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[dr3upmushroom]

It's horrible when overweight women decide to wear clothes that is obviously not made for their size. Not only that but these women seem to have the bitchiest of attitudes as if they are permanently pissed at the world. I even overheard one the other day at Union picking apart women that passed by, pretty much all were fit and better looking than her. I think it's a growing trend.

Ugh, worst type of people. To me, people who are fat out of laziness are basically like smokers or alcoholics. I probably don't want to sit by you on a bus, it's going to be a real hurdle in any relationship we might have, and I'm probably going to think less of you even if we do become friends, but as long as you're only hurting yourself I'm not indignant about it.

However, have some perspective about it. If you choose not to exercise and to eat shit, dress accordingly. Of course, I guess it's kind of a Catch 22 because if fat people had the required introspective ability to dress appropriately they'd probably stop killing themselves prematurely, but still, every time I see a girl with a huge gut in a skin-tight shirt I have to wonder what they're thinking when they look at themselves.

Honestly I think the whole "It's becoming more acceptable to be overweight" thing goes hand in hand with the talk you hear about the increasing number of man-babies. I'm 22 and a senior in college, and I'm shocked on a weekly basis by my classmates' unwillingness to accept responsibility for their actions or work for anything. I'm totally with all the people who accuse my generation (kids five or so years younger than me to a greater extent, but still plenty of kids my age) of being overly coddled and totally unable to face the real world. While genetics and media portrayal definitely play a disgusting role in perception of weight in our society, a lot of people just really like ice cream and cake and can't be bothered to exercise, and just like they'll blame their failing test grade on a teacher not explaining something to them (even though they could have easily asked for clarification), they blame the extra ten pounds they're carrying on the prevalence of HFCS, or the cheap price of fast food, or their schedule being too packed to exercise, etc.

OP, the problem is the apparent unwillingness of people to understand that body composition and hunger is regulated by the brain just like body temperature, and that certain environmental and dietary factors can put this system into disorder. The attitude "fat people just aren't trying hard enough" if anything makes the problem worse because it diverts attention away from the biological causes and replaces it with blame.

I agree with this to an extent, but I really do believe there's just a lot of grown children out there who were never forced to eat their vegetables. It's kind of like the ADD thing, on one hand going around saying that a ridiculous number of kids are being wrongly diagnosed could hamper research of ADD if it's perceived that it's not a "real" disease, but on the other hand if a ton of kids really are being wrongfully diagnosed, you need to point out that they're just being kids.

Media portrayal of "attractive" people certainly makes it difficult for tons of people to be comfortable with their natural body size, but I don't think you can look at how much the average weight in the US has gone up over the last few decades and reasonably conclude that it's all body composition.

 

[njean777]

But what I'm getting at is that this isn't a breakthrough, here. I'm not saying you're wrong. However, I would also argue that you're not arguing anything that's profound. You could say "I'm not going to overeat!" You could say "I'm going to stop procrastinating!" You could say "I'm going to strive to do better with my finances!" Yes, these things can be done. And once you've actually done them and you look back, you can even concede that it really wasn't that difficult. However, the fact that it can be that easy doesn't mean that it always is.

Also, I think you're looking at your current position and being somewhat naive as to the challenges that can be faced. I'm not trying to put you on the spot or anything, but if you can't understand why this whole ordeal can be considered a challenge for some, I don't understand why you needed to go on a two and a half year journey to get in shape to get down from being over 300 lbs. If it's that easy, why did you even need to get in shape? Why weren't you always in shape?

And those are primarily rhetorical questions. I don't really care about your answers, as I think your position -- though admirable in the current state -- is somewhat disingenuous.

I was out of shape due to my parents not showing me the right way to eat, but I don't blame them. I blame me for not doing my own HW. I had to do it because it needed to be done, its not for any reason in particular other then it made me happier as a person. It can be tough to start, but in order to keep the progression going you have to tell yourself it can be done. The reason I say it isn't that hard is due to the fact that I have done it, I have personal experience with this whole ordeal and looking back even at the beginning it wasn't hard. I am not being disingenuous due to the fact that it has happened to me.

