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Namco censors Tales of Berseria despite insisting they won't
- Thread starter ShadowSoldier89
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Technically it would have made more sense for her original outfit to be this design decayed because
she was stuck inside a tower for years until she escaped
Augemitbutter
Member
i'm pretty patient currently. will get it at bomba or used later if people say it's good. did the same with all the censored nintendo games.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Yeahhh bois party's still on. Looks good.I think this is what she wears at the start, no idea if it's a costume or not
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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I think this is what she wears at the start, no idea if it's a costume or not
About a half hour after the intro dungeon you gain the option to switch back to this outfit+hair.
Makes you wonder why they even bother to make that other awful costume. Sex appeal?
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Deleted member 518609
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What a stupid change. It even ruins one of the major story beats for the game with [Major Berseria Spoilers]
Velvet killing Artorius with the same sword through the chest in the exact same way.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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There's that, plus the fact that Berseria's general atmosphere and story is very grim & cruel, I'm guessing the character designer wanted to really hammer that home by making Velvet's design look edgy. I'm glad they at least offered the villager costume as alt because I was expecting it to be dlc. (this game is actually surprisingly generous with non-paid costumes compared to the last several Tales)
Glitter and Gold
Banned
Usually I roll my eyes at these censorship threads, but the change here totally kills the impact of the scene, which seems like it's crucial in establishing the tone of the entire game.
Hopefully the response gets them to change it back. It worked for Dual Audio in P5.
Hopefully the response gets them to change it back. It worked for Dual Audio in P5.
I remember people caring about all of those in decent numbers (or at least being loud enough) except for Xenoblade X. The only censorship in Xenoblade X was the kind that it's either hard to really be concerned about (Lin's base character model when wearing very light clothing), or so minor that no one really cared (a single clothing item out of dozens being altered that most players would never see in the first place). There were some legitimate concerns about localization choices (changing names or acronyms around to make more sense in English but also in a way that removed how they tied into the plot and themes) but those were also quite minor.
The rest of those though had actual impact on stuff in the main plot of a game or noticeably altered gameplay features. I would consider concerns about any of those to be worth considering. I'd also put the censorship we're seeing here in the same camp.
MrSaturn99
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Not to mention the numerous, divisive GAF threads about the games in question.
kunonabi
Member
I'm finishing up the Japanese version right now and there were bits of violence that were changed a bit and I would consider removed character customization options as altered gameplay features.
Valdfellgar
Banned
The thing is those are all drops in a bucket. A couple forum threads, a minor campaign to complain? The sad truth is most people don't care, not until it actually affects crap they give an F about.
I cared about all that stuff, not always because I felt it was essential, but because I don't like censorship at all. I'm well aware I wasn't the only one upset, but the sad truth is the people who do care are by far outnumbered until things like Dragon Ball Fusions stupid level of censorship start hitting things more people care about.
To be fair, the censored scenes in Episode I work better than the uncensored Japanese version, in my opinion and Episode II's censored scene was so quick that you wouldn't notice if you didn't know about it. There's no excusing Episode III, though.
ShadowSoldier89
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because its awesome and the starter costume is boring
hydrophilic attack
Member
why don't you just watch the uncensored cut scenes on youtube
WickedLaharl
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Lol slippery slope logic
Most of those changes were for the best and no one cares about a shitty volley ball game.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
sure
We could argue about some but the changes in #FE were pretty bad and had no consistency.
YianGaruga
Banned
So I just watched the comparison video, how can you call this censorship? The pretty much completely remade (and enhanced with additional effects) the scene, and the kid is still murdered. What am I missing?
I'm super anti censorship, but this just seems like a change that doesn't really affect anything? Calling it censorship is a big stretch
I'm super anti censorship, but this just seems like a change that doesn't really affect anything? Calling it censorship is a big stretch
Thank God.
Glitter and Gold
Banned
I mean I wasn't even aware there was an edit until I saw this thread.
I watched the dub cutscene on my timeline and thought it was really goofy, but figured that's just how Tales Of was.
Saw the original in this thread and wish I had seen that first.
It's just kind of a bummer that their solution totally kills the impact of that scene. Personally I'd want to be hit with the feeling of the original in my experience with the game.
I asked the same question. If you play it with japanese VO it will lead to some big problem if it dont change back to the japanese cutscene.
MotionBlue
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Later events in the game will make little/no sense, as they reference how the kid died visually. Its also beyond gaudy, and arguably diminishes what happened.
Why even play the game? You can just watch it on youtube!
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
Are you fucking kidding me?
This butchers any poignancy that scene might have had.
What an idiotic change.
Valdfellgar
Banned
You'll care when they start censoring your beloved Troy Baker.
