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My rant on overweight justification in America

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It's more than understandable. I mean moving around weighted objects for no other reason than because you can is a pretty ridiculous concept when you think about it. But we were born to like high calorie food and lots of it, so working out is the necessary partner to eating anything over a very small amount. I tend to maintain my weight by eating 1-2 meals a day (it's worked for me) I'm sure plenty of know-it-alls without MDs will be telling me it's bad for you, but you know what it works.
 
Kind of an outsider view but the two times I've been to America, the portion size was shocking, yes, but the drinks... the drinks. Juices seemed they were made entirely of sugar. Not only the taste was gross, they were anything BUT a healthier alternative to soft drinks. I think I drank mostly water.
It was startling, because in here every place has freshly squeezed juices and that's all I drink. Soft drinks only on weekends. First time I went to America I couldn't THINK of Sprite after three days LOL
 
Trent Strong said:
I eat about 2200 calories a day. If I find I'm gaining weight, I'll cut a few hundred calories for about a week. When I do this calorie cutting I lose weight, every single time.
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Yeah 2200 Cals works as a good baseline for me too. It's not rocket science. You learn to listen to your body.
 
Orayn said:
I don't think Zefah's saying that calories in/calories out is untrue, just that it's not the only thing someone should focus on if they're planning to start a healthier diet and lose a bunch of weight.
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Well, that's true.
 
Srsly said:
This thread is bullshit. It ignores the interaction of genetics and environment -- epigenetics. Food has been formulated to be hyper-palatable and we've been fed terrible information regarding nutrition for the past 30-40 years. Are people still going to blame the individual when 90% of the population is overweight or obese (it probably won't get that high because a decent percentage of the population is essentially immune to becoming overweight by either not being prone to hyperphagia or subconsciously becoming more metabolically active in response to caloric excess)?
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So it's okay to be obese?
 
bill0527 said:
I know you've been here a long time, and I just passed 7 years. I can't recall a smoking thread as cutthroat as this one. Not saying there isn't one, but I haven't seen it. We're already at 20 pages since this thread was started this morning.
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Perhaps that is because smokers don't cry as much as fatties.
 
I wonder if we could just make this the OT for Fat Hatred. We could file it into one thread so I don't have to fucking see it all over the forum. It would be so awesome.

narcosis219 said:
So it's okay to be obese?
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It's more like it's none of your fucking business.
 
narcosis219 said:
So it's okay to be obese?
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Umm, do you lack the capacity to think in a nuanced manner? The obesity problem needs to be solved, but simply going around and blaming individuals for lacking will power doesn't help at all.
 
Srsly said:
Umm, do you lack the capacity to think in a nuanced manner? The obesity problem needs to be solved, but simply going around and blaming individuals for lacking will power doesn't help at all.
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The road to hell is paved with good intent.
 
You know i have a injury that makes it really hard for me to ever work out. Yes i'm a fat dude and if i'm a poor char in your eyes or just a waste of space MAYBE the bullet that shot me should have killed me :P.
 
red_13th said:
Kind of an outsider view but the two times I've been to America, the portion size was shocking, yes, but the drinks... the drinks. Juices seemed they were made entirely of sugar. Not only the taste was gross, they were anything BUT a healthier alternative to soft drinks. I think I drank mostly water.
It was startling, because in here every place has freshly squeezed juices and that's all I drink. Soft drinks only on weekends. First time I went to America I couldn't THINK of Sprite after three days LOL
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Fructose has been shown in various controlled studies to dysregulate metabolism (and appetite as a result). Start drinking huge sodas (or lots of fruit juice) every day as a kid and you'll be on the path to obesity before you know (and before you gain weight).
 
Delio said:
You know i have a injury that makes it really hard for me to ever work out. Yes i'm a fat dude and if i'm a poor char in your eyes or just a waste of space MAYBE the bullet that shot me should have killed me :P.
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Yeah because this thread is about people who legitimately can't help the fact their overweight.

brianjones said:
this has to be one of the worst threads ive ever read on gaf
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I feel the same about the threads where people defend smoking in public.
 
American's standards of beauty are slowly being altered thanks to the country's weight gain.

I love it when forums like NeoGAF, that cater to an international audience, have an image posted of a scantily clad chubby girl (not obese, but overweight). You can spot the Europeans from the Americans just from their reactions to the image. Americans have become far more accepting of overweight women, even in porn, which I suppose is completely understandable given their surroundings.
 
Srsly said:
Fructose has been shown in various controlled studies to dysregulate metabolism (and appetite as a result). Start drinking huge sodas (or lots of fruit juice) every day as a kid and you'll be on the path to obesity before you know (and before you gain weight).
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Yeah, this is something I keep trying to tell people who are trying to cut to very low body fat.

Fructose disrupts metabolism and can cause weight gain. That's why fruit (and especially juice!) is very bad when you are trying to lose fat.

Another point that's often glossed over is the effect lactose has on the body's insulin release.

