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[Baby Milo]

if i lived in cali i would vote no

 

[Tornado Condor]

I will be voting yes on 8.

And I'm proud

 

[jamesinclair]

Vote yes on high speed rail and no on the abortion one as well

 

[Karakand]

if Californians where a race

Well I see you enjoyed the hospitality of our public education system.

 

[gdt]

I honestly don't know if people are joking when they say "Yes" in this thread. I cant people believe people have a problem with gay marriage at all.

 

[Blackface]

The fact the government rules over a religious matter, is completely and utterly stupid in my book. The founding fathers of America were secularists, and believed in the fact Government and God(whatever invisible man you choose to worship) should be separate. It's as simple as that.

The reason I would vote yes ( and keep in mind I live in Toronto), would be because everyone deserves equal rights. I would also vote to change the term from Marriage to "partnership" as it pertains to the government. Marriage should be something that happens at a Church or your place of worship, and a Partnership should happen in the eyes of the government (so you can get your tax breaks or whatever benefits it may bring). The government gives certain incentives to married couples, so it does not make sense for gays to be disallowed this right.

That would mean government is meddling in religious affairs, which would have someone like Thomas Jefferson turning around in his grave.

If a Church refuses to give you a service, that is their right as a religious institution. However, in the eyes of the government everyone should be on equal footing.

 

[gdt]

I will be voting yes on 8.

And I'm proud

Not trying to offend you, but why are you voting Yes? Is if for religious reasons? If not, then what?

 

[brain_stew]

The fact the government rules over a religious matter, is completely and utterly stupid in my book. The founding fathers of America were secularists, and believed in the fact Government and God(whatever invisible man you choose to worship) should be separate. It's as simple as that.

The reason I would vote yes ( and keep in mind I live in Toronto), would be because everyone deserves equal rights. I would also vote to change the term from Marriage to "partnership" as it pertains to the government. Marriage should be something that happens at a Church or your place of worship, and a Partnership should happen in the eyes of the government (so you can get your tax breaks or whatever benefits it may bring). The government gives certain incentives to married couples, so it does not make sense for gays to be disallowed this right.

That would mean government is meddling in religious affairs, which would have someone like Thomas Jefferson turning around in his grave.

If a Church refuses to give you a service, that is their right as a religious institution. However, in the eyes of the government everyone should be on equal footing.

Except this isn't a religious matter.

 

[Phoenix]

I'm a gay man living in America, in San Francisco. A lot of my friends are gay, and a lot of them are happily married, legally. When California ruled on May 15 that barring the word "marriage" from homosexual couples is unconstitutional, many of the people I know were finally, after years of devotion and commitment, were allowed to wed the one they love.

Kenny and Jimmy, a middle-aged couple who have been together for fifteen years, married last month in a private ceremony attended by only their closest friends. Roberto and Tom, together for twenty five years, marrying next Wednesday. Jim and John, twenty years: marrying tomorrow. These couples are some of my friends, and they spend every waking moment together.

If Prop 8 passes on November 4th, I may not have the right to marry the person I love.

That is not right.

Please dig deep down inside of your soul and think about what you're doing before you vote "Yes" on Prop 8. Do you have any idea what "love" is? It's a feeling. You can't explain it, it just is. We ALL know that. Who do you love? For what reasons? Does this person make you feel special? Why?

Please vote "No" on Prop 8, GAF. I beg you.

I wish I was able to vote for that to help you out. If you know of an organization that is taking funds to assist with this, post it here so I can donate. While I'm not entirely sure that gay/lesbian marriage is going to be or even should perceived the same way as heterosexual unions, we need to at least get beyond some of the limitations that people are artificially trying to impose.

 

[Guybrush Threepwood]

I will be voting yes on 8.

And I'm proud

I'm wondering how this is any different than being proud of voting for a proposition that would ban interracial marriage.

 

[Fantastical]

the argument would go, you can't choose your sex or your ethnicity, or the color of your skin.

But you can choose your sexual orientation.

Besides, like someone mentioned above, Prop 8 doesn't take away the rights to love someone.

I literally thought this was sarcastic. *sigh*

 

[ixix]

If you know of an organization that is taking funds to assist with this, post it here so I can donate.

Seconded. There's not a whole lot I can do vote-wise out in the ass-end of the middle of nowhere, but I can at least send a few bills down towards Equality Way.

