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My son fought back against a bully...

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Honestly, it may be best to punish your child or at least express disapproval at him using violence. Most bullies are just trying to pick a fight, he has to learn to understand that and realize that you can't really do anything to change the bully's behavior just by punching him. I've had a few bullies and I knew that no physical fight would actually get a bully to change their behavior.

It's important to have thick skin before thick knuckles. And yes I saw that the OP's son was defending another child that was being shaken and called a fag but fuck off with that bullshit of how you have to immediately punch someone to save a kid from an extra few seconds of trauma.

I'm not blaming the OP's son. He did what he thought was right and just has to be taught an effective, adult way to confront bullies in the future.
 
I'm sorry that the teachers and administration did nothing to help your son's situation.

As a teacher, if bullying is going on that I don't know about, I'd really appreciate hearing from the student or their parents alerting me to the situation. I'll do something about it right away. It's really sad when I see teachers ignoring this kind of thing, it's a serious situation.
 
Honestly, it may be best to punish your child or at least express disapproval at him using violence. Most bullies are just trying to pick a fight, he has to learn to understand that and realize that you can't really do anything to change the bully's behavior just by punching him. I've had a few bullies and I knew that no physical fight would actually get a bully to change their behavior.

It's important to have thick skin before thick knuckles. And yes I saw that the OP's son was defending another child that was being shaken and called a fag but fuck off with that bullshit of how you have to immediately punch someone to save a kid from an extra few seconds of trauma.

I'm not blaming the OP's son. He did what he thought was right and just has to be taught an effective, adult way to confront bullies in the future.

Are you saying this from personal experience?

I know that my own experiences in high school don't reflect what you are saying at all. My parents told me to stand up to bullies and when I started doing that it made a huge difference in at least 3 or 4 cases. I didn't get bullied by those kids again. They go looking for an easier target as imo, many aren't looking for a fight, they are looking to make themselves feel good/impress others by putting someone down.
 
You know what I'd do? I'd take your son out to the movies or something to reward him for standing up for his friend.

Then I would lecture him about how schools have largely failed kids when it comes to anti-bully tactics and sometimes the system is wrong.

Finally, I would enroll him in a martial art like judo or something that specializes in chokes because if you choke someone unconscious, they usually wake up with no memory of how they got there.
 
I've been off and on reading this thread all day, but finally can sit down and post my thoughts.

Personally, I think the OP's son did a noble thing, looking out for someone who was unable to look out for themselves.

My story is that I was bullied non-stop from 2nd grade to 8th grade. Those that maybe aren't used to being bullied, think about that for a minute. From the age of 7, to the age of 13, I was bullied. The main reason being I was shorter than every one, by quite the margin. I was too afraid to fight back, and my classmates did nothing but laugh and jeer along with the bullies. No one stood up for me. I was taught to tell an adult when the bullying happened, but that usually just resulted in the bully getting a warning, and he'd come back in full force later on, and when the teachers weren't watching.

My mother always told me to stand up for myself, and she'd go to the school and raise hell about the bullying, but I, personally, just didn't fight back, physically or otherwise.

Most of that changed when I was in high school. I was still short (I'm talking a 4'3" 14 year old), but for the most part, the kids in high school were great to me. I was known and accepted despite being tiny. Hell, most of the guys and girls in my class, Freshmen all the way to Seniors, were very protective and kind to me because I was so short. This was quite a change from the 6 years I was treated like shit. My formative years, those years where a child tends to develop their social skills with their peers, was marred by bullying. I had no confidence, no self esteem, and even in high school, it still took an additional 10+ years before I finally found my strength and confidence.

Now, despite having a lot of good friends in high school, there was one guy, Josh, who was a nuisance and bully during my Freshmen year, and half of my Sophomore year. He thought he was hot shit, and that it'd be cool to try and pick on the little guy. For the most part, I ignored his bullying, thinking that if I just didn't pay him any mind, he'd leave me alone. That didn't happen. For all of Freshmen year. Every day was a new torment.

So, Sophomore year comes, and he starts his bullying up again. I do the ignoring thing again, but it just won't stop. Finally, about 6 months into the year, we're in our English class together, he's at the desk in front of me, and he thinks it'd be "hilarious!" to take a permanent marker and dot me on the head with it.

I guess that was it, for me, because I calmly got up out of my desk, and put him in a choke hold, and told him to apologize. The teacher, who was in the middle of teaching, looked back, saw that I had this guy in a head lock, and he was squirming, and turned back to teaching. I finally let him go after a few seconds (I probably, in total, had him in the head lock for less than a minute, maybe), and he's coughing and saying, "That's it, after school, we're going to fight. I'm going to kick your ass after school!"