Coffee Dog
Banned
in dragon ball fusions US version Trunks doesn't use his sword likely because of child characters. Dragon Ball games are going to have a problem with this considering the amount of violent 10 year olds the series has.
wow what the actual fuck
wow what the actual fuck
Benzychenz
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A little off topic, but with people in here saying this is a great Tales game, what other entries are at the top of the series?
Oh, really? Do you have any examples?
MulderYuffie
Member
Can't wait for the PC version to fix it.
PrinnyBomb
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Haven't played the latter two, but I think the general consensus is
Vesperia, Synphonia, Graces f, Abyss and Destiny.
I'm sure you do, pal!
OniBarubary
Banned
This is incredibly disappointing. One of the biggest things that caught my interest for this game was it's dark tone and to see it changed in a way that lessens the impact of certain scenes is really frustrating. You can't hope to have the proper emotional or visceral response to something if you remove the factor that creates that response. Like "Please be sad at this brutal death but we'll just do a 90s 4kids anime slash so nobody would see anything violent in a game that deals in SUPER HEAVY THEMES"
Vesperia is the most notable because of its art style and main character that is somewhat different from other main characters.
Tales in itself is not a 'great' franchise. Its good to average for most games, but certain games have elements that are memorable.
Symphonia is notable mostly for having a decent story and being one of the few major JRPG's on Gamecube, but its sequel was shit tier.
Xillia i thought was good, but the sequel completely destroyed it with the sequelitis disease.
Graces had good combat and a good artstyle but the story and characters were embarrasing.
Phantasia was a good game, and that's all i can say about it.
I don't count Legendia because it generally was not made by the Tales team
Abyss was also okay, but the main guy is severely hit or miss.
Zestiria was just bland and unmemorable as a story and a game, as well as being a severe step back from even Xillia 2 in term of gameplay
Inomata is just a bad character design in general.
MrSaturn99
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This was a rather hot topic last year to the point where it gained extensive game media coverage, 20+ page threads and Twitter campaigns, not to mention much debate over how far localization should go. I'll grant it's not such a big deal now but I distinctly recall the controversies surrounding Fates and Star Ocean and the like.
Uh
Symphonia, Abyss, and Vesperia are the only ones you should bother with. The first two are actually some of my GOATS, although Symphonia is a product of its time.
I've heard good things about Phantasia but I haven't played it yet.
This change looks pretty disappointing to me. The original feels more brutal, more physical, more personal and more instilling of a need for revenge.
Considering the Steam version comes with the Japanese VA I do wonder how weird the opening cutscene is gonna end up sounding since the change also makes it needlessly longer.
Considering the Steam version comes with the Japanese VA I do wonder how weird the opening cutscene is gonna end up sounding since the change also makes it needlessly longer.
The series is kind of the COD of JRPG's. They release very frequently and all have a fairly consistent level of quality but never really go above and beyond. The series suffers from a "comfort food" or "junk food" syndrome as I would call it none of them I would consider truly "great" when compared to some of the best JRPG's ever made.
Now with that out the way. Of the ones I've played I would recommend the following.
Zestiria: For some reason it gets a bad rap but of the series I feel it had perhaps one of the strongest character arcs for a protagonist by the end of the game he is a completely changed person and it happens so subtly over time. He sees countless horrible things needless deaths, times when him just being there causes things to turn for the worse, and other problems that eat away at his initial happy go lucky attitude. By the end of Zestiria I seriously felt a strong attachment to Sorey and legitimately sympathized with where he was and what he had to do. He wasn't just making these sacrifices because of "lol power of friendship" but because he wanted to try to right just a few of the wrongs with the world. Story is a bit run of the mill though with no real surprises along the way barring one scene.
Symphonia: I'm a bit biased on this one because it was my first tales but I absolutely loved it from start to finish. It has a good cast and an equally good story with multiple "I did not see that coming" twists that raise the stakes considerably over time. It's themes of battling racism were also really well handled IMO.
IMO Vesparia is way over rated. I really couldn't get into it the 2 times I attempted to play through. None of the characters grabbed me and the protagonist is probably one of the worst lifeless bores I've seen in a tales game. They seemed to have been going for a more "edgy" cloud style character and failed miserably.
Breastplates and giraffe necks
oneofthose
Banned
bad designer because the costume is not practical to wear. wtf. its fiction.
Valdfellgar
Banned
Yeah that was a joke. I wasn't serious.
Benzychenz
Member
Thanks.
I actually have a Gamecube copy of Symphonia so I'll play that at some point. If I like it I'll get Graces F and then maybe just jump to Berseria.
Don't have an Xbox for Vesperia and the PS2 version of Abyss didn't get a PAL release, I'll see if I can find a 3DS copy.
I would actually recommend playing Xillia 1 as well. Its a good game, but watch out for the sequel
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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Figured.
My hype was high for this game but it's cratering right now to find out that they are fucking with the NA version.
I'll never get over how stupid that design isWow what an edgy game
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