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NASA moon mission 1st April
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Mengy
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I almost saw a shuttle launch once but we had to leave the day before it flew, so we just got to see it on the pad waiting to go. Was still awesome to see the shuttle on the pad like that in person.
falconhoof
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Currently ~12 minutes out from igniting to the moon should all the final checks go well.
Seems that there's a leak, but not one that's of enough concern to not go.
Seems that there's a leak, but not one that's of enough concern to not go.
falconhoof
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falconhoof
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Just a few miles more.
nkarafo
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Is this supposed to be a real photograph?
falconhoof
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Just noticed that it was posted yesterday. So likely not.
Here's the latest I can see from last year
Unknown Soldier
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MrTroubleMaker
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RCX
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Can't they ask copilot what to do?
Chittagong
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Of course the female astronaut had to go pee immediately after liftoff
Angry_Megalodon
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People saying that we can send humans to Mars with the existing tech really need to come to their senses. Imagine a travel of several months lost in space without any backup from Earth, with all the physical and psychological challenges they'd have to endure as well as the issues of sharing a tight space with others under extreme pressure.
Bojji
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Yeah. I think mars is beyond what humans can endure (with current tech).
At least 50% chance that you will die on this mission.
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Power Pro
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Hoping someone here can help me flesh out my arguments. I'm an avid believer in the importance of space exploration, and expanding our knowledge of the universe, but I need help from you guys, because I don't always have all the answers. It's more of a hobby interest of mine then an actual area of study.
I was talking with family the day of the launch, and I just brought up in casual conversation "Hey, we launched a rocket today! finally going back to the moon"...and sadly they must not care about this stuff like I do, because they went on thinking it was a waste of money, and how we should be looking at feeding people on earth, etc...
From things I've read that starvation is not the thing in a lot of the world that it used to be, because food production has actually improved. Poverty is sure a thing, and people not being able to afford food, that's another thing entirely, but as far as going back to the moon being a waste of money, I don't believe that. I started telling them why it's not, because I know there is potential water deposits on the south pole of the moon, and accessing that can lead to future base setups on the moon which would make further space exploration manageable.
This is kinda where my knowledge ends though, and I'd like to come up with better counter arguments to express why it's worthwhile. I just love the exploration of the universe, and would love to see more of it happen in my lifetime. I know the current Artemis program is only really happening because America felt threatened by China starting up their own Moon exploration program, but whatever makes it happen.
I was talking with family the day of the launch, and I just brought up in casual conversation "Hey, we launched a rocket today! finally going back to the moon"...and sadly they must not care about this stuff like I do, because they went on thinking it was a waste of money, and how we should be looking at feeding people on earth, etc...
From things I've read that starvation is not the thing in a lot of the world that it used to be, because food production has actually improved. Poverty is sure a thing, and people not being able to afford food, that's another thing entirely, but as far as going back to the moon being a waste of money, I don't believe that. I started telling them why it's not, because I know there is potential water deposits on the south pole of the moon, and accessing that can lead to future base setups on the moon which would make further space exploration manageable.
This is kinda where my knowledge ends though, and I'd like to come up with better counter arguments to express why it's worthwhile. I just love the exploration of the universe, and would love to see more of it happen in my lifetime. I know the current Artemis program is only really happening because America felt threatened by China starting up their own Moon exploration program, but whatever makes it happen.
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Bojji
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I think moon landing was the greatest human achievement. Our ancestors were looking at the moon for at least 200000 years, no one expected that some day humans will be walking on it.
Too bad current civilization will probably start to fall apart in not so distant future...
DenchDeckard
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Before I read Asimov I felt somewhat like I was riding the centre, I wanted us to explore space but it felt like the message over the last few years is that its billionaires like Musk and Jeff Bazos are just competing to fly around in space like men children. I am sure there is some of that, but from reading Asimov and having a genius scientific mind explain why, as humanity we should be seeking knowledge of the unknown. We have intelligent minds and we should be doing everything we can to understand our environment on this planet and beyond.
How do we not know that the cure for cancer is out there, or elements that we have never seen, KNOWLEDGE that we do not currently know. It is literally, we know NOTHING about it and what is out there really. Thats my stance.
I would rather spend money on space than many other things. The food situation etc is not caused by space exploration, there is many more problems we could be looking at to deal with those issues.
The reality is, one significant find or something truly interesting from space could completely shift the narrative and get the world EXCITED! - but we have to invest to even be able to allow a chance of that.
It is a tough one to "Sell" people on.
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sono
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Musk is thinking robots first. The spacestation shows humans can survive for months away from earth
Bojji
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But you can always return to earth is something goes wrong. You don't have that luxury on mars... I think space station around mars would at least provide some emergency to people on the ground (similar to many movies about mars landing). But people on space station would still have nowhere to go...