So I say, "Ok, fine, we'll fight!" I was pumped full of adrenaline, and was no longer afraid to get an ass whupping if it came to that, I was just sick of this guy.

Needless to say, we never fought after school, and he never bullied me again. He never even held a grudge, and at the least, he'd grunt an acknowledgement of my presence (since we had a lot of the same friend pool in the high school we went to; art majors stuck together, as did theater, dance, and music majors; I went to a high school that let the students major in those fields. I was an art major, as was he). The rest of my high school years went by bully free, as did my life so far.

I'm not a fan of violence. I try to avoid it at all costs, but sometimes, it's necessary, and often, with bullies, they only respond to an equal show of aggression or lack of fear. With some of them, "talking it out," isn't going to lead anywhere.

With my high school bully, the teacher never reprimanded me for what I did in that class, but I did tell my mom what happened, and yeah, she doesn't like violence, but what she doesn't like more is someone physically harming her child. My mom has never condoned outright brawling with people, but she's always been a strong proponent for standing up for yourself, especially if the school system, or adults, aren't listening.

tl;dr: I was bullied for 7 and a half years, and finally, in high school, I stood up to an obnoxious bully by choke-holding him, and he never bothered me again. Sometimes, you have to dirty your hands to end bullying. It's not ideal, but what in this world is?

I can't tell the OP how to raise his son, but from what I got from this thread, he's a good kid, with a good sense of right and wrong, but he's 12. Kids don't have the luxury of a lifetime of experience and hindsight to evaluate at a moments notice. The OP should discipline his kid in the manner he feels appropriate.
 
tl;dr: I was bullied for 7 and a half years, and finally, in high school, I stood up to an obnoxious bully by choke-holding him, and he never bothered me again. Sometimes, you have to dirty your hands to end bullying. It's not ideal, but what in this world is?

Why is it dirtying your hands? I think bullying is bullshit and society should do more about it but in terms of fighting, I don't think there is anything wrong with it when it's between two consenting parties who don't take it too far. Some men feel the need to solve their problems that way.
 
The initial idea that we can "suppose" anything is absurd.

But the idea that there are other ways to deal with the situation that don't involve delivering punches is not.

Not dealing with the situation was your solution. Just let violence against the other kid continue indefinitely.
 
If you feel the in-school suspension is unjust, couldn't you just protest the school's decision by keeping your kid at home during the days he's supposed to serve his in-school suspension?
 
If you feel the in-school suspension is unjust, couldn't you just protest the school's decision by keeping your kid at home during the days he's supposed to serve his in-school suspension?
I was thinking this too. The school may need a deterrent against violence, even against bullies, but fuck 'em for giving the bully such a relatively light sentence. Should've got the same punishment to deter bullying.
 
If you feel the in-school suspension is unjust, couldn't you just protest the school's decision by keeping your kid at home during the days he's supposed to serve his in-school suspension?
A lot of schools will just wait until he comes back and give him the ISS then
 
Are you saying this from personal experience?

I know that my own experiences in high school don't reflect what you are saying at all. My parents told me to stand up to bullies and when I started doing that it made a huge difference in at least 3 or 4 cases. I didn't get bullied by those kids again. They go looking for an easier target as imo, many aren't looking for a fight, they are looking to make themselves feel good/impress others by putting someone down.

Well that is standing up to the bully. And yeah I've had a decent amount of experience with them and my parents and older brother always suggested that I sucker punch them or play a cruel joke, honestly having people act so over-protective of you hurt worse than anything the bullies ever did.
 
He gets 1 week in school suspension....bully gets a detention. Reason: Your son attacked xxxx and was unprovoked physically.

Now this kid has been picking on people for years. Finally my son stood up for his friend and he gets the ISS? Not sure what I'm going to do here.

If it was me in your position (and hopefully it will be in a few years time) I would make sure I tell my son I am proud of him for standing up for his friend, but next time try and find a non-violent way to manipulate the situation.

I understand why schools are so scared shitless now and will try to punish any physical contact, even if I don't agree with it.
 
he has to learn to understand that and realize that you can't really do anything to change the bully's behavior just by punching him.

Except it has worked, for lots and lots of people and their bullies. May not change the ways of the bully, but it can certainly change the life of the particular target(s).

I've had a few bullies and I knew that no physical fight would actually get a bully to change their behavior.

Did you try?

It's important to have thick skin before thick knuckles.

Oh yeah, that does wonders for self-esteem.


Well that is standing up to the bully. And yeah I've had a decent amount of experience with them and my parents and older brother always suggested that I sucker punch them or play a cruel joke, honestly having people act so over-protective of you hurt worse than anything the bullies ever did.

Reading this makes me wonder if you were ever truly bullied.
 
Why is it dirtying your hands? I think bullying is bullshit and society should do more about it but in terms of fighting, I don't think there is anything wrong with it when it's between two consenting parties who don't take it too far. Some men feel the need to solve their problems that way.

