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My Wii in 480p...what the hell?!?!

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MisterAnderson

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So I've been waiting for my component cables to come in the mail since launch, and they finally arrived a couple days ago. I hook it up excited as f**k to see Zelda the way its supposed to be seen, as soon as I set the Wii setting to 480p I immediately notice how much sharper the Wii channel menu looks. Nice. Time for some Zelda in all its 480p glory, right?

I click on Zelda and load it up.

What the &*&$. It looks pixelated as hell.

At first I thought "I'm just used to the blurriness from how it was before, I'll get used to this look." But I just don't think I can. There are so many jaggies now it's ridiculous. When Link is swimming underwater it looks like a PSOne game. The only time Link looks better than before is when he's 3 feet away from the camera, besides that he's a mess of pixels. However, text and 2d artwork looks much better as well as things like the the red aiming cursor. The environments seems to have some kind of improvement (the only noticable difference in Wii sports for me has been the tennis court, which admittedly looks A LOT better, but the models looks so so jaggy I'm not entirely sure it's a good enough tradeoff).

I thought maybe it's my TV (52 inch Mitsubishi Electric DLP HDTV), but playing Halo 2 with an xbox component cable, the difference is night and day. My xbox 360 also looks fine in 480p with component.

I honestly am disapointed with Wii 480p, is it just me or does anyone else have way more pixelation in 480p mode than 480i?
 
Is there no anti-aliasing? Or does it seem like it's rendering at less than 640/480? Huge laughs if it's the latter, I'm pretty sure gamecube games had AA at least as good as the DC did.
 
most last-gen games did not use real anti-aliasing even though the consoles were capable of it. cost too much fillrate & bandwidth even at 480i.
 
As Chris said, turn down your TV's sharpness. Can cause way too many artifacts. I have mine at the lowest possible setting.
 
If you are playing Xbox games with the 360 they are being upscaled, so that might explain why it looks so good.

I'm not sure what to tell you. I wish the Wii was a little more powerful and could throw some AA on it's games, but....it's not
 
yeah I started this exact same topic last week, and I turned down my sharpness... all the way to ZERO, and now Link looks awesome, and so does the game.
 
Maybe that's because your TV is upscaling the picture. Only a CRT TV can run 480p at native resolution.

Wii was not made with HDTV in mind.
 
Well I assumed it looked shitty because my TV was so big, but then again like I said Halo 2 looked way better in 480p mode on the same tv (playin goff of an xbox not 360)
 
480p looks pretty damn good scaled on my 720p DLP. Including games like God of War, and plenty of DVDs.
 
MisterAnderson said:
I thought maybe it's my TV (52 inch Mitsubishi Electric DLP HDTV), but playing Halo 2 with an xbox component cable, the difference is night and day. My xbox 360 also looks fine in 480p with component.
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I hope that's a typo, or you are just crazy.

From one DLP owner to another: Just give up on any kind of 480 sources to it man. Get a spare CRT for the Wii and older systems, because it's just never going to look right.
 
MisterAnderson said:
I click on Zelda and load it up.

What the &*&$. It looks pixelated as hell.
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Zelda is a gamecube port. Zelda:TP is a very fun game, but anyone being honest will tell you it looks like sh!t. You should have known it wasn't going to look all that much better since Wii sports looks fine with the composite cables whereas Zelda looks like crap.
 
MisterAnderson said:
Well I assumed it looked shitty because my TV was so big, but then again like I said Halo 2 looked way better in 480p mode on the same tv (playin goff of an xbox not 360)
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well lets face it, Zelda TP isn't as good looking as Halo 2.
different scale & different textures etc.
 
Maybe I just don't have a 360 to compare it to, but I use component cables on a CRT HDTV and Twilight Princess looks goddamned gorgeous. If it is looking "like a playstation 1 game" you're doing something wrong.
 
He's not doing something wrong. Zelda just doesn't look so good when blown up to 50+". It's just something you'll have to deal with if you have a large HDTV. Thanks a lot Nintendo!!!
 
mmlemay said:
He's not doing something wrong. Zelda just doesn't look so good when blown up to 50+". It's just something you'll have to deal with if you have a large HDTV. Thanks a lot Nintendo!!!
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I have a 50+ inch television, and the game looks fine - not ideal, of course, but it's hardly "PS1 level."
 
unifin said:
I have a 50+ inch television, and the game looks fine - not ideal, of course, but it's hardly "PS1 level."
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I never said it was PS1 level. I said it doesn't look so good. Which it doesn't. Especially when switching between the Wii and HD content or the 360. Zelda looked really blurry and muddy with A/V cables and now that I have component it looks sharper, especially the 2D content, but it's very jaggy now.

I think too many people have the Nintendo goggles on. The only time I'm satisfied with my Wii's image quality is in the menu and oddly enough, during Super Mario 64.
 
Turn your sharpness down, and try to run it in 480i. Your television video scaler might do a better job than the Wii's.

On my TV, the Wii output is actually blurrier when running in 480p.

Just saying.
 
brandonh83 said:
:lol

So basically: Wii/Zelda + plus component cables + HDTV running on 480p = great?
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Zelda game = great
Zelda art = great
Zelda 480p graphics on a large hdtv = jaggy mess
Zelda 480i graphics on a large hdtv = blurry mess
 
mmlemay said:
I never said it was PS1 level. I said it doesn't look so good. Which it doesn't. Especially when switching between the Wii and HD content or the 360. Zelda looked really blurry and muddy with A/V cables and now that I have component it looks sharper, especially the 2D content, but it's very jaggy now.

I think too many people have the Nintendo goggles on. The only time I'm satisfied with my Wii's image quality is in the menu and oddly enough, during Super Mario 64.
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Not you - the OP said that the game degenerates to a "PS1 level."
 