TBH it seems you are overweight and want to make it look harder then it actually is to lose weight. No offenses but it isn't a climb up mt.everest. You seem to want to make excuses for the people that find it tough, which is fine you are playing devils advocate. But do not make it out to be something that it isn't. ITs not hard to do it, sure you have to change your life around, but tbh if you are overweight you probably should do that anyways.

 

[Dali]

I was a typical fatass american. So I reduced my portions and lost 60 lb. Never going back.



http://blogs.webmd.com/pamela-peeke-md/2010/01/just-what-is-an-average-womans-size-anymore.html

Damn, that sucks. Also depressing is when you see a girl that'd be fine if only she weren't fat. I know this Eritrean girl who would be absolutely drop dead beautiful if not for the fact that she's fat. Not hideously bloated fat, but fat nonetheless. Like Oprah. I can't help but think if she'd have spent a little more time in Eritrea before her parents moved here, she'd have developed better eating habits or at least wouldn't have been raised in an environment that treats her size as acceptable.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

I was out of shape due to my parents not showing me the right way to eat, but I don't blame them. I blame me for not doing my own HW. I had to do it because it needed to be done, its not for any reason in particular other then it made me happier as a person. It can be tough to start, but in order to keep the progression going you have to tell yourself it can be done. The reason I say it isn't that hard is due to the fact that I have done it, I have personal experience with this whole ordeal and looking back even at the beginning it wasn't hard. I am not being disingenuous due to the fact that it has happened to me.

TBH it seems you are overweight and want to make it look harder then it actually is to lose weight. No offenses but it isn't a climb up mt.everest. You seem to want to make excuses for the people that find it tough, which is fine you are playing devils advocate. But do not make it out to be something that it isn't. ITs not hard to do it, sure you have to change your life around, but tbh if you are overweight you probably should do that anyways.

I don't really think the nuance I'm arguing is getting through. I have agreed that it's easy. I've also just argued that -- though many people such as yourself have maintained the discipline -- it's also very easy to slip up and drop one's guard. That's it. That's all I'm arguing.

I don't think people should encourage that it's okay to be fat. However, I also don't think hollow, self-help-guru type platitudes from people who overcame adversity really read as well as some people like to think.

I smoked cigarettes for ten years. I haven't had a cigarette in about a year. And it really hasn't been all that difficult. However, I'm not going to extrapolate my own experience and tell smokers who have tried and failed to quit that it's easy just because I did. To do so is kind of arrogant, you see? Not everyone is the same with all of their vices.

 

[Alucrid]

I still don't get what that guy was after when he was saying that it's not right to judge people because they're fat. Hey, everyone judges everyone based on their appearance. You might not like it but we all do it. Whether you're short, tall, black/white/asian/etc., fat, skinny, wearing skinny jeans, wearing baggy jeans, wearing no jeans, people judge you based on your appearance. Is it right? Maybe, maybe not, but it sure as hell does happen and we all do it.

 

[njean777]

I don't really think the nuance I'm arguing is getting through. I have agreed that it's easy. I've also just argued that -- though many people such as yourself have maintained the discipline -- it's also very easy to slip up and drop one's guard. That's it. That's all I'm arguing.

I don't think people should encourage that it's okay to be fat. However, I also don't think hollow, self-help-guru type platitudes from people who overcame adversity really read as well as some people like to think.

I smoked cigarettes for ten years. I haven't had a cigarette in about a year. And it really hasn't been all that difficult. However, I'm not going to extrapolate my own experience and tell smokers who have tried and failed to quit that it's easy just because I did. To do so is kind of arrogant, you see? Not everyone is the same with all of their vices.

Oh I know it is arrogant, but I was only telling my experience. I don't go around and call fat people fat, but if they start complaining about being big I have no sympathy.

 

[Trent Strong]

Great OP. I completely agree.

