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UFO videos: I hope this is an ARG or something. A realistic alien movie would be nice.


FTL travel: Unless you're talking about teleportation/cloning, there's no way.
Matter cannot travel faster than the particles it's composed of.

I do think we could get fairly close though. Ferrofluids, for example, are already showing promise as a result of their lack of viscosity.

 

[Tapiozona]

All the qualified scientists, starting with Hawkings will say the same. In fact, what i say is their opinion. You believe what you want in the end

Based off current physics, sure. But to think that future discoveries won't change that seems horribly naive.

 

[UltimaPooh]

Also what was the most recent thing that Hawkings did to advance scientific understanding and advancement?

 

[Neuromancer]

All the qualified scientists, starting with Hawkings will say the same. In fact, what i say is their opinion. You believe what you want in the end

I guess that's why he said, in April of last year,

We only have to look at ourselves to see how intelligent life might develop into something we wouldn’t want to meet," Hawking said. "I imagine they might exist in massive ships ... having used up all the resources from their home planet. Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking to conquer and colonize whatever planets they can reach.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36769422/ns/technology_and_science-space/

If he believes that is a possibility, then he obviously believes that some kind of interstellar travel may be possible.

 

[shuyin_]

Based off current physics, sure. But to think that future discoveries won't change that seems horribly naive.

You probably don't know much physics. And you're saying that physicians that don't think c can be reached are naive. Right. Makes for a nice b comedy.

Also what was the most recent thing that Hawkings did to advance scientific understanding and advancement?

Helped us understand black holes better and improved upon's Einstein's model

I guess that's why he said, in April of last year,


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36769422/ns/technology_and_science-space/

If he believes that is a possibility, then he obviously believes that some kind of interstellar travel may be possible.

As i said, there are ways around the limit imposed by c; a generations ship would be one. Hawkings expressed the feeling that an alien race that doesn't have any more resources on their homeplanet are forced to become nomads. Not that they'll break c and wander the galaxy

That was in the 80's. I'm talking about recent.

Recently he's been busy being paralysed in a wheelchair. The man did enough and is one of the most brilliant minds of our world.

 

[UltimaPooh]

Helped us understand black holes better and improved upon's Einstein's model

That was in the 80's. I'm talking about recent.

 

[Simon Belmont]

I guess that's why he said, in April of last year,

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36769422/ns/technology_and_science-space/

If he believes that then he obviously believes that some kind of interstellar travel may be possible.

In your quote he only mentions interplanetary travel, not interstellar.

 

[Vagabundo]

Do you even read the papers you link us to? The physicist that wrote this, even said in chapter V that the purpose of his paper is to hypothesize how a warp bubble could be generated and not to discuss and i quote "the plausibility of warp drive, the questions associated with violation of the null energy condition, or issues regarding causality". Also his paper relies on string theory and implies the manipulation of another dimension in creating the warp bubble. It's just theory. Unproven theory. You really really fail. And you even try hard.



All the qualified scientists, starting with Hawkings will say the same. In fact, what i say is their opinion. You believe what you want in the end


Yes, they are wrong as i stated above. They only have theories and hypothesis.
So because they believe in something, even though they have no proof, it means that they are right over the ones that have proof for something? I might believe you're a hobbit from LotR magically transported to present-day Earth; i might even write a paper in which i'll write some theories about how this may be possible. But in the end, it doesn't mean you're actually a hobbit from Middle Earth, does it?

Here you dink, have a read of this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1269288/STEPHEN-HAWKING-How-build-time-machine.html

Where did you get your science degree again? Sent away on a magazine ad was it?

Here's a quote in case you have reading comprehension failures too:

Unfortunately, these real-life time tunnels are just a billion-trillion-trillionths of a centimetre across. Way too small for a human to pass through - but here's where the notion of wormhole time machines is leading. Some scientists think it may be possible to capture a wormhole and enlarge it many trillions of times to make it big enough for a human or even a spaceship to enter.

Given enough power and advanced technology, perhaps a giant wormhole could even be constructed in space. I'm not saying it can be done, but if it could be, it would be a truly remarkable device. One end could be here near Earth, and the other far, far away, near some distant planet.