 

[Terrell]

Just move to Canada, fellas, we respect your rights here. Heck, our gay marriage legislation passed in the first run through parliament and the senate without any major fuss (Tory posturing aside). And considering that most provinces had already made it lawful on their own accord by then anyways, popular vote would make sure that anyone in power who tries to revoke the Civil Marriage Act who be voted out of power in a heartbeat (hence why our Republican-Junior government hasn't tried to take it away)

SERIOUSLY, move to Canada.

 

[Tornado Condor]

Not trying to offend you, but why are you voting Yes? Is if for religious reasons? If not, then what?

Well religious reasons? not really

I just think, just like castle007 said, marriage should be between a man and a woman.

 

[Artanisix]

I live in Sacramento. Voting no, as are all my friends.

 

[ZeoVGM]

I wish I lived there to vote 'no'.

Anyone who would vote 'yes', simply disgusts me as a human being.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

I will be voting yes on 8.

And I'm proud

I'll be voting no on 8.

And I'm proud.

Looks like your vote has been cancelled out...WHETHER YA LIKE IT OR NOT!!!

 

[ten5ive9ine]

I voted no.

 

[Hero]

Emphasis on peach, not cobbler.

 

[ronito]

btw, am I the only one who's noticed that the pro-prop 8 ads on this page only have white people in them? OMG RACISTS!!

 

[C.Dark.DN]

Well religious reasons? not really

I just think, just like castle007 said, marriage should be between a man and a woman.

Why do you "just think" this? Give an in depth logical reason that you want to help a huge population from being connected through marriage. Why is that something to be proud of?

 

[BlackMage]

Well religious reasons? not really

I just think, just like castle007 said, marriage should be between a man and a woman.

yeah and I think blacks and whites should be segregated. no real reason that affects me, that's just the way I think.

 

[NullPointer]

Another SF gaffer here, and believe me if I could vote NO on this thing twice I would.

 

[AmMortal]

I will be voting yes on 8.

And I'm proud

This, if i could.

 

[Red Scarlet]

:lol I was tempted to post that picture as an initial reply, too.

 

[Gallbaro]

Vote Yes on High Speed Rail:

This will affect the country a shit load also.

 

[Angry Grimace]

If you vote yes on it, you are voting solely to revoke rights from others, while gaining zero tangible benefit.

i.e. you are a failbot

 

[Artie]

This.

Aren't you a European, and a prominent Muslim (ergo against homosexuality)? The people in this thread who are against this seem kind of homogeneous.

If I was in California, I would definitely vote no. The fact that this is even a discussion says a lot about our culture.

 

[speculawyer]

Passing Prop 8 doesn't deny you the opportunity to love whomever you choose.

You are unworthy of your user id.

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[ryutaro's mama]

Vote Yes on High Speed Rail:

This will affect the country a shit load also.

Read the prop, man.

There's no guarantee that the money will go to the Speed Rail.

It's a no for me.

 

[AmMortal]

Aren't you a European, and a prominent Muslim (ergo against homosexuality)? The people in this thread who are against this seem kind of homogeneous.

If I was in California, I would definitely vote no. The fact that this is even a discussion says a lot about our culture.

I thought his post said If i could.:lol But if i could, i would vote yes and be proud of it.

 

[Artie]

I thought his post said If i could.:lol But if i could, i would vote yes and be proud of it.

You're proud of denying people basic human rights?

OK

 

[speculawyer]

I will be voting yes on 8.

And I'm proud

Proud bigotry? Palin fan too?

 

[BlackMage]

I don't care what anyone says. If you are against gay marriage, you are a bigot, plain and simple.

 

[laserbeam]

You're proud of denying people basic human rights?

OK

marriage is a basic human right? Well okay then yes I am Proud of it.

Marriage is a religious institution. Civil Unions and Justice of the Peace Weddings are Government institutions that provide all the benefits of marriage. And I will be voting yes on Prop 102 in AZ to amend the State Constitution.

 

[Rorschach]

I'm not a big fan of the Nick, but of course I'm voting No.

I hope these horrible "Yes on 8" ads are doing nothing but making people realize how bigoted it is and it loses by a landslide.

 

[Triz]

no vote from me. I dont want to judge people for how they live thier life, no one judges mine cause Its considered "normal." Gay people deserve that right as well.