 

[saunderez]

As previously ridiculously obese person (130kg+) who lost 40kg and kept the vast majority of that off I completely agree with the OP. You need to take control of your own body. If you're relatively young its very easy to do, your metabolism is just waiting for a wake up call. I lost my weight simply by reducing portions and doing 30 mins of exercise 3 times a week. Nothing more strenuous than that.

 

[Etrian Oddity]

As previously ridiculously obese person (130kg+) who lost 40kg and kept the vast majority of that off I completely agree with the OP. You need to take control of your own body. If you're relatively young its very easy to do, your metabolism is just waiting for a wake up call. I lost my weight simply by reducing portions and doing 30 mins of exercise 3 times a week. Nothing more strenuous than that.

Seriously, it isn't that hard. Simply replace 2/3 your daily meals with salads (NO RANCH GODDAMMIT), cut fried shit and sodas, and keep a log of your caloric and carbohydrate intake.

If you add an exercise--god forbid, something like P90x--you WILL slim down. It's damned near indisputable. Unless you are in that extremely small minority where it truly is a thyroid issue, obesity is entirely due to lifestyle and/or lack of discipline.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Seriously, it isn't that hard. Simply replace 2/3 your daily meals with salads (NO RANCH GODDAMMIT), cut fried shit and sodas, and keep a log of your caloric and carbohydrate intake.

If you add an exercise--god forbid, something like P90x--you WILL slim down. It's damned near indisputable. Unless you are in that extremely small minority where it truly is a thyroid issue, obesity is entirely due to lifestyle and/or lack of discipline.

The thing is, that will work in the short term, but what happens once you lose the weight? Do you really see yourself eating salad for damn near 70% of all of your meals and logging your caloric intake for the rest of your life?

I much prefer a style that consists of eating until you are full from a wide variety of delicious foods without counting anything. That's something I can sustain for the rest of my life.

 

[saunderez]

The thing is, that will work in the short term, but what happens once you lose the weight? Do you really see yourself eating salad for damn near 70% of all of your meals and logging your caloric intake for the rest of your life?

If you diet sensibly it will eventually just turn into habit. I don't have to think about what I'm eating to maintain my weight anymore I've been doing it for so long. At worst I've deviated +/- 5kg over the course of a year which isn't too bad.

 

[Zoe]

Seriously, it isn't that hard. Simply replace 2/3 your daily meals with salads (NO RANCH GODDAMMIT), cut fried shit and sodas, and keep a log of your caloric and carbohydrate intake.

Salads are fucking boring. I can't even go two days in a row.

 

[Srsly]

This thread is bullshit. It ignores the interaction of genetics and environment -- epigenetics. Food has been formulated to be hyper-palatable and we've been fed terrible information regarding nutrition for the past 30-40 years. Are people still going to blame the individual when 90% of the population is overweight or obese (it probably won't get that high because a decent percentage of the population is essentially immune to becoming overweight by either not being prone to hyperphagia or subconsciously becoming more metabolically active in response to caloric excess)?

I've tried willing myself into eating proper portions of supposedly nutritious foods numerous times and it never worked -- i'd always become ravenously hungry and fail to lose weight. It wasn't until I tried low carb and later low reward mixed with paleo concepts that I lost weight and maintained a grip on my appetite.

Telling overweight people to just eat salads is the worst fucking advice ever.

 

[saunderez]

Salads are fucking boring. I can't even go two days in a row.

Don't eat salads then. Just watch your caloric intake. Stay 500 Cals below maintenance, do a little bit of exercise and YOU WILL lose weight consistently and safely.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

Salads are fucking boring. I can't even go two days in a row.

Really? Add some blue cheese and dried raisens or something.

I only put olive oil and red wine vinegar with crutons on mine. Tastes good, man.

 

[Alucrid]

Salads are fucking boring. I can't even go two days in a row.

Salads are goddamn delicious. you crazy.

Actually green, red or romaine lettuce (fuck that iceberg shit), peppers, tomatoes, cucumbers, light dressing of just oil and vinegar or some balsamic, so good. Also spinach/lettuce, mandarin oranges, strawberries, some form of nut, with some poppy seed dressing

 

[Truant]

A lot of people think that being fat is the omega point of of the human body, and that you're somehow actually supposed to be chubby. They use this to justify their obesity.