Theoretically, a time tunnel or wormhole could do even more than take us to other planets. If both ends were in the same place, and separated by time instead of distance, a ship could fly in and come out still near Earth, but in the distant past. Maybe dinosaurs would witness the ship coming in for a landing.

You fail, son.

 

[UltimaPooh]

Recently he's been busy being paralysed in a wheelchair. The man did enough and is one of the most brilliant minds of our world.

True... but my point that I am trying to make is that he is old science. Scientist's eventually get ingrained in their line of thinking as they get older and then newer and younger ones come along to either expand or discover new things. Science is always advancing forward, just because a few old scientist say otherwise doesn't make it so. At all.

 

[Simon Belmont]

Here you dink, have a read of this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1269288/STEPHEN-HAWKING-How-build-time-machine.html

Where did you get your science degree again? Sent away on a magazine ad was it?

Here's a quote in case you have reading comprehension failures too:[



You fail, son.

Unfortunately, these real-life time tunnels are just a billion-trillion-trillionths of a centimetre across. Way too small for a human to pass through - but here's where the notion of wormhole time machines is leading. Some scientists think it may be possible to capture a wormhole and enlarge it many trillions of times to make it big enough for a human or even a spaceship to enter.

Given enough power and advanced technology, perhaps a giant wormhole could even be constructed in space. I'm not saying it can be done, but if it could be, it would be a truly remarkable device. One end could be here near Earth, and the other far, far away, near some distant planet.

Theoretically, a time tunnel or wormhole could do even more than take us to other planets. If both ends were in the same place, and separated by time instead of distance, a ship could fly in and come out still near Earth, but in the distant past. Maybe dinosaurs would witness the ship coming in for a landing.

really?

 

[TheOMan]

You probably don't know much physics. And you're saying that physicians that don't think c can be reached are naive. Right. Makes for a nice b comedy.


Helped us understand black holes better and improved upon's Einstein's model

I think you mean physicists.

Probably. English isn't my first language, so i'm sorry if my posts are hard to read.

Edit: I figured but I didn't want to make assumptions, so was just trying to be helpful . Your posts are not hard to read at all.

 

[shuyin_]

Where did you get your science degree again? Sent away on a magazine ad was it?

I majored in computer science. But even so, i probably studied more physics in university than you in your entire life.

Also i know what Hawkings said about wormholes; he advanced the idea that time travel cannot be possible using an wormhole; only travelling from one point in space to another, not in time.
He even states that the discussion regarding the subject of wormholes is purely hypothetical at this point. So i don't get it, what do i fail at? It seems to me you simply can't grasp the concepts of theory and hypothesis.

I think you mean physicists.

Probably. English isn't my first language, so i'm sorry if my posts are hard to read.

 

[Neuromancer]

As i said, there are ways around the limit imposed by c; a generations ship would be one. Hawkings expressed the feeling that an alien race that doesn't have any more resources on their homeplanet are forced to become nomads. Not that they'll break c and wander the galaxy

In your quote he only mentions interplanetary travel, not interstellar.

He also says we should be concerned about contact with them, now why do you think that would be? (It was my fault for leaving that part out of my quote but I kind of figured you guys might follow my link.)

British physicist Stephen Hawking says aliens are out there, but it could be too dangerous for humans to interact with extraterrestrial life.

Hawking claims in a new documentary titled "Into the Universe With Stephen Hawking" that intelligent alien life forms almost certainly exist — but warns that communicating with them could be "too risky."

The 68-year-old scientist said a visit by extraterrestrials to Earth might well be like Christopher Columbus arriving in the Americas, "which didn't turn out very well for the Native Americans."

Hawking said an attack by interstellar predators is just one of the dismaying possibilities in the search for intelligent life beyond Earth.

 

[Vagabundo]

really?

Yeah, this argument is really only about whether is it theoretically possible. I'm not arguing that it ever will happen only that it could. I happen to believe it will, anything that we imagine will eventually become a reality. I'm arguing that you cannot say that it will never happen,, which is what Shuyin did.

I majored in computer science. But even so, i probably studied more physics in university than you in your entire life.

Also i know what Hawkings said about wormholes; he advanced the idea that time travel cannot be possible using an wormhole; only travelling from one point in space to another, not in time.
He even states that the discussion among the subject of wormholes is purely hypothetical at this point. So i don't get it, what do i fail at? It seems to me you simply can't grasp the concepts of theory and hypothesis.