I'd take some pictures, but they would contain spoilers. Looks great on my Set, in 480p.

Maybe I have an anti-jaggie TV. Or something.
 
>>>I'm pretty sure gamecube games had AA at least as good as the DC did.<<<

I played about every DC game worth playing (and some that weren't) through VGA, and NONE of them had any AA. It was sort-of rare on Xbox, and extremely rare on PS2 and Gamecube.
 
Speaking of large hdtv's. Who has a Wii running on a projector via 480p id love to hear some impressions or see pics.

Im a bit worried as my main display is 92" 720p projector, and my Gamecube generally looks good but its a mixed bag some games look great and typically 480i is a mess.
 
www.dvdo.com

I have my Wii connected to a VP50 scaler and it rivals CRT quality. There's no lag and it even makes my HD sources look more brilliant. There simply is no jaggedness with this set up.

And I have a 70" XBR2 so it solves the problems of those with huge HDTVs.
 
Rancid Mildew said:
www.dvdo.com

I have my Wii connected to a VP50 scaler and it rivals CRT quality. There's no lag and it even makes my HD sources look more brilliant. There simply is no jaggedness with this set up.

And I have a 70" XBR2 so it solves the problems of those with huge HDTVs.
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Dude, tell me you didn't pay $3000 for that thing. I'd love to get an upscaler for my HDTV, but that price is way too much.
 
Rancid Mildew said:
www.dvdo.com

I have my Wii connected to a VP50 scaler and it rivals CRT quality. There's no lag and it even makes my HD sources look more brilliant. There simply is no jaggedness with this set up.

And I have a 70" XBR2 so it solves the problems of those with huge HDTVs.
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MSRP $2,999

Although I have several here in the office, I can't see them being good for gaming due to the lag it'll introduce.
 
DaCocoBrova said:
MSRP $2,999

Although I have several here in the office, I can't see them being good for gaming due to the lag it'll introduce.
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Actually, that's the whole point of the iScan VP50 (and VP20/VP30 w/ABT102d add-on)--it has a Game mode that can deinterlace scale a 480i signal up to 1080p in less than half a frame (around 8ms) for the most lag-free experience possible for standard definition material on an HDTV.

For those wanting to go cheaper, the iScan VP20 and VP30 with the ABT102d deinterlacing card can do the same thing for lag-free standard definition gaming on an HDTV (up to 1080p) for much cheaper. If you look on eBay and other sites, you can pick up an iScan VP20 + ABT102d for $1500 or less, which is at least $1000 lower than you'll find a VP50 for.

There's also a glitch in the VP50 right now such that Progressive signals (480p, 720p, 1080p) have lag (3 frames), but it's supposed to be fixed soon in a firmware update. The VP20/VP30 do not have this glitch.

Yes, external video scalers are expensive, but you do get what you pay for.

The XRGB-2+ and XRGB-3 can deinterlace 480i to 480p with no lag for very cheap ($300 and below) but they can only output VGA and are only available in Japan. With the iScan models, you get HDMI out, aspect ratio control, overscan control, and a plethora of other options that are simply unavailable on cheaper products.
 
I have mine hooked up to a 20 inch LCD hdtv in 480p and while the clarity is noticeably better then it was with composite, they are more jaggies.

Still an upgrade, but is there something I can do?
 
While not really related at all, I was sorely disappointed when I realized Zelda would not play letterboxed on my 4:3 TV.

I read nothing about this at all in previews, and heard no reports of it before the game came out, so needless to say I'm more than a little annoyed. I've now got a GameCube copy of the game, for all intents and purposes, and it pisses me the **** off.
 
The Main Event said:
Turn your sharpness down, and try to run it in 480i. Your television video scaler might do a better job than the Wii's.

On my TV, the Wii output is actually blurrier when running in 480p.

Just saying.
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Can anyone explain this to me a bit deeper
 
I just tried Zelda in 480p today, it is super jaggy, like a PS2 game, but i don't care because what it was like in composite is 1000x worse, so i'll take jaggies any day over it.
 
Pellham said:
I just tried Zelda in 480p today, it is super jaggy, like a PS2 game, but i don't care because what it was like in composite is 1000x worse, so i'll take jaggies any day over it.
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Agreed, is this just Zelda's deal? Tony Hawk doesnt look as jaggy
 
KarishBHR said:
comfirmed to make wii sports soooo ****ing jaggy as well
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Yeah, my component cables arrived today and Wii Sports is aliased to hell and back on my 720p LCD. Haven't tried adjusting the TV sharpness yet.
 
Yes 480p is as jaggy as hell once you first try it, but once you turn the sharpness down, it makes all the difference in the world. The Wii looks like the direct feed screenshots you see on the net once the sharpness is adjusted :D

FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY AND SACRED PLEASE TURN THE SHARPNESS DOWN!

This will solve all of your problems.
 
Nuclear Muffin said:
Yes 480p is as jaggy as hell once you first try it, but once you turn the sharpness down, it makes all the difference in the world. The Wii looks like the direct feed screenshots you see on the net once the sharpness is adjusted :D

FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY AND SACRED PLEASE TURN THE SHARPNESS DOWN!

This will solve all of your problems.
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Do you like reading? I like reading...
 
Nuclear Muffin said:
Yes 480p is as jaggy as hell once you first try it, but once you turn the sharpness down, it makes all the difference in the world. The Wii looks like the direct feed screenshots you see on the net once the sharpness is adjusted :D

FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY AND SACRED PLEASE TURN THE SHARPNESS DOWN!

This will solve all of your problems.
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I turned sharpness to 0 and there is still jaggies. Oh well I can live with it.
 
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