Phantast2k
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From what I understand we're going in a direction where modelling trumps programming. And you need much less people to model stuff than to program stuff.
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Name a job. Can we automate it?
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From what I understand we're going in a direction where modelling trumps programming. And you need much less people to model stuff than to program stuff.
teruterubozu
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Seems necessary. Hopefully bots that stay on topic and follow strict OP rules.
Mysterious
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Virtual Reality + that other stuff I've seen on NSFW gifs on /r/funny.
We'll never reach full automation for anything other than entry level/part time retail jobs. There will be too much pushback from colleges who rely on exploiting college age teens into expensive degrees at 4 year schools which can easily be done by automation. Lose the jobs, lose the pursuit of education, lose the cash. Hurts banks and colleges.
Can't keep people in the hole when robots are busy trying to pave over it.
Can't keep people in the hole when robots are busy trying to pave over it.
Aztechnology
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Yes this is a really interesting video. I'm guessing hell talk about how cloud technology is a huge game changer for this too. Thanks for sharing.
Ginger Hail
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Robot repairer's repairer's repairer's repairers
Aztechnology
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Anything that requires rote tasks is probably first on the block. That's why so many people are posting jobs that are menial labor. Like grocery baggers, janitors etc. But the real ones to consider are things that are white collar but fairly reptitive in nature.
Accountant? How easily could that be replaced?
A Pretty Panda
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Baby making
You still have to learn how to use the APIs and solve the immense number of problems that come up when designing and implementing a project.
EDIT: Also, to automate you need to program the automation. When does not exist without the other.
teruterubozu
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I'm only human, man.
That's fine. Still laid off most of the programmer workforce.
Deserted Maniac Island
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Digital prophet.
richardhawk
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Drug dealers and strippers.
Mysterious
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Guys... I'm an automation software engineer who creates systems to replace Chinese factory quality control inspectors... Am I bringing about the extinction of our species? Because that's depressing as fuck.
If that's the case people would care when jobs are moved to another country. Or you would think that people would support product made in their own country. At the end of the day people just want the lowest price.
depends .
Are the machines asking yet why they exist or declaring you as illogical or inferior ?
Given how many different stuff programmers I think you are over simplifying it.
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PetriP-TNT
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Of course you can. Hell, most of the tech already exists and is used, if not for fixing broken stuff but the parts needed to do that separately. Machines learn, they are really good at figuring out which things are what and they most certainly can be thought every single detail about any machinery.
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Well, you say specialize. That word implies that while some chains will use human workers as part of their unique selling proposition, but that also means a lot of them won't. The thing about automation isn't that it immediately wipes out all human jobs, it's that a lot of jobs can be done by a significantly lesser amount of people.
I'm a translator and automation to me means I can do some jobs a lot faster thanks to translation memories, but on the flipside a client pays me less if a certain string is a 100% match in the memory they provided or even when there is only a 60% match. This number can be fairly arbitrary as it could mean I could have to make an entirely new translation, but I'm still getting paid less for that word string.
In translation a lot of people obviously still value the human touch, but more and more humans are used to post-edit machine translation. For a lot of businesses free machine translations are preferred over quality translations because they don't think it's worth the cost to have someone translate their texts.
Huge corporations like Tripadvisor, Glassdoor and Yelp machine translate all user reviews, because they did a cost-benefit analysis and they deem the auto-translations are good enough for the purpose they serve on their site. Content mills are another good example. There are plenty of sites that pump out machine translation for how-to guides that are completely nonsensical, but presumably the ad money's good enough so they don't really care about the quality.
Obviously, translation will still be around and no serious author is going to machine translate their book for instance, but for a lot of use cases in which a company would have consulted a professional translator, they prefer an automated solution or something like crowdsourcing simply because it costs less.
No. You're working on implementation of existing automation technologies, not designing new classes of automation systems that provide the foundation for the work guys like you do
Phantast2k
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No. You're working on implementation of existing automation technologies, not designing new classes of automation systems that provide the foundation for the work guys like you do
So... is this less evil then? D:
I Stalk Alone
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LAWYERS
TheSecondSpitter
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The video I posted shows how legal work can be automated.