Probably. English isn't my first language, so i'm sorry if my posts ar hard to read.

Lol. I did Electronic Engineering and did a shit load of physics courses, more than you buddy.

You fail at keeping an open mind. Hawking has a more open mind to this than you do and he knows a hell of a lot more.

 

[Tapiozona]

You probably don't know much physics. And you're saying that physicians that don't think c can be reached are naive. Right. Makes for a nice b comedy.

You're really hung up on e=mc2 aren't you? What about other methods of traveling huge distances without having to travel at the speed of light. Worm holes, or even methods we can't even wrap our heads around at this point in our evolution.

 

[Insane Metal]

Seriously now, this is weird: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNlB0jGDhlM

 

[shuyin_]

You're really hung up on e=mc2 aren't you? What about other methods of traveling huge distances without having to travel at the speed of light. Worm holes, or even methods we can't even wrap our heads around at this point in our evolution.

You fail at keeping an open mind. Hawking has a more open mind to this than you do and he knows a hell of a lot more.

Just for the sake of argument, why do you think it will be possible? It seems both of you seem to think wormholes can be way around c. All i've said is that it's all theory and that c can never be achieved through normal means (no kind of engine can get a ship to accelerate to c).

So why do you think wormholes will be created in the future? Do you know the principles of a wormhole? Or you just believe? You just think... hey, i don't know shit about how it works or what it requires to work or even if it can work, but i'm pretty sure it'll be done. Fuck those scientists that say c is the limit and fuck their knowledge.

I want to believe too, but maybe i'm just not as romantic-naive as you two. I just don't see it happening. Wormholes have a main requirement in the form of exotic matter. Unless we find(produce) some exotic matter, wormhole is like time travel: a concept to use in movies and literature. This is the third time i'm emphasizing the word: hypothetical, in regards to exotic matter. Unless some of you farts some exotic matter, it's only a theory. And i'm right; you're wrong.

 

[Vagabundo]

Just for the sake of argument, why do you think it will be possible? It seems both of you seem to think wormholes can be way around c. All i've said is that it's all theory and that c can never be achieved through normal means (no kind of engine can get a ship to accelerate to c).

So why do you think wormholes will be created in the future? Do you know the principles of a wormhole? Or you just believe? You just think... hey, i don't know shit about how it works or what it requires to work or even if it can work, but i'm pretty sure it'll be done. Fuck those scientists that say c is the limit and fuck their knowledge.

I want to believe too, but maybe i'm just not as romantic-naive as you two. I just don't see it happening. Wormholes have a main requirement in the form of exotic matter. Unless we find(produce) some exotic matter, wormhole is like time travel: a concept to use in movies and literature. This is the third time i'm emphasizing the word: hypothetical, in regards to exotic matter. Unless some of you farts some exotic matter, it's only a theory. And i'm right; you're wrong.

You are getting too caught up in the details.

Listen, open your mind for a second to the possibility that it could happen, but we don't know how. Maybe we manipulate worm holes, maybe we create a "Warp Bubble" in space-time, maybe we find some other kink in the hard physical limits of our universe, given the way it is created I'm sure there are many many oddities yet to be discovered.

Given all that it is extremely foolish to declare, with our current understanding of the universe, and with our current rate of technological progress, that we will never travel faster than light. Maybe it will take us a 1000 years, maybe it is a trick, but the end result will be the same; journeying to another planet in a short amount of time.

And to bring ti back to the thread; if we can do it than maybe someone else already has, so advanced alien civilisations could possibly reach us. If they exist, blah blah.

 

[shuyin_]

You are getting too caught up in the details.

Listen, open your mind for a second to the possibility that it could happen, but we don't know how. Maybe we manipulate worm holes, maybe we create a "Warp Bubble" in space-time, maybe we find some other kink in the hard physical limits of our universe, given the way it is created I'm sure there are many many oddities yet to be discovered.

Given all that it is extremely foolish to declare, with our current understanding of the universe, and with our current rate of technological progress, that we will never travel faster than light. Maybe it will take us a 1000 years, maybe it is a trick, but the end result will be the same; journeying to another planet in a short amount of time.

