Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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psp already lost lol. stupid thread starter :lol
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NDS vs. PSP - 3rd Parties in japan!!!
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Kurosaki Ichigo
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This thread is old as other people said, its just 3rd party titles for PSP and NDS that appeared on Famitsu 2005 numbers. 2004 was really favorable to PSP and 2006 is quite favorable to DS. That is the trend.
No matter the trend, both handheld are doing really bad in terms of 3rd party software in Japan. DS is a let down when you compared them to 1st party, but it has more potential to overcome this with DQM, FF3, TOT and such.
No matter the trend, both handheld are doing really bad in terms of 3rd party software in Japan. DS is a let down when you compared them to 1st party, but it has more potential to overcome this with DQM, FF3, TOT and such.
As I stated before, the trend is going down for PSP and up for DS in terms of 3rd-party sales in Japan. 2005 was a transition year (PSP was higher for the first part of the year and the DS was higher for the last part of the year), so the totals are fairly close.
See Dalthien's post here from back in April.
See Dalthien's post here from back in April.
Dalthien said:
...but there are already plenty of games of that quality level.mckmas8808 said:
Not to jump into a list here, but all of these games are awesome...
Lumines, Ridge Racer, Wipeout Pure, GTA, Pursuit Force, Syphon Filter, Daxter, EXIT, Gurumin, Loco Roco, Irregular Hunter X, Rockman Rockman, Katamari, Tales of Eternia, Karakuri, Metal Gear Ac!d, Metal Gear Ac!d 2, Gradius Collection, Tekken, Hot Shots Golf, Twisted Metal, Virtua Tennis and more.
Those are some really damn good games and there are a lot more on the way.
AdmiralViscen
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renvi said:
Anihawk has a compass. Anihawk doesn't get lost.
sugarhigh4242
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In Japan, DS is definitely king for the forseeable future.
But to call PSP dead is insane. Xbox360 is dead. PSP is consistently the 2nd best selling system in Japan. It will probably never surpass DS, but it still has a sizable audience, and MGS: PO and the only proper RPG followup to FF7 can't hurt.
But to call PSP dead is insane. Xbox360 is dead. PSP is consistently the 2nd best selling system in Japan. It will probably never surpass DS, but it still has a sizable audience, and MGS: PO and the only proper RPG followup to FF7 can't hurt.
typhonsentra
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Zyid said:
Pretty sure it's an action RPG. And Tamagotchi is definitely not higher than all PSP games combined.
I believe that most developers deep down figured the PSP to destroy the DS. I think now that the DS has cemented it's place well above the PSP, we will start to see these numbers trend drastically towards the DS. Alot of 3rd party development has probably ramped up within the last few months. Devs aren't too stupid, even though Nintendo's games outsell, how do deny such a rapidly growing userbase? You can't.
Moor-Angol
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Nice works, if you want to make a similar thing with LTD data, instead of only 2005, you can take a look at my pages, they are updated every week, on thursday and friday.
DS chart
PSP chart
ps: DS chart is complete, with all games that appeared on Famitsu charts (weekly, monthly, yearly), while PSP chart only tracks game that sold more than 15k units
DS chart
PSP chart
ps: DS chart is complete, with all games that appeared on Famitsu charts (weekly, monthly, yearly), while PSP chart only tracks game that sold more than 15k units
DemDereNads
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Dracos said:
Umm, Worldwide PSP 3rd party sales have to be QUITE a bit higher than DS's... DS hasn't cemented anything as far as 3rd party sales are concerned.
Unless 2006 3rd party software sales change drastically across the board for the DS, any overall 3rd party sales win in comparison to the PSP looks like it'll be a pyrrhic victory, at least to the actual 3rd party developers and publishers. The charts posted for 2005 don't even have a single million seller among the 3rd party releases across both handheld platforms. Looking at Moor-Angol's list, only one 3rd party game (Tamagotchi) has managed to crack that barrier in 2006. More than 70 3rd party games were released in 2005 and only managed about 80000 in unit sales each, on average. Despite how much more robust the handheld sector should be as a result of the DS hardware breaking all kinds of sales records and the presence of a legitimate competitor in the form of the PSP, you've still got slim pickings for 3rd party Japanese game developers.
