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NeoGAF General Poetry Thread #4: History

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Main Poetry Topic: History
Personal, local, global, between people, animals, vegetables, minerals... just give us your version of history.

Optional Secondary Objective: Dream Song: After seeing a poet take on John Berryman's dream songs at AWP, I grew fascinated with the form--a fascination I'd like to pass on to you guys. Dream Songs, as Berryman wrote them, are 18-line poems organized into three stanzas of six lines each, and they are sparked by a seemingly everyday emotion or event. Here are some examples. After last time's looser secondary objective, this should be a fun challenge!

Rules version 1.1:

1. Now that we're out of the interim period, we will have a full deadline period for your poem(s).
2. This thread is not merely for winning or losing, but for critiquing and improving your own craft.
3. This poetry thread 'contest' will end on a Friday, and voting will last until Sunday at midnight. You cannot win unless you vote. Although you don't have to submit a piece to vote.
4. The winner must then provide the next challenge theme for the following normal two week period.
5. There are no word count limits, make it as long or as short as you want. Yes, even haikus are fine.
6. Optional secondary aims are not mandatory, you can include them or not.
7. Further addition to rule one and six. You can also try the secondary aim as a secondary piece. Just make sure you label it as such. (This may work as an added incentive to try the secondary aim I guess, as people might vote for either of your pieces).
8. Vote for your favourite poems.
9. Voters should award first, second and third places to their favourite three poems. First place is allocated three points. Second place is allocated two points. And third place is allocated one point.
10. In the event of a tie, the tally will be counted again with first place being allocated three and half points. If it isn't resolved then, it will be up to the OP (most likely the previous winner) to decide.
11. Winner gets a round of applause and will have the records stating it as such.

Deadline: Friday, June 11th, 2010 at 11:59pm, Pacific.
Voting will then begin.
You should get your votes in by: Sunday, June 13th, 2010 at 11:59pm, Pacific.
Credit to Zephyr for the first poetry thread, here.
 
Ack! Let me get on that.

Orrrrr, I'll just post them, because how will I know if a link is good elsewhere? I'm in the US! :lol

John Berryman said:
Dream Song 29

There sat down, once, a thing on Henry’s heart
só heavy, if he had a hundred years
& more, & weeping, sleepless, in all them time
Henry could not make good.
Starts again always in Henry’s ears
the little cough somewhere, an odour, a chime.

And there is another thing he has in mind
like a grave Sienese face a thousand years
would fail to blur the still profiled reproach of. Ghastly,
with open eyes, he attends, blind.
All the bells say: too late. This is not for tears;
thinking.

But never did Henry, as he thought he did,
end anyone and hacks her body up
and hide the pieces, where they may be found.
He knows: he went over everyone, & nobody’s missing.
Often he reckons, in the dawn, them up.
Nobody is ever missing.


Dream Song 14

Life, friends, is boring. We must not say so.
After all, the sky flashes, the great sea yearns,
we ourselves flash and yearn,
and moreover my mother told me as a boy
(repeatingly) ‘Ever to confess you’re bored
means you have no

Inner Resources.’ I conclude now I have no
inner resources, because I am heavy bored.
Peoples bore me,
literature bores me, especially great literature,
Henry bores me, with his plights & gripes
as bad as achilles,

who loves people and valiant art, which bores me.
And the tranquil hills, & gin, look like a drag
and somehow a dog
has taken itself & its tail considerably away
into mountains or sea or sky, leaving
behind: me, wag.
 
This is why I need my bitches to come behind me and check things. >.> You'd think I'd remember my Memphis trip is two weeks away.
 

Alfarif

This picture? uhh I can explain really!
Welp, this second objective will show how much I suck at poetry. I'm going to give it a try anyway, just for the humiliation that is sure to follow. :lol

Oh, and does it make me a dork that I sent to the site and immediately grabbed this for my phone?

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Irish

Member
Congratulations, hey-monkey!

(I tricked myself into thinking I had finally won something before I went to bed this morning. I forgot it went by poem and not poet. :p)

While this next thing may seem related to that last part, I can assure you that it is not. I was just browsing through the rules when it caught my eye. This deals with the Writing Challenges as well.

In the event of a tie, why do we make the first-place votes be the tiebreaker? Wouldn't it make sense to use total votes? Three first-places are equivalent to 9 third-places, after all.