Being overweight is unhealthy. It kills people.

Normal and natural is not the same thing.

 

[Orayn]

Salads are fucking boring. I can't even go two days in a row.

Don't say that to a man happily eats salad greens with olive oil and vinegar as often as humanly possible without growing tired of it.

 

[saunderez]

Telling overweight people to just eat salads is the worst fucking advice ever.

I don't see how it's worse than promoting obesity as being ok. Weight loss isn't the unattainable goal you make it out to be, it just requires a bit of discipline. Seems like most people are too weak to be able to control themselves.

 

[hateradio]

You see Japan all the way at the bottom of the list? They're more anxiety-ridden than anyone. They self-medicate with suicide, though.

Is it bad that I laughed as I read this? That's not medicating at all.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

Don't say that to a man happily eats salad greens with olive oil and vinegar as often as humanly possible without growing tired of it.

Well, you don't make friends with salad.

 

[Orayn]

A lot of people think that being fat is the omega point of of the human body, and that you're somehow actually supposed to be chubby. They use this to justify their obesity.

Being overweight is unhealthy. It kills people.

Normal and natural is not the same thing.

To be fair, a recent study showed an overall decrease in deaths to due cardiovascular disease in individuals who are in the upper range of "normal" and lower range of "overweight" by the BMI scale. I don't think it's at all ridiculous to think that our bodies might be optimized to carry at least a little extra weight, given our ancestry and history as a species. I'm not sure of the quality of the research, so take this with a huge grain of salt. I'll see if I can dig up a link.

 

[AniHawk]

i'd always been super skinny growing up, but at some point in college, i found i weighed in at 200 pounds. at my height, i was overweight- kinda chubby, but not outright fat. since then, i've lost fifty pounds, went from a size 36 waist to a size 32, and convinced my dad (who is obese) to start exercising. he's in his late 50s and has been obese for over 20 years, but he's dropped 50 pounds himself and it looks like he'll be at a normal weight for his height by the time he's 60, which would be incredible.

 

[Srsly]

I don't see how it's worse than promoting obesity as being ok. Weight loss isn't the unattainable goal you make it out to be, it just requires a bit of discipline. Seems like most people are too weak to be able to control themselves.

Telling overweight people to try and subsist off salads is promoting obesity.

People are animals. Animals respond to stimuli. Avoid the stimuli that elicits a certain response -- in the case of overweight people, overeating would be the response. Saying that people are just too weak to control themselves doesn't help anything.

 

[Alucrid]

Also I find it amusing that the skinny jean hate made it into this thread. Hrmmmmmm.

 

[Kraftwerk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC1CUl4XcZc


why?

 

[TheDiabolical]

its like they say, we are made in Gods image.



God is a fatty

 

[JumpJeff84]

Holy shit, that's Christina in the OP? I had no idea her appearance had changed so much. I'd heard that she'd put on a little weight after her divorce, but man...

 

[Kraftwerk]

See. It is the fucking media. This guy was contacted by Tosh.0 and they asked him to film himself eating, then they put the video on the shoe and go 'LOLOLOL FAAT"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP74xUyYaoo&feature=channel_video_title

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Don't eat salads then. Just watch your caloric intake. Stay 500 Cals below maintenance, do a little bit of exercise and YOU WILL lose weight consistently and safely.

I truly hate statements like this.

There's no way to accurately determine what your 'maintenance' calories are. It's preposterous to even suggest such a thing. There are so many factors at play at any given time that determine how and how much your body uses the energy it is provided with. Furthermore, the different macronutrients are used for different things in the body. There is no static number for day-to-day 'maintenance'.

For example, if you give your body less than it needs, it will try to make do with less by conserving energy elsewhere.

Stuff like this is why the calories in/calories out mentality is dangerously shortsighted and ignorant of the mess of biological factors at play in determining a person's body composition.

 

[Buckethead]

So much wrong in the OP.

First off, I would like to acknowledge that upkeep with regard to one's appearance is of more importance for women in society than men.

