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Staff NeoGAF Ban Review/Justice Project

ShinNL

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I can personally confirm that it’s everywhere in that culture. I’m not too particular about where I get my free speech from when there’s barely any left, especially before I found new Gaf, even if I have to occasionally rub shoulders with people that disgust me.

Honk Honk, Honkler, and Clown World are huge with that crowd.

As your frustrations go, I completely agree. As I said, I don’t want to downplay anything. I would just hold off on pressing the fire alarm, because the image EL passes on, is that this is quite business as usual.

This didn’t just happen overnight. It’s been happening, and we’ve been just fine, for long before I was even posting here too. A compromise was made on Clown World, and that seems to have generated no end of controversy, but it was specifically made as an acceptable sacrifice, so those big battles could be tackled.

I don’t want to downplay that either. There needs to be all kinds of perspectives and opinions on this, but Clown being removed from a title is a very small sacrifice for a very big gain (so advertisers and hosts don’t think we’re literally Hitler), imo.

If we get down the road and words are regularly disappearing from Gaf, I’ll hit that alarm button with you.
This story perfectly highlights why crazy people should be stopped before it's too late instead of them running free. They can be in positions in power in the least unsuspected places and if it's up to them, they'll gladly enforce their twisted views unethically through questionable or illegal methods. Protecting the weak is not the same as abusing power while using 'protecting the weak' as the excuse, which in itself is ironic.
 

Gashtronomy

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Do you think it shouldn't be?
I only read the one post where he was banned. If he meant it as black people = chimps then, its hard to argue against it. If it was less literal and just a stupid usage of a turn of phrase then permanent is too harsh.

If he is banned for being a racist, I would edit the post to say something along the lines of "post edited as it makes the community look bad" or something.

It's easy to tag us all as racists because we have more freedom than any other forum on the Internet, we don't need evidence to make us all look complicit in racism. Hopefully that makes sense.
 

EviLore

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I only read the one post where he was banned. If he meant it as black people = chimps then, its hard to argue against it. If it was less literal and just a stupid usage of a turn of phrase then permanent is too harsh.

If he is banned for being a racist, I would edit the post to say something along the lines of "post edited as it makes the community look bad" or something.

It's easy to tag us all as racists because we have more freedom than any other forum on the Internet, we don't need evidence to make us all look complicit in racism. Hopefully that makes sense.
He's banned, further commentary isn't necessary and he didn't speak for everyone on the forum. Also, GAF is definitely not the freest forum on the internet.
 

Gashtronomy

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He's banned, further commentary isn't necessary and he didn't speak for everyone on the forum. Also, GAF is definitely not the freest forum on the internet.
Fair enough. Honestly I think it is the freest forum on the Internet. The other few places that I visit are polarised politically. Where here at Gaf all sorts of nutters, eccentrics and garden variety mental patients mix with normies, political activists, religious peeps, atheists, fatties, fitties....

Apart from socially unacceptable posts calling for people to be killed, almost everything is allowed to be posted here.

I mean look at this for an example. We're discussing how You, the owner, run Your forum. Any other place on the net the owner would have nuked my account. And yet here we are. Smells like freedom to me.

And as always, thanks for the clarification.
 
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Tesseract

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i would say it's the freest, i'm always observing every signal

lot of alts tho, i use mining and text analysis software to track who is what and some users are black hat monsters who don't belong on the surface web

(fuck alts, snort their bone meal)
 
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Miku Miku

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It's not the freest, because hopefully this place will have some standards. That's what the rules in place enforce from what I've seen. When you look at the moderation on gaming side it becomes clear. You're free to talk about what you want, and they're trying to let you do that. But sometimes enforcement needs to be used to make sure the best possible quality content gets created. If you're just posting garbage and dragging down threads, that's not helping anything.

A lot of people focus so much on freedom that they forget that any kind of commitment to quality is inherently exclusionary on some level.
 