Delio said:
You know i have a injury that makes it really hard for me to ever work out. Yes i'm a fat dude and if i'm a poor char in your eyes or just a waste of space MAYBE the bullet that shot me should have killed me :P.
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It's fine if that's what you're happy with. But I'm going to assume you know you can very easily lose weight through diet alone. That you choose not to is your own decision.
 
Delio said:
You know i have a injury that makes it really hard for me to ever work out. Yes i'm a fat dude and if i'm a poor char in your eyes or just a waste of space MAYBE the bullet that shot me should have killed me :P.
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Were you in shape before being shot?
 
Srsly said:
Fructose has been shown in various controlled studies to dysregulate metabolism (and appetite as a result). Start drinking huge sodas (or lots of fruit juice) every day as a kid and you'll be on the path to obesity before you know (and before you gain weight).
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Yep. I have friends who don't drink any alcohol yet chug high fructose soda and "healthy fruit juice" and they now have fatty liver disease. I tell them to go low carb and increase choline but they don't listen. :/
 
Srsly said:
Umm, do you lack the capacity to think in a nuanced manner? The obesity problem needs to be solved, but simply going around and blaming individuals for lacking will power doesn't help at all.
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But blaming the individual is so easy! Just like calories in/calories out. People tend to love simple things regardless if they are true.
 
saunderez said:
I feel the same about the threads where people defend smoking in public.
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Zefah said:
But blaming the individual is so easy! Just like calories in/calories out. People tend to love simple things regardless if they are true.
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It is as easy as calories in/calories out. Eat less move more. Too damn easy.
 
Srsly said:
Umm, do you lack the capacity to think in a nuanced manner? The obesity problem needs to be solved, but simply going around and blaming individuals for lacking will power doesn't help at all.
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To some degree, he is right. You claims it's partly society s fault for bad attitudes an education on the topic. Well maybe society should stop making that the excuse, and start pushing for people to educate themselves and take responsibility for it personally. THe information isn't hard to find, quite often it is right there in front of you, people just choose to opt out.
 
Crunched said:
Yeah, this is something I keep trying to tell people who are trying to cut to very low body fat.

Fructose disrupts metabolism and can cause weight gain. That's why fruit (and especially juice!) is very bad when you are trying to lose fat.

Another point that's often glossed over is the effect lactose has on the body's insulin release.


It's fine if that's what you're happy with. But I'm going to assume you know you can very easily lose weight through diet alone. That you choose not to is your own decision.
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I have been dieting but i DO know i need to work out as well. That it gives me pain to even do that is bad. Still think this thread is somehow trying to paint me as a subhuman because i'm not instantly skinny.
 
People that eat more than they need are just eating the food of starving african children. They might as well put a bullet in their head. I am one of those people whose only preocupation after eating so much so grotesqely is getting depressed because theres too much fat covering my penis. Seriously, It can be like 3 inches longer if I were to cease killing children.
 
Delio said:
I have been dieting but i DO know i need to work out as well. That it gives me pain to even do that is bad. Still think this thread is somehow trying to paint me as a subhuman because i'm not instantly skinny.
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I will bet you $20 you can lose weight without working out. If you're willing to take that, I will rely on you being honest and putting an effort into following either a strict slow carb or paleo diet, and after six weeks if you have not lost ten pounds I will paypal you $20.

That's excluding any physical therapy you may need to do to help recover from your injury. I'm talking about additional exercise.
 
Delio said:
Yes i was and i was in a hospital bed for months before i could even get up and move again.
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That's truly awful and you have my greatest sympathy.

I have not been shot, but I have sustained an injury that prevented me from working out for a few years. It sucks, but keep fighting.
 
njean777 said:
Its not hard to do because it just isn't, If you want to do it you will, if you don't, you won't. It's just learning how to keep a workout schedule, and learning to eat correctly which shouldn't be hard since the whole rest of the world seems to do it. The internet helps tremendously also, food recipes, tips for working out, there is a whole world for you to explore and learn how to lose weight.

I weighed 330lbs, ran everyday for 2 and a half years, changed my diet by not eating fast food, laid off of sugary food. It wasn't hard because I wanted to do it, its a mindset. Thats all I can really explain it is hard for people because they are not in the right psychological mind state. They still care what others think, or how others will perceive them. My friends made fun of me, but now 2 years later they are still overweight, and I am healthy and loving it.

Btw I still workout everyday and still eat somewhat healthy, I will admit I have ate fast food recently, but still cut down the portion size. Throw out the fries and replace the drink with a diet coke.
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Sorry for the late reply, but good for you.

Thanks for responding in more detail.
 
Hari Seldon said:
What is the point of being healthy? Eat whatever you want, drink as much as you want, die around ~75. Obsess over eating healthy and drink water, die around ~85. And in either case you are entirely at the mercy of genetics as to whether you get cancer and die at 50 anyway. As long as you aren't so fat that you can't do what you want, I don't see a point in having a flat stomach.
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This is ridiculous. There are people who live up to age 90 today and still look good and fit. The life expectancy is continually increasing, except for recently due to the overweight epidemic, so we are most likely going to live longer than our parents and be healthier during those years if we choose to be. So someone healthy who turns 90 seventy years from now will most likely look like a 60 - 80 year old today.