Haha oh wow. So wrong.

Men struggle deeply with appearance they just have no outlet of support or expression without negative consequences.

I could show you plenty of men I know with body dysmorphic disorder and/or eating disorders.
Thinking like this is why men who struggle with these issues remain closeted and feel like they can't turn to anyone and the vicious cycle continues...

P.S. You can't pull the "it's not anyones fault but yourself" bullshit and then rationalize how it's more important to women than men because of 'bio-societal' reasons.

" Before you start labeling all of those people as "shallow," take pause for a moment to realize that those responses were indicative of an almost universal fact: fat is unattractive and indicative of poor health.

Not true, in the Middle Ages fat was a sign of wealth and health now you can argue sexual attractiveness but fact remains attitudes have changed drastically and are constantly in flux.

 

[NobleXenon]

Eh, calories are a pretty useless indicator for weight gain and loss; hormones play a much bigger role. Heh, I ate a 2000 kcal coconut chocolate bowl for a snack the other day and very little of that went into my fat tissues; in part because medium and short chain fatty acids are a bitch to store in your fat cells.

 

[Trent Strong]

I truly hate statements like this.

There's no way to accurately determine what your 'maintenance' calories are. It's preposterous to even suggest such a thing. There are so many factors at play at any given time that determine how and how much your body uses the energy it is provided with. Furthermore, the different macronutrients are used for different things in the body. There is no static number for day-to-day 'maintenance'.

For example, if you give your body less than it needs, it will try to make do with less by conserving energy elsewhere.

Stuff like this is why the calories in/calories out mentality is dangerously shortsighted and ignorant of the mess of biological factors at play in determining a person's body composition.

I eat about 2200 calories a day. If I find I'm gaining weight, I'll cut a few hundred calories for about a week. When I do this calorie cutting I lose weight, every single time.

 

[thewhiterabbit]

I'm simply pointing out that if it took this guy 2 1/2 years to shed who knows how much weight, he's probably simplifying *a bit* about how easy it was for him.

It's not typically that easy to change habits that are developed over the course of a lifetime.

Took me lil over 2 years to lose 200+lbs. It is only hard if you
1.Expect immediate results.
2.Look for short cuts.
3.Are too lazy to work out 3+ days a week.
4.Not looking for a lifestyle change.

It is sad how little most people work out. Simple act as a walk after dinner can go along way to not only helping lose weight but improve overall health in general.

You def have to get your mind right. You can say you want to do some thing but really you don't want too. If you really want to change your life it isn't that hard at all.

 

[lawlohwhat]

Ugh, worst type of people. To me, people who are fat out of laziness are basically like smokers or alcoholics. I probably don't want to sit by you on a bus, it's going to be a real hurdle in any relationship we might have, and I'm probably going to think less of you even if we do become friends, but as long as you're only hurting yourself I'm not indignant about it.

However, have some perspective about it. If you choose not to exercise and to eat shit, dress accordingly. Of course, I guess it's kind of a Catch 22 because if fat people had the required introspective ability to dress appropriately they'd probably stop killing themselves prematurely, but still, every time I see a girl with a huge gut in a skin-tight shirt I have to wonder what they're thinking when they look at themselves.

Honestly I think the whole "It's becoming more acceptable to be overweight" thing goes hand in hand with the talk you hear about the increasing number of man-babies. I'm 22 and a senior in college, and I'm shocked on a weekly basis by my classmates' unwillingness to accept responsibility for their actions or work for anything. I'm totally with all the people who accuse my generation (kids five or so years younger than me to a greater extent, but still plenty of kids my age) of being overly coddled and totally unable to face the real world. While genetics and media portrayal definitely play a disgusting role in perception of weight in our society, a lot of people just really like ice cream and cake and can't be bothered to exercise, and just like they'll blame their failing test grade on a teacher not explaining something to them (even though they could have easily asked for clarification), they blame the extra ten pounds they're carrying on the prevalence of HFCS, or the cheap price of fast food, or their schedule being too packed to exercise, etc.