 

[TheHeretic]

Proud bigotry? Palin fan too?

Just a proud Muslim, though theres very little difference to discern.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Marriage is a religious institution.

newsflash

There are other religions in the world than the one you practice. Most of them have marraige and not all them hate the gays.

 

[ronito]

marriage is a basic human right? Well okay then yes I am Proud of it.

Marriage is a religious institution. Civil Unions and Justice of the Peace Weddings are just that Government institutions. And I will be vting yes on Prop 102 in AZ to amend the State Constitution.

Let's take you at your word then.

IF (as you say) Marriage is a religious institution then why alter a civic constitution? Logic would say that government then would have nothing to do marriage if you held this stance. Let religions marry whom they will. It's not a government institution.

 

[speculawyer]

False. Proposition 8 does not take away any of the rights of gay couples under domestic partnership laws. Hospital visitation rights, legal benefits, you name it, are all protected equally by law, regardless of race, creed, or orientation.

1) This is not true . . . why would this be an issue if everything was exactly the same?

2) Going back to "seperate but equal" . . . the REAL Atticus Finch is disgusted by your bigotry.

 

[Artie]

marriage is a basic human right? Well okay then yes I am Proud of it.

Marriage is a religious institution. Civil Unions and Justice of the Peace Weddings are Government institutions that provide all the benefits of marriage. And I will be voting yes on Prop 102 in AZ to amend the State Constitution.

No? I'm talking about the benefits TO marriage--hospital visitation rights, tax exemptions; all that good stuff that comes with being married to you partner. Also...marriage is a religious institution? Since when? What religion started it?

Amazing that people in this day and age want to purposely hurt another being with votes like these.

 

[miyamotofreak]

I know. That is what makes your "no switching between straight, gay, and bi" argument so ridiculous. You claim you can't switch between them, but (excuse me for what you may call my Christian, narrow-minded, bigot mentality) isn't being bi-sexual switching back and forth between your sexual preference? It just seems like an "a-la-carte" sort of mentality to me.

Dude...

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

What government needs to do is remove marriage as a legal term altogether.

You can only get civil unions through the government. Marriage will simply be a colloquial term, with ceremonies performed by your religion of choice (or not religion... whatever).

In otherwords, if gays don't get to use the term in a legally defined manner, then no one else should.

 

[speculawyer]

marriage is a basic human right? Well okay then yes I am Proud of it.

Marriage is a religious institution. Civil Unions and Justice of the Peace Weddings are Government institutions that provide all the benefits of marriage. And I will be voting yes on Prop 102 in AZ to amend the State Constitution.

Your logic fails . . . You seem to be saying that a Justice of the Peace Wedding is not getting married. It is. FAIL.

 

[YakiSOBA]

I would vote "No" for you, but people like GreatnessGone who go way overboard and sometimes even seems like he is trying to spite us for not being gay ruined it!

 

[SRG01]

Why not? Marriage, in its origin, is entirely a religious right of passage.

No. Regardless of its origins, marriage right now serves a strong legal purpose in the eyes of the government. It defines sharing of property, income, various rights and responsibilities, and so forth. Marriage between two peoples perhaps has a stronger legal standing than even contract law.

As a secular institution, marriage cannot be denied to rightful citizens and peoples simply because of their sexual orientation. Religious institutions cannot cry "but we had it first!" and claim ownership to it simply because they "invented" it. It's been thousands of years and the world has changed. Marriage now belongs to the people and it should not be denied to those who wish to partake in it.

edit: Re: Civil Unions.

I cannot in good conscience support the concept of civil unions as it is a dilution of a valuable institution of society. If you're legally able to grant marriages, you should be bound to give it to anyone who requests it. Allowing ministers to "opt-out" because of religious beliefs turns the entire concept of marriage into a farce, as they're able to deny a marriage for their own beliefs and not the beliefs of others.

 

[AtticusFinch]

You are unworthy of your user id.

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If anything, my views on prop 8 make me more worthy of my user id.

 

[miyamotofreak]

What government needs to do is remove marriage as a legal term altogether.

You can only get civil unions through the government. Marriage will simply be a colloquial term, with ceremonies performed by your religion of choice (or not religion... whatever).

In otherwords, if gays don't get to use the term in a legally defined manner, then no one else should.

Agreed.

 

[my name is ed]

You are unworthy of your user id.

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