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NeoGAF's Essential RPGs 2016 Edition - Voting open until January 15th-
- Thread starter KuwabaraTheMan
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VeteranGamer
Banned
Well Witcher 2 and Witcher 3 if you haven't played those yet? Personally I don't think you can get any better than that. Witcher 3 also has two insanely good expansions with great value. Even if Witcher 2 doesn't click with you, Witcher 3 is huge improvement on many fronts. Personally I love the first one too, but I have a feeling you might dislike the combat in that.
Edit: For some reason I was only thinking sword and sorcery type of RPG:s. Deus Ex: Human Revolution and Mankind Divided are also great if you might like Cyberpunk. Also Fallout: New Vegas would be recommended.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Err..... what kind of 3rd person combat do you like then?wasnt a fan of that game
Find a way to play Nier. Get ready for Nier Automata.
decoyplatypus
Member
I was going to say I could stand to wait a few years before voting again, but there is something tempting about taking the board's temperature in mid-to-late 2017, after the release of (a) Numenera, the last of the big second-gen kickstarter CRPGs and the sequel to a fixture of GAF's top ten; (b) Divinity: Original Sin 2, super-ambitious sequel to one of the crown jewels of the CRPG renaissance; (c) Persona 5, the long-awaited sequel to what has been the most vibrant jRPG series this past decade. Plus I'm sure there is some representative of the modern AAA wRPG strand that I am forgetting.
I suspect Chrono Trigger will be in real danger from two different titles. I may make it a New Year's resolution that I will not speak ill of those games (well, one of them in particular).
I suspect Chrono Trigger will be in real danger from two different titles. I may make it a New Year's resolution that I will not speak ill of those games (well, one of them in particular).
VeteranGamer
Banned
Ya, I am heavily leaning towards drifting to an every few years cycle. I have been waiting forever to do a thread with P5 to shake things up, which is why I want to do one next year. After that, there might not be another need for a follow-up until the 10th anniversary of the first thread in early 2020.
With that said, I am almost certainly making a long distance move this coming summer (from Ontario, to Alberta due to my wife's job). As such, late summer/early fall is probably going to be more realistic a timeframe for the 2017 thread. That will give everyone more time to beat RPGs from the first half of the year, but still avoid the glut of games and voting threads that happen in fourth quarter.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
If you want to take a long break afterwrads with the voting, it would probably be best to do the vote in 2018 rather than 2017, if you suspect Person 5 will be a very strong contender. The reason bein that some people are very unstable with their opinion and need some time to reflect on a game in order to position it in a way that they are content with their choice over a longer period of time. So, if the voting is right after Persona 5, then we'd end up with a long-standing result that may be skewed by the recent release of one game.
Benzychenz
Member
You don't like Dark Souls or Dragon's Dogma?wasnt a fan of that game
You're beyond help tbh.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Haha, no lies detected.
Their last ray of hope is Ys. If they hate Ys Origin/Felghana, then, well, I don't want to live on the same planet.
I have a vision of starting a different thread for when we aren't voting on a top list.
I'd love a "Fantastic RPG's and Why to Play Them" thread that collects little editorials (probably a bit more detailed than what's done in the top 10 here) and pitches the game with screenshots/concept art to someone who may not have played it. OP has a compilation of the editorials for easy navigation, probably broken down into categories: Retro/CRPG/JRPG/WRPG/etc
This way, we still have a yearly(ish) discussion of great RPG's to play without ranking them best to very best!
Spieler Eins
Member
High profile RPGs don't stop coming out after Persona 5.
I'm not sure that the timing of the vote needs to be manipulated around Persona 5's release date, dozens of RPGs come out each year. Setting it so that one particular game has the best chance for people to play it and talk about it at a 'peak' time feels a bit like rigging it to me. Couldn't we then also say it should be three months after the western release of DQXI, Ys VIII, Etrian Odyssey V, Mass Effect Andromeda or several other highly anticipated titles? I say that as someone who loved P4G.