M1chl

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Maybe freeest forum for people with brain, because who wants this to become degenerate hellhole like 4chan, etc. But as far as political discourse, I find it a lot of freedom to be have, but that also comes from community itself, nobody ever shut me down for suggesting that socialised helth-care is good idea and to put gun in the hands of average joe is bad idea. So much for right-wing hellhole /reee. Anyway I also like that people from different backgrounds is here, like religion, etc. Makes me kind of think differently, but since I was not brainwashed by parents a then become atheist, but was like that from begining, it's not my personal badge, like on many those filthy converts, so I probably should not be surprised.
 

EviLore

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Let's give a warm welcome back to D Demise , who ate a truly absurd permaban in 2015 for straying from groupthink during the Alison Rapp controversy:


It's also up to you to protect yourself and keep some informations or pictures about you out of the internet. I don't know how old she is but I'm sure she's not a minor and she's responsible for what she posts on the net.

We're speaking of twitter as a tool to harassment but it's also up to you to not provide the tools to get harassed online beyond the typical insults we all get. It's up to you to :

- Avoid those platforms.
- Or if you really need them, to avoid posting your life, pictures, opinion on touchy subjects and pretty much everything personal.

Yes, everything posted on the net can backfire violently but unless you get hacked, you're the person in charge of your personal informations.
 

nush

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Let's give a warm welcome back to D Demise , who ate a truly absurd permaban in 2015 for straying from groupthink during the Alison Rapp controversy:

When being a part time escort was played off as "Moonlighting" :messenger_tears_of_joy:

D Demise welcome back
 

Tesseract

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ain't nothing illegal about gaining insights from both structured and unstructured text data using natural language processing systems

or using shit like -->

internet security is something you should be proud of, share all tools you have

how is it any different from arming yourself with bjj or the like, you never know
 
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MiyazakiHatesKojima

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ain't nothing illegal about gaining insights from both structured and unstructured text data using natural language processing systems

or using shit like -->



internet security is something you should be proud of, share all tools you have

how is it any different from arming yourself with bjj or the like, you never know
Can you tell if someone is LARPing as a different gender?
 

Mista

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BLACK 👏🏿 LIVES 👏🏿 MATTER 👏🏿
All lives matter. But hey, nobody gave a fuck about the muslims getting burned in china, nor gave a fuck about all those slaves in libya, nor gave a single fuck about all those innocent people that are being killed in palestine. Now watch them make me sound like a racist

It only matters when its happening in the US. People decided to be "humane" only in the US case. We're living in a world full of two-faced hypocrite cunts. NOW PREACH HUMANITY AND HUMAN RIGHTS :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
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Jtibh

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All lives matter. But hey, nobody gave a fuck about the muslims getting burned in china, nor gave a fuck about all those slaves in libya, nor gave a single fuck about all those innocent people that are being killed in palestine. Now watch them make me sound like a racist

It only matters when its happening in the US. People decided to be "humane" only in the US case. We're living in a world full of two-faced hypocrite cunts. NOW PREACH HUMANITY AND HUMAN RIGHTS :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy:
You are wrong . It only matters when it happens to liberals lefts.
Conservative blacks asians muslims etc are treated with same hatred as white conservatives.
They are all called traitors sell outs etc.
 
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pennythots

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All lives matter. But hey, nobody gave a fuck about the muslims getting burned in china, nor gave a fuck about all those slaves in libya, nor gave a single fuck about all those innocent people that are being killed in palestine. Now watch them make me sound like a racist

It only matters when its happening in the US. People decided to be "humane" only in the US case. We're living in a world full of two-faced hypocrite cunts. NOW PREACH HUMANITY AND HUMAN RIGHTS :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy:
You might be on to something here... in that people care about things happening around the world but with a hierarchy sorted by proximity.

And hey maybe if Palestines built shelters to defend their people like the Israelis did instead of digging tunnels to funnel suicide bombers into them they might not be losing as many of their people. Israel sucks at global PR but they're better at war and it's hard to knock them for the latter.

Gotta say it's kind of funny GreatYoshi dude was such a long-time poster here and no one gave a fuck when he got permed.
 
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