The point about getting cancer or any disease is stupid. I mean why get out of bed tomorrow and do anything with your life knowing you can possibly die during that day? This is just another excuse that unhealthy people try to use to convince themselves that their lifestyle is okay.
 
neutralgamer02 said:
This is ridiculous. There are people who live up to age 90 today and still look good and fit. The life expectancy is continually increasing, except for recently due to the overweight epidemic, so we are most likely going to live longer than our parents and be healthier during those years if we choose to be. So someone healthy who turns 90 seventy years from now will most likely look like a 60 - 80 year old today.

The point about getting cancer or any disease is stupid. I mean why get out of bed tomorrow and do anything with your life knowing you can possibly die during that day? This is just another excuse that unhealthy people try to use to convince themselves that their lifestyle is okay.
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I would say extreme hedonism and extreme obsession over health are both insane objectives. Consider it like a slider, flexible for every person, with the ideal being a fluctuating goal that equals happiness.

Not everyone cares enough to have a flat stomach -- and that's fine. My objection is to obesity. Like, don't need a belt because your stomach is folded over your pants and holding them up for you obesity.

But there isn't just one right way. Different things work for different people, because different people have different goals. What's nice about maintaining your health is you can cheat every once in a while without feeling guilty and without repercussion. I binge once a week. I plan for it, and dedicate an entire day to pigging out. I still manage to lose or maintain weight, and I don't believe anyone else would have a problem as long as they can keep up their self control for the other six days.

All the objections to weight loss in this thread are valid, but it's not like they can't be overcome. You can work around your own limitations.

It's so frustrating hearing people say "that doesn't work!" or "I've heard this is better!" and go off on a path of failure because they fail to do their research and track their own goals.
 
American Test

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These women are:

A) Pleasantly plump.
B) Curvaceous.
C) "Real" Women
D) Suffering from a thyroid disorder
E) Fatties who are eating themselves to an early grave.
 
Lambtron said:
Why bother making the differentiation? All fatasses are sub humans!
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Because one is a revolting blob due to factors beyond their control, while the other is a revolting blob due to their own choices. All fatasses are disgusting, but not sub-human.

Delio said:
You know i have a injury that makes it really hard for me to ever work out. Yes i'm a fat dude and if i'm a poor char in your eyes or just a waste of space MAYBE the bullet that shot me should have killed me :P.
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What part of your injury prevents you from eating the correct amount?
 
ScOULaris said:
American Test

http://pikabu.ru/images/big_size_comm/2011-06_1/13069362635835.jpg

These women are:

A) Pleasantly plump.
B) Curvaceous.
C) "Real" Women
D) Suffering from a thyroid disorder
E) Fatties who are eating themselves to an early grave.
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No one's going to deny that the women in the picture are morbidly obese; contrary to what you may believe, most Americans are not idiots. Why not post a borderline case so we can have some actual discussion, or would you rather continue with the masturbatory trolling?
 
HeadlessRoland said:
Because one is a revolting blob due to factors beyond their control, while the other is a revolting blob due to their own choices. All fatasses are disgusting, but not sub-human.



What part of your injury prevents you from eating the correct amount?
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I'd like to throw out there that even skinny people can be disgusting. I'm assuming the people calling fat people disgusting are perfectly fit.
 
Orayn said:
No one's going to deny that the women in the picture are morbidly obese; contrary to what you may believe, most Americans are not idiots. Why not post a borderline case so we can have some actual discussion, or would you rather continue with the masturbatory trolling?
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Nah we gotta circle jerk about fatties™ and how they're horrible people with no self-control or personal responsibility.
 
HeadlessRoland said:
Because one is a revolting blob due to factors beyond their control, while the other is a revolting blob due to their own choices. All fatasses are disgusting, but not sub-human.



What part of your injury prevents you from eating the correct amount?
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Eating right is only one part of it. I would still need to work out.
 
ScOULaris said:
American Test

http://pikabu.ru/images/big_size_comm/2011-06_1/13069362635835.jpg[IMG]

These women are:

A) Pleasantly plump.
B) Curvaceous.
C) "Real" Women
D) Suffering from a thyroid disorder
E) Fatties who are eating themselves to an early grave.[/QUOTE]
Go back to 4chan.
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I would say that she has some excess body fat and likely falls into the "overweight" category. Whether or not you find her attractive is none of my business, and we don't know what, if any, health problems her weight causes her.

I am no fun.
 
Orayn said:
I would say that she has some excess body fat and likely falls into the "overweight" category. Whether or not you find her attractive is none of my business, and we don't know what, if any, health problems her weight causes her.

I am no fun.
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So you're going with D then?
 
Delio said:
Eating right is only one part of it. I would still need to work out.
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"Working out" (as in engaging in rigorous exercise solely for the sake of engaging in rigorous exercise) is absolutely 100% unnecessary to get skinny.

I highly recommend being physically active and doing strength training exercises, but you do not need it to lose all of your extra fat.
 
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