Again, looking at figures post June 2005 paints a highly different picture. PSP had a stunning launch (much better than DS by most accounts) but since the start of last summer software sales have dropped off the face of the earth. It's pretty bad actually, 3rd party PSP games are generally selling on level with GameCube games, despite somewhat healthier hardware sales... and if 3rd parties couldn't make ends meat on GC, I wonder how long they'll bother to keep propping up PSP?typhonsentra said:
Yikes! I think this statement was a little too telling on your part Dark. DS software is most certainly not ahead of PSP by any degree, but it's okay to have the opposite opinion?dark10x said:
If true, it'd be thanks to EA/GTA almost entirely... Japanese publishers aren't seeing big western sales either in most cases though, DS is pretty clearly the best target for any of them.DemDereNads said:
Moor-Angol
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E-Nature said:
ready first line on that page, please
DemDereNads
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Umm, Lumines sold 500m world-wide a very long time ago.
Ridge Racer is over a million
Capcom has to be very happy with the success of Monster Hunter Freedom
EA and Rockstar aren't the only ones reaping the rewards of developing PSP games.
No, just the vast majority. EA/GTA dominate PSP software sales almost to the same degree Nintendo does DS.DemDereNads said:
I should have clarified though that 3rd party JP stuff did do rather well at launch in each region, but in most cases like Japan, sales seem to have stalled a few months later. You won't be seeing Ridge Racers 2 come anywhere near a million. Ditto for Lumines 2 cracking 500k.
sugarhigh4242
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Zyid said:
Where do you get "Hack 'n Slash combat" from. The only thing that's been said about Crisis Core's gameplay is that its "previously unseen gameplay".
Regardless, the other entries in the FF7 Compilation are completely non-RPG.
DemDereNads
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jarrod said:
Yes, your posts typically do need to be clarified and made more and more general into complete vagueness.
You don't seem to be countering the fact DS has in no way shape or form "cemented" itself above the PSP as far as 3rd parties are concerned.
Compare the sales for each developer between PSP & DS, and the PSP will come out on top for the majority.
kaching said:
This is why people are going to be keeping an eye out for the performance of games like Final Fantasy III, Dragon Quest Monsters, Shinsei Rockman ZN and Tales of the Tempest, because these are some of Japan's stronger franchises and at least Final Fantasy III has a reasonable shot at one million, something I can't say the same for Crisis Core.
Before Crisis was a traditional RPG (though divided up into chapters I believe). Crisis Core has been confirmed to be an Action RPG, given the team behind it I'd expect something along the lines of Kingdom Hearts design wise. It should be a pretty big title imo, PSP's best chance of finally snagging a million seller in Japan too.sugarhigh4242 said:
Ouch!DemDereNads said:
Not really the case for Japan though, which seems to be what this topic's concerned with.DemDereNads said:
Again, that's not really the case for Japan. From these charts PSP is also looking a bit better than it's current performance thanks to it's strong protracted launch period (going until spring 2005), if we looked at figures after that it'd be even more solidly in DS' favor.DemDereNads said:
DemDereNads
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Statement I was replying to didn't seem to be talking specifically about Japan, also, Japanese devs have the luxury of bringing their games outside of Japan. Hard to talk about 3rd party sales by Japanese developers and not talk about world-wide. Furthermore, DS STILL hasn't even "cemented" itself above the DS 3rd party wise in Japan. Both are doing pretty sad 3rd party wise in Japan.
AdmiralViscen
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dark10x said:
Why shouldn't he? DS has led third party sales in Japan for a good 8 months now, and it's got Final Fantasy and stuff on the way in the next 8 months. No reason to think PSP will ever have a third party sales lead on DS again.
kaching said:
Um, welcome to the handheld market, and welcome to Japan. There are like 5 GBA games that sold over a million: 4 pokemons and SMB remake. There are what, 6 PS2 games that have sold a million in the last 6 years, in Japan? What the hell would you expect for DS and PSP?
DemDereNads said:
Which third parties have come out and said they are happy with their PSP sales in the West? I know Atlus, Majesco, and Konami have done so for DS.
Which is why in my response I brought the discussion back on topic.DemDereNads said:
Which post launch has amounted to precious little. There's a few exceptions (PES notably) but JP PSP games aren't selling well in the west either.DemDereNads said:
It has, you just seem unable to accept it.DemDereNads said:
DemDereNads
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jarrod said:Which is why in my response I brought the discussion back on topic.
Actually your first response to me was you saying the vast majority of 3rd party PSP sales were EA/GTA, which does not apply to Japan.
You only backpedaled back on topic when the "time was right."
Weak excuse. Launch games can still sell after the launch period, especially when the launch had as many good games as the PSP.
Also, has been much in the way of "big" games last few months. Even still, games like MHX still managed 85k in a few months.
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