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Tomorrow
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yeah i don't think we'll ever make it to mars. not even the billionaires. bunkers it is.
I think moon landing was the greatest human achievement. Our ancestors were looking at the moon for at least 200000 years, no one expected that some day humans will be walking on it.
Too bad current civilization will probably start to fall apart in not so distant future...
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Mengy
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Nah we'll make it to Mars eventually. Possibly not in our lifetime though!
Just look at how rapidly tech has advanced over the last 50 years. Now imagine the next 50 years of tech. While Mars is very difficult for us today, there will come a time when it's as easy as flying to China is today for us. Don't know how long it will be until that time arrives, but its inevitable given a zoomed out perspective.
Tomorrow
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the comment was largely in response to possibility of civilization collapsing. if that happens then we're not getting to mars.
if the studies are holding up (and they seem to be) then we've got 20 years maybe to get to Mars.
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ReBurn
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With current technology there's a 100% certainty that you die on this mission because we currently don't have a good way to bring people back. There would need to be a way to power a return rocket with enough thrust to escape Mars gravity, which would likely require launching and landing that rocket ahead of time or docking with it and dragging it along after leaving Earth orbit because physics probably won't allow launching the destination vehicle with enough fuel to also make it back. Not to mention taking along enough food, water and oxygen for the round trip since there's currently no way to resupply beyond Earth's orbit.
Bojji
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People in the past were signing up for stuff like that (and it's not like there were many good alternatives to make money), but I think westerners are living far too comfortable right now so I don't expect many volunteers.
But of course, there are people brave enough that will do it (same thing was true for the first space missions).
MayauMiao
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At least they didn't have to deal with Outlook.
Tams
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Other than the passive aggressive approach of telling them that we could all just go back to being hunter-gatherers (and billions die in the process)...
Tell them to two are not mutually exclusive, and that even if we scrapped space exploration and military spending, that poverty and hunger would not be solved.
Aesius
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Powerhouse
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Any pictures of earth yet?
Wildebeest
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First they have to photoshop out all the demons and angels then apply the calculations to make it look like a ball instead of flat.
DKehoe
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My great-grandfather was a vet who got invited to take part in one of Shackleton's expeditions to look after the dogs. Something came up and he wasn't able to take part but it's a cool bit of family history.
HeisenbergFX4
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My guess is they would do the same type of thing that we used for the moon landings, i.e. a larger craft that just orbits Mars a few times while a lander goes down for the symbolic "first step on Mars" moment and then goes back up to catch the ride home.
As for water, presumably they are close system recycling (ewwwww), not sure if they have cracked CO2 to O2 biological cycling at sufficient scale, and food of course would be freeze dried.
Isn't the plan to use moon water to get hydrogen and oxygen to load up a ship that has gotten off Earth? That would probably allow for a pretty generous amount of delta V for the trip to and from Mars. Gotta figure it out on Kerbal Space program.....
jshackles
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The "space race" of the 1950s through 1970s indirectly created a huge amount of prosperity in America, the effects of which we felt all the way into the 1990s. It inspired a generation of people to go into STEM knowing that knowledge and intellect would be rewarded with good jobs. I grew up in a small town in the Midwest, and even there we had several companies making batteries for the shuttle program that continued making batteries commercially afterward, and this played out over and over again across the country. In a way, NASA of that era generated so many jobs either directly or by inspiring future generations that I suspect the US hasn't had such a huge return on investment since.
The problem we have now is that with such wealth inequality in the country, even if you directly gave people money for groceries to solve hunger it would only effectively be a way for the government to transfer billions in wealth to the owners and CEOs of Walmart and Tyson.
nush
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You can the the aurora, that's awsome.
sono
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The engineering and finance models are radically different between Spacex and Nasa. Nasa you have many contractors bureacratic overheads and accounting for public taxes.
My Musk is saying 100tons to orbit reusable in a couple of years and mass production of starship. Setting up infra at scale on the moon or Mars you need that capability.
Right now, Nasa cant make one reliable loo it seems and moon missions are 50 years apart.
Earth is no longer big enough for us.
My Musk is saying 100tons to orbit reusable in a couple of years and mass production of starship. Setting up infra at scale on the moon or Mars you need that capability.
Right now, Nasa cant make one reliable loo it seems and moon missions are 50 years apart.
Earth is no longer big enough for us.
Very cool piece of lore!
DenchDeckard
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there she is!
Bojji
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AI generated!!!
Looks fucking amazing, I would love to see that in person
No offense to Gallileo but I can draw that just looking out my window
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Bojji
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2D jpeg image, FAKE!