I agree with this to an extent, but I really do believe there's just a lot of grown children out there who were never forced to eat their vegetables. It's kind of like the ADD thing, on one hand going around saying that a ridiculous number of kids are being wrongly diagnosed could hamper research of ADD if it's perceived that it's not a "real" disease, but on the other hand if a ton of kids really are being wrongfully diagnosed, you need to point out that they're just being kids.

Media portrayal of "attractive" people certainly makes it difficult for tons of people to be comfortable with their natural body size, but I don't think you can look at how much the average weight in the US has gone up over the last few decades and reasonably conclude that it's all body composition.

Just to clarify, you believe that increasing levels of obesity are caused by the prevalence of 'man babies' who don't take responsibility for themselves?

Is there any science to back this up? I know there's quite a bit of research to support the idea that the high levels of processed sugars that are in almost every mass produced food product are a direct contributor to obesity. But it's a large reach to suggest that our culture has somehow undergone some kind of paradigm shift where everyone is coddle-happy and lazy. There is quite a bit of PC bullshit portrayed as normative behavior in the media, and maybe a weaker attitude has the potential to become a cultural meme, but a direct link to obesity sounds spurious.

In my own experience, I was not concerned with eating well or maintaining a good level of fitness until I hit my 20s. My parents simply didn't know anything about nutrition and I never learned about it in school. Now I exercise at least six times a week and cook for myself, eat in smaller portions more often throughout the day, and I look and feel much healthier because of it. Most of my friends and family still eat the things that society presents to them as reasonable, affordable meals. These meals are loaded with preservatives, processed sugars, and obscene amounts of saturated fats. I don't think it's because they're lazy, but maybe because that is what is advertised to them as a regular American diet.

 

[Alucrid]

Took me lil over 2 years to lose 200+lbs. It is only hard if you
1.Expect immediate results.
2.Look for short cuts.
3.Are too lazy to work out 3+ days a week.
4.Not looking for a lifestyle change.

It is sad how little most people work out. Simple act as a walk after dinner can go along way to not only helping lose weight but improve overall health in general.

You def have to get your mind right. You can say you want to do some thing but really you don't want too. If you really want to change your life it isn't that hard at all.

DAYUM. 200+ lbs? That's crazy, good job.

 

[Orayn]

I eat about 2200 calories a day. If I find I'm gaining weight, I'll cut a few hundred calories for about a week. When I do this calorie cutting I lose weight, every single time.

I don't think Zefah's saying that calories in/calories out is untrue, just that it's not the only thing someone should focus on if they're planning to start a healthier diet and lose a bunch of weight.

 

[TheFightingFish]

I don't share the OPs distaste for overweight people, but it does make me really sad with how many people don't know how much their cancer risks go up with being overweight. Many of the most common cancers (breast, colon, kidney, esophagus) have very close ties with being overweight.

Compared to women who gained 20 pounds or less during adulthood, women who gained more than 60 pounds were almost twice as likely to have ductal type breast tumors and more than 1.5 times more likely to have lobular type cancers, Heather Spencer Feigelson of the American Cancer Society and colleagues found.
The risk of breast cancer that had spread tripled for women who gained more than 60 pounds, they reported in Monday’s issue of the journal Cancer.

Losing weight can be really hard, but seriously folk keep at it. You'll live longer and happier.

 

[thewhiterabbit]

I truly hate statements like this.

There's no way to accurately determine what your 'maintenance' calories are. It's preposterous to even suggest such a thing. There are so many factors at play at any given time that determine how and how much your body uses the energy it is provided with. Furthermore, the different macronutrients are used for different things in the body. There is no static number for day-to-day 'maintenance'.

For example, if you give your body less than it needs, it will try to make do with less by conserving energy elsewhere.

Stuff like this is why the calories in/calories out mentality is dangerously shortsighted and ignorant of the mess of biological factors at play in determining a person's body composition.

It is all a estimate. But a very good estimate. And when done correctly is a very good way to lose weight and live a healthy life.

 

[Poyunch]

I've lost like 70 pounds in a year. That's pretty tame. I have nothing against overweight people but eating a ton and being lazy is not something you should justify in your life.

