it viable for people.

Coming back in with a ten inch groove on the bottom of your board because of rocks is always shitty.
 
I really want to go snowboarding again (I live in the UK) but I haven't been since I went on a school trip when I was 16 :(

someone be snowboarding friends with me

I want to get back into it and back into getting fit. I broke my wrist and thumb just over a year back but I am still recovering.
 
Off Piste is super fun but the temperatures and thin snow haven't really made it viable for people.

Coming back in with a ten inch groove on the bottom of your board because of rocks is always shitty.

Haha. There were a lot of dings, busted edges and two broken boards in the crew from the past week. I rode my nice deck for two days before switching back to my shitty jib-deck because I was so worried about fucking up the former.
 
Sadly have to agree with your first point OP. My first three times boarding were in Europe and the bad attitude my friends and I recieved was ridiculous. This would have been in the early 2000s so maybe boarders were viewed as pests by more of the old guard than they are now (I don't think being English helped either).

I was completely taken aback on my first trip to Canada (Banff). Everyone was so damn nice, the level of civility shown in lift queues was a night-and-day difference. Had pretty much the exact same experience in Fernie and Whistler. I've been back to Europe since, but usually on a last-minute deal or similar. Given the option I will always go for North America despite it costing way more to travel, because the on-hill experience is just so much more pleasant.

Damn, talking about it makes me sad I haven't been able to get out this year.
 
Interesting. Maybe I should dress as an SS officer next time I hit the slopes with Harry

/s

Well, that wouldn't be much of a surprise. A month ago I was skying in Austria and I saw about 20 kids going down hill in a formation and every time they went left they shouted "Zieg!" and when they went right they shouted "Heil!" and this way they went all the way down.
 
Sadly have to agree with your first point OP. My first three times boarding were in Europe and the bad attitude my friends and I recieved was ridiculous. This would have been in the early 2000s so maybe boarders were viewed as pests by more of the old guard than they are now (I don't think being English helped either).

I was completely taken aback on my first trip to Canada (Banff). Everyone was so damn nice, the level of civility shown in lift queues was a night-and-day difference. Had pretty much the exact same experience in Fernie and Whistler. I've been back to Europe since, but usually on a last-minute deal or similar. Given the option I will always go for North America despite it costing way more to travel, because the on-hill experience is just so much more pleasant.

Damn, talking about it makes me sad I haven't been able to get out this year.

If you're ever in the Kootenays (bout three hours West of Fernie) hit me up and I'll show you around!
 
Eh, I don't remember people being that rude, but I usually was skiing in Italy.

Also, all of that and no calling out of shit music at ski bars? Or has it changed since I last time went skiing a few years ago?
 
OP you seem to have some perspective & I enjoyed reading your write-up.

It's been years since I went for a winter holiday, there's a lot I miss about it.
 
I'm not sure how to put it... but isn't skiing etc mostly a "wealthier people"-sport outside "Europe"?
As you mentioned, the prices (in St. Anton) were fairly reasonable, also partly because this is a serious political agenda with some politicians... basically keeping it affordable for middle and lower class families. It's basically the one of the cheapest forms of holidays you can have.
therefore you should expect to encounter a lot of people who aren't really there for skiing but just to enjoy themselves
 
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