I'm currently thinking more along the lines of 5 months post Persona 5. So some of the loudest hype will already be settling by then. There's no escaping the recency effect altogether though.
As for your listed titles, Ys VIII and EO5 were never going to matter much, regardless of when it came out. The series best for Etrian Odyssey was 75th on the 2015 list for EO4. It wasn't even a top 100 title last year. I don't think Ys even comes close to charting. Mass Effect is likely a March game, so it's getting the exact same "benefit" as Persona 5, as are all first half 2017 releases.
decoyplatypus
Member
I looked back through the lists to see if there were any patterns of decay in support for recent titles, and the first thing that jumped out at me is Mass Effect 2 starting at 13, then falling to 24, 41, and 45 before suddenly bouncing back into the top 20. I imagine this is a result of turnover in the voting population (or was there a rule change at some point?).
If I were betting on a bounceback candidate for next year, I'd take a close look at Skyrim, which opened at 4 but fell out of the top 50 last year, despite remaining popular on this board and getting a release on multiple major consoles. It profiles pretty similarly to ME2. Plus I think it has a remaster coming out? Or did that already happen?
If I were betting on a bounceback candidate for next year, I'd take a close look at Skyrim, which opened at 4 but fell out of the top 50 last year, despite remaining popular on this board and getting a release on multiple major consoles. It profiles pretty similarly to ME2. Plus I think it has a remaster coming out? Or did that already happen?
Honored to see some quotes from my writeup's made it to the final list. Guess I just have good taste in RPGs =)
Quoting the whole list because it's awesome that you put this together.
This is an awesome list and an amazing retrospective on games that have clearly stood the test of time. For them to be mentioned year in and year out over all these years is pretty fantastic. Looking at the stuff near the top of the list, the top 10 are all games that have been lauded by many people as #1 games every year. Very cool to see the results of this amalgmation.
Quoting the whole list because it's awesome that you put this together.
This is an awesome list and an amazing retrospective on games that have clearly stood the test of time. For them to be mentioned year in and year out over all these years is pretty fantastic. Looking at the stuff near the top of the list, the top 10 are all games that have been lauded by many people as #1 games every year. Very cool to see the results of this amalgmation.
Voting turnover makes a big difference. This particular version of the essential RPG thread was also down pretty significantly in terms of participation. I typically got around 200 lists posted, but I think this time was closer to 100. One of the aims of next year's thread will be to bump that participation back up again. I have some ideas on how to do that. Simplifying the ballot will probably come into play.
Sumio Mondo
Member
Essential RPG Writing: No Matsuno to be found anywhere on the list. Noooooooo.jpg
Returning to this discussion now that another 4 months have passed and I know my schedule a bit better, what are RPG-GAF's preferences for the 2017 thread? Voting starting in May and going into June, or voting starting in August and going into September?
Late June through early August are too busy for me to commit to a work intensive thread. I don't want to leave it much longer than late summer because we have a glut of voting threads in November to January.
Late June through early August are too busy for me to commit to a work intensive thread. I don't want to leave it much longer than late summer because we have a glut of voting threads in November to January.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
I'd personally go for August to September, since that seems like it should be a pretty quiet period for RPGs. The May to June period will probably see Trails in the Sky the 3rd launching, along with Fire Emblem Echoes, and with Persona 5 having just launched a lot of people won't have had time to play through a full 100 hour game (and to have some time afterwards to gain some perspective on it). Later summer seems like a probable slow period for RPGs (and games in general), which would probably be better for a voting perspective.
I'd prefer August-September, this year is insane as far as games go, the later we do it the better, I think.
Xseed still haven't said it's delayed, and they are showing it this Friday) meaning spring is a release window, I hope we are getting it in April still, but it could be May.
Having just finished NieR Automata and now getting stuck into P5 I'm excited for this. I've played a few RPGs in the time since this list so I'm interested in contributing and seeing the results.
I may need to actually get around to playing Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy VII and Earthbound, however... They're basically the 'big three' I've never got around to finishing.
I may need to actually get around to playing Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy VII and Earthbound, however... They're basically the 'big three' I've never got around to finishing.