It's dirtying your hands, because violence should never be a part of society in any way, shape, or form. In an ideal world, no one would ever fight or hurt one another, but we don't live in that ideal world, so violence is often necessary. Even when you are in the right, violence is ugly business, but again, sometimes you have to go down that path, even if you don't want to.

Bullying is a fucking atrocity, and it sickens me that so many children are subjected to it every day, and during crucial years in their development. Sometimes, I can't help but wonder how I would have been as a child if I had not constantly had a bully making me feel like the most worthless human being on the planet.

A lot of a child's confidence and self esteem develops during the ages of 6-12. Positive reinforcement from your peers is vital. Unfortunately, during those years, I was rejected and ridiculed by the bulk of my peers. It's damaging, and it's frustrating that the school systems we have in America (I can't speak to other country's school systems), is absolutely horrible at handling bullying.
 
Fuck this. I got bullied all 7th grade until the first day of 8th, when I decided I wouldn't take it again, I punched the bastard in the face, he cried, and he never messed with me again.

The suspension may not be fair, but chances are this will solve the kid's problems.

This. I remember some guys bullying me in 8-9th grade. I was getting tired of it so I took care of things.

I took the first guy by the shirt and rammed it against a wall. I firmly asked him to stop bullying me. He hit back and broke my glasses but never heard from him after that.

I had bigger balls for the second one. He was hanging out with another guy whose nickname was Terminator and when I had enough, I gave him (the small guy) a good kick in the ass with the Doc Marten boots I had at the time. He never bothered me after that.

I have two sons. I don't want to teach them that violence is good but I don't want them to feel like shit because of bullies and not being able to defend themself.

There is a line for those kind of situations and I want them to know its limits.
 
The results of the meeting aren't that interesting but I figured I owe it;

My Kid got three days ISS with video links to his classes and has agreed to help out after school events for the rest of the year. The second part was added by us because he refused to apologize to the bully.

The bully only received a detention but was alerted that the next incident would mean possible expulsion due to his record. This backs what my son told us about his history.

The mom and the step dad really seemed nice and my wife took to them and doesn't think they encourage this type of behavior.

Oh the real dad never returned my call and was not present

My kid told me he didn't regret sticking up for his friend and said he'd do it again. No pizza reward but I did let him beat me at madden last night ;-)

And then was promptly old I ain't got no swag on the sticks.
 
Except it has worked, for lots and lots of people and their bullies. May not change the ways of the bully, but it can certainly change the life of the particular target(s).

Did you try?

Oh yeah, that does wonders for self-esteem.

Reading this makes me wonder if you were ever truly bullied.

Well I had a very noticeably deformed right ear growing up so I've had dozens of people giving me insults for that but I've only had two REAL bullies who would try to bother me everyday. Made friends with both of them!

You can punch somebody to make them move to the next available target but it won't make the bully learn to be a better person. And no, I never tried fighting even though I was always a tall kid.
 
The results of the meeting aren't that interesting but I figured I owe it;

My Kid got three days ISS with video links to his classes and has agreed to help out after school events for the rest of the year. The second part was added by us because he refused to apologize to the bully.

The bully only received a detention but was alerted that the next incident would mean possible expulsion due to his record. This backs what my son told us about his history.

The mom and the step dad really seemed nice and my wife took to them and doesn't think they encourage this type of behavior.

Oh the real dad never returned my call and was not present

My kid told me he didn't regret sticking up for his friend and said he'd do it again. No pizza reward but I did let him beat me at madden last night ;-)

And then was promptly old I ain't got no swag on the sticks.
I agree with everything you did up to this point except for the bolded. I don't exactly see why he has to apologize to the bully unless said bully had apologized first. Or, your son could have said something like "well, I'm sorry if I hurt you but please understand the reasoning for what I did." Again, I'm not against apologizing to the bully if the bully had seen his ways and understood what he did was wrong.
 
I agree with everything you did up to this point except for the bolded. I don't exactly see why he has to apologize to the bully unless said bully had apologized first. Or, your son could have said something like "well, I'm sorry if I hurt you but please understand the reasoning for what I did." Again, I'm not against apologizing to the bully if the bully had seen his ways and understood what he did was wrong.

The bully didn't do anything to his son, and that's their call to make. Not something I'd have done personally, but it's his call as the father. Gotta respect it.
 
He gets 1 week in school suspension....bully gets a detention. Reason: Your son attacked xxxx and was unprovoked physically.

Now this kid has been picking on people for years. Finally my son stood up for his friend and he gets the ISS? Not sure what I'm going to do here.

You pat your son on the back and let him enjoy 1 week off.

edit: In school? Lame.
 
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