The manipulation of data is easy to automate. But the actual interpretation is still a challenge.
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From 2011:
Armies of Expensive Lawyers, Replaced by Cheaper Software
“From a legal staffing viewpoint, it means that a lot of people who used to be allocated to conduct document review are no longer able to be billed out,” said Bill Herr, who as a lawyer at a major chemical company used to muster auditoriums of lawyers to read documents for weeks on end. “People get bored, people get headaches. Computers don’t.”
Onlinehero
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There have always been protests when technology replaces jobs, but it will cause a delay at most. The people most likely to protest will be the ones losing their jobs, and what are they going to do, strike? For the rest of the population it's an equation of proximity to someone who is hurt financially by the automation to the comfort automation will bring. Hell even thinking that the grocery store will be a thing for much longer isn't really thinking ahead, you can bet that soon you'll be getting a pre-purchased bag through a hole in the wall if not entirely delivered by drones. Try arguing that companies should hire cashiers for the nostalgia feel of going to the store (and not automate that quaint idea as well) and think how strong that position is -- you could even shop in VR!
There are plenty of subjects to study at university level that's fulfilling without necessarily leading to employment. In places where education is free we're already stuffing our universities with the otherwise unemployed. Paid education may go out the window, but that's not the only way to do it. You could even argue that (free) education will increase when there's little point for people to compete at the job market. We're not really doing anything about what's coming yet though, which is why it seems incompatible as it is.
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Artists.
PetriP-TNT
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Been there, done that: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-35977315
Computers can easily create any kinds of "art" though, not just mimic existing things.
Computers can learn and then detect about behaviour patterns and changes of them, learn about medical issues and know how to fix them, hell, even operate on them.
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Physicians and surgeons at the absolute bottom of the list. Thank christ.
I have recurring visions of walking Diagnose-a-tron 3000's that are going to stifle my future career plans. As long as people will still prefer actual humans in healthcare i'm pretty safe.
Onlinehero
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Medical aid for humans is already being automated, and that's a lot more developed and complex than animal care. There's nothing to show it won't be the same in animal care. Even for behaviour, once you have a large enough database combined with medical monitoring equipment (cameras, sampling tools etc.) you can see that becoming more efficient than human labour. Feeding and cleaning will go first, though.
Most jobs that don't have a significant amount of people *desiring* human interaction will probably be at risk with time.
If people still want to talk to or interact with a person rather than a bot for whatever reason, that's where they will go, and A.I. that could otherwise handle the job fine won't actually be able to because that's what the market will dictate. The opposite is true as well, basically anything considered with self service options has been at the forefront.
This does need to get discussed a lot though, or it will turn incredibly ugly down the road. Lots and lots of perfectly capable people who will want to work to make a living will not be able to, far more than ever before and that's going to have very serious consequences for everyone in pretty much every developed nation if not addressed well in advance.
I think a lot of people would be just fine with a leisure-only lifestyle, or at least a leisure centric one where you can live comfortably working ~20 hours of actual income a week (me included), but there's a lot of unanswered problems and questions between here and there in order to make it work.
If people still want to talk to or interact with a person rather than a bot for whatever reason, that's where they will go, and A.I. that could otherwise handle the job fine won't actually be able to because that's what the market will dictate. The opposite is true as well, basically anything considered with self service options has been at the forefront.
This does need to get discussed a lot though, or it will turn incredibly ugly down the road. Lots and lots of perfectly capable people who will want to work to make a living will not be able to, far more than ever before and that's going to have very serious consequences for everyone in pretty much every developed nation if not addressed well in advance.
I think a lot of people would be just fine with a leisure-only lifestyle, or at least a leisure centric one where you can live comfortably working ~20 hours of actual income a week (me included), but there's a lot of unanswered problems and questions between here and there in order to make it work.
Modbot already seems to function fine. Bar the occasional hiccup here and there.
I have one. Mothers
Crazy. Well I can atleast rest easy knowing that it's probably way too expensive to install all this stuff in every animals enclosure. Most zoos don't have enough money to do half the stuff they want.
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