1. once again, i must point that we understand a lot of how the universe works. Not everything, but a lot.
2. once again, it is not foolish to declare we will never travel faster than c. c is impossible through normal means. Plain and simple. Your mass would be infinite and so would be the energy required.
3. maybe, we'll find an alternative way. But i doubt it. There are some things that are what they are and never change. Like the universal constants, speed of light in vacuum, Nweton's gravitational constant and Planck's. Like this constants there is no way around c, and that won't change now or ever. You'll have to break the universe to get the amount of E needed. If we ever manage to produce exotic matter (which for now is made-up matter) than that's nice. I just don't see it happenning.

And to bring ti back to the thread; if we can do it than maybe someone else already has, so advanced alien civilisations could possibly reach us. If they exist, blah blah.

But we can't. That's the whole point of this discussion we're having. Aliens exists, at least that's my opinion and we are proof. Maybe one two or more races have reached a level of civilization similar or higher to ours. But thei're still bound by the same laws so unless they travel in a generation-ship, we won't make contact.

 

[Simon Belmont]

You are getting too caught up in the details.

Listen, open your mind for a second to the possibility that it could happen, but we don't know how. Maybe we manipulate worm holes, maybe we create a "Warp Bubble" in space-time, maybe we find some other kink in the hard physical limits of our universe, given the way it is created I'm sure there are many many oddities yet to be discovered.

Given all that it is extremely foolish to declare, with our current understanding of the universe, and with our current rate of technological progress, that we will never travel faster than light. Maybe it will take us a 1000 years, maybe it is a trick, but the end result will be the same; journeying to another planet in a short amount of time.

And to bring ti back to the thread; if we can do it than maybe someone else already has, so advanced alien civilisations could possibly reach us. If they exist, blah blah.

Not to get nit-picky here, but none of that really qualifies as evidence as to why it might be possible. Sure, it's nice to think about, but there is at least an equal (more than equal if you ask me) chance that we will never exceed the speed of light on a scale larger than particle physics.

 

[Tapiozona]

Just for the sake of argument, why do you think it will be possible? It seems both of you seem to think wormholes can be way around c. All i've said is that it's all theory and that c can never be achieved through normal means (no kind of engine can get a ship to accelerate to c).

So why do you think wormholes will be created in the future? Do you know the principles of a wormhole? Or you just believe? You just think... hey, i don't know shit about how it works or what it requires to work or even if it can work, but i'm pretty sure it'll be done. Fuck those scientists that say c is the limit and fuck their knowledge.

I want to believe too, but maybe i'm just not as romantic-naive as you two. I just don't see it happening. Wormholes have a main requirement in the form of exotic matter. Unless we find(produce) some exotic matter, wormhole is like time travel: a concept to use in movies and literature. This is the third time i'm emphasizing the word: hypothetical, in regards to exotic matter. Unless some of you farts some exotic matter, it's only a theory. And i'm right; you're wrong.

You don't see it happening because you're not intelligent enough (don't worry I'm not either). I may romanticize the possibility but you seem completely hell bent on believing that there's NO CHANCE we will ever find a solution to the problem. There have been people like you spouting the same shit since the beginning of time and they've always been prooven wrong. Will you be wrong? Maybe, maybe not. But I won't put a guarantee on it like you see able to. You are not right. You just don't know and that puts you in the same boat as me.

 

[shuyin_]

YI may romanticize the possibility but you seem completely hell bent on believing that there's NO CHANCE we will ever find a solution to the problem. There have been people like you spouting the same shit since the beginning of time and they've always been prooven wrong.

This is different. I'm not going to bother explaining again, because Articate already explained it.

This is something we have come to understand and we know exactly why we can't solve this problem. What you're saying is equivalent to saying 1+1 = 3 in base 10. Which will never be possible.
Until an intelligent enough man to produce exotic matter is born, this will remain the grim reality.

 

[Mudkips]

3 videos, 3 different cameras, 2 groups of people on opposite sides of the city with the same timing.

You mean one person made a fake video, then another person filmed another video of nothing, then added a falling white circle to match it?

My god they're either pros or this shit is real!

 

[RankoSD]

Analyzed video of the 2009 sighting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehxixQxVxg8

Interesting part is that it goes up at incredible speed just like the Jerusalem one, for me this looks more real then the later ones...