 

[thewhiterabbit]

DAYUM. 200+ lbs? That's crazy, good job.

Thanks. A much better life is my reward

I did this by exercise and calorie counting. I did it with health in mind. On days I exercised I ate 2000-3000 calories. I ate healthy and was always full. It was pretty damn easy. I used to be an athlete so I had to just get back to being active and eating right. I still track what I eat and stay conscious of my weight.

 

[HeadlessRoland]

You hardly need a mathematical equation (an inaccurate one at that due to vast diversity it metabolism) to know when you have eaten enough or if your body requires something it isn't getting.

Pay attention to your body it will let you know these things you just need to be aware enough to listen.

 

[bill0527]

This thread is all kinds of fucked.

You'd almost certainly not get this kind of visceral response/borderline hatred if someone posted a thread about smokers shitting up the air with 2nd hand smoke, along with all the health problems that go along with it. Nor would you get this kind of response in a thread about alcohol fucking up people's lives.

But man..catch a fatty eating a Twinkie and we gotta open up the 9th gate of hell on his subhuman fat fucking ass.

 

[Alucrid]

You hardly need a mathematical equation (an inaccurate one at that due to vast diversity it metabolism) to know when you have eaten enough or if your body requires something it isn't getting.

Pay attention to your body it will let you know these things you just need to be aware enough to listen.

Yep. If you think you're hungry wait 20-30 minutes before actually eating anything else.

 

[Orayn]

This thread is all kinds of fucked.

You'd almost certainly not get this kind of visceral response/borderline hatred if someone posted a thread about smokers shitting up the air with 2nd hand smoke, along with all the health problems that go along with it. Nor would you get this kind of response in a thread about alcohol fucking up people's lives.

But man..catch a fatty eating a Twinkie and we gotta open up the 9th gate of hell on his subhuman fat fucking ass.

Like I said earlier, a big part of this thread's bile comes from people really cutting loose when there are socially acceptable targets to hate on.

 

[Count Dookkake]

This thread is all kinds of fucked.

You'd almost certainly not get this kind of visceral response/borderline hatred if someone posted a thread about smokers shitting up the air with 2nd hand smoke, along with all the health problems that go along with it. Nor would you get this kind of response in a thread about alcohol fucking up people's lives.

But man..catch a fatty eating a Twinkie and we gotta open up the 9th gate of hell on his subhuman fat fucking ass.

You are incorrect. Smoking threads can be brutal.

 

[HeadlessRoland]

This thread is all kinds of fucked. But man..catch a fatty eating a Twinkie and we gotta open up the 9th gate of hell on his subhuman fat fucking ass.

Yeah, a thread about drooling alcoholics or smokers surely wouldn't receive just vitriol! Not that you have communicated a point or anything. But you are correct in that the aesthetics of the obese is certainly a factor.

Like I said earlier, a big part of this thread's bile comes from people really cutting loose when there are socially acceptable targets to hate on.

Yeah, because nobody hates on smokers and alcoholics...good point

 

[NobleXenon]

I don't think Zefah's saying that calories in/calories out is untrue, just that it's not the only thing someone should focus on if they're planning to start a healthier diet and lose a bunch of weight.

I don't think anyone is saying that calories don't matter; it's just how the body uses the calories is what matters. My supposed maintenance/bmr is 3100 kcal per day. If I consume an extra 2000 kcal in the form of MCT at night time, my bmr/maintenance will jump up to 5000 kcal. If I consumed an extra 2000 kcal at night time in the form of sucrose, my bmr/maintenance will still either be around 3100 kcal or may drop into the 2000's - while at the same time storing it as fat.

 

[Srsly]

Fat people ought to just will themselves into metabolizing fats more efficiently:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17823426

 

[bill0527]

You are incorrect. Smoking threads can be brutal.

I know you've been here a long time, and I just passed 7 years. I can't recall a smoking thread as cutthroat as this one. Not saying there isn't one, but I haven't seen it. We're already at 20 pages since this thread was started this morning.