(DOWN WITH THE CHAMP! DOWN WITH THE CHAMP! :D )
 

Ashes

Banned
Are you asking why we put a higher intrinsic value on 1st place? We changed the rules after discussion in the second poetry thread. I agree that you were the overall best author last week, as per the voting suggests, but iirc I think people were against the idea to promote the best overall author; they wanted to award the best poem.
When I do (if I do) the records sometime in the future, I'll make sure to put in a little note on the side, saying who got the most votes overall. Is that fair enough, do you reckon?:D
 

Irish

Member
That first part was just me fooling myself early in the morning when I was reading through comments in the thread, it wasn't really something I wanted to tie into my next point. The second thing just caught my eye as seemingly weird

I'm just talking about Ties in general in the challenges. Say there are two stories at the top with 11 'points' a piece. As is it now, the story that may have had three first-place votes and a second-place vote would beat out the story with six third-place votes, one first-place vote, and a second-place vote. Having first-place votes as the deciding factor when only 4 people voted for that particular story against the 8 for the other story.

(Seriously, it has nothing to do with not winning. :p)
 

Ashes

Banned
I should have put a smilie in the post. :D
More on topic, I've had enough talk about a hung parliment over the last few months to last me a life time. And propotional representation and what have you. Maybe you are right, we may need electorate reform. What do you suggest?
 

Cyan

Banned
Ah, the classic election problem. How do we best determine the will of the people?

IIRC, the reasoning behind it was pretty simple. The writing challenge started off as more or less a copy of the photo contests. Two places for voting, 1st being worth 3 points, 2nd being worth 1. We quickly found that there were enough good stories that people wanted to be able to vote for three. This then devalued the 1st place vote, so we wound up adopting that as the tiebreaker.
 
I think the system seems fine and since all the challenges are alike, unless a truly better solution happened along, I don't see any reason to make one differ.
 

Alfarif

This picture? uhh I can explain really!
Account suicide if ever I've seen it. :lol Mods, can you please just remove the posts and not lock the thread itself?
 

xelios

Universal Access can be found under System Preferences
InfiniteNine said:
Any explanation on his vendetta with Dragona? :p Didn't see anything about that.

I think he just hates GAF as a whole because they "ruined his life" (they really didn't; was his own stupidity. Read the thread). He must've really lost a lot to still be so upset about it. Dragona is an easy target because she's so well known around here, but the people in his post seem pretty random to me.
 

Alfarif

This picture? uhh I can explain really!
AnkitT said:
Is it creepy if I recognize almost all of them?

No. I do recognize all of them, and I know where most of the GIFs were created.

hey_monkey said:
:lol :lol

Well, he's banned, but that shit is still in here.

Yeah... so looks like I won't be looking in on the thread from work until those posts are removed or edited.

InfiniteNine said:
Some cookie cutter ass mother fuckers.
No idea.

LOL. Wow. Crossing the god damn streams with that reference.

Fake edit: Looks like all of the naked/porn related ones have their daily bandwith exceeded. Niiiiice.
 
We can at least fill up the first page, so everyone not on many posts per page can at least just skip to page 2?

I hate to see someone shitting up the writing threads. :/
 

Alfarif

This picture? uhh I can explain really!
It was so random. :lol As someone said, at least it was on-topic. Would have truly been a travesty if it wasn't.
 

InfiniteNine

Rolling Girl
Alfarif said:
It was so random. :lol As someone said, at least it was on-topic. Would have truly been a travesty if it wasn't.
Well post deleted, hopefully the continued one gets deleted as well. Poetry ahoy!
 
Wooo, thanks to everyone who tried to help fill the page and all.

Tim, you're not missing out, for real. It was a little crazy, but you also can't unsee. >.>
 

Timedog

good credit (by proxy)
whoa I didn't realize that the last contest is over. Should I put my belated votes in this thread?
 

Alfarif

This picture? uhh I can explain really!
All right, this might be a dumb question, but what are the rules about posting a non-qualified poem and then a qualified poem? What I mean, is that I have an idea for what I'd like to do for the primary topic, but it's almost like the second act of a movie. The only reason to submit what constitutes the first act is so that the context of my submission makes sense. Or should I just forget all of that fuss, submit the first and second act for critique only, and work on something else? I'm so damn complicated.
 

Ashes

Banned
Alfarif said:
All right, this might be a dumb question, but what are the rules about posting a non-qualified poem and then a qualified poem? What I mean, is that I have an idea for what I'd like to do for the primary topic, but it's almost like the second act of a movie. The only reason to submit what constitutes the first act is so that the context of my submission makes sense. Or should I just forget all of that fuss, submit the first and second act for critique only, and work on something else? I'm so damn complicated.

Nothing in the rules, that says you can't provide context. I wouldn't make it a two thousand word story or anything though. People are expecting poetry. (I did once write an eighteen hundred word poem but that was a long time ago and for a class assignment thing)
 
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