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[JoJoSono]

How mad people gonna be when ps4 and xb1 slims come out?

I'm sure they'll be too busy playing the same PS4/xbone games that will play and run exactly the same on thier old systems.

 

[Pellegri Testament]

The console has no slot for any console expansions. The only way they can improve console specs is to upgrade with a revision.

Many games (hyrule warriors) have poor performance probably because they were designed for new better hardware.

Which has never been done with a home console and Nintendo sure as hell won't be the first ones to throw the money away just to attempt to get people to buy a slightly better console, not when WiiU is already draining them as much as it is.

What are these "many" games exactly? Because Hyrule Warriors is known to have quite a few performance problems because it didn't go through enough testing to fix them all(which many of these will have patches to fix them) and it's a Musou game which says quite a bit about why it performs how it does. It has nothing to do with hardware as to why certain games on the system perform how they do, it's all because devs either didn't test it enough and rushed it(see HW) or they just didn't give a shit because they knew their games would barely sell on the system and just wanted to throw something on there as a show of good faith(see anything made by EA/Ubisoft that got ported over).

Sony has been always great about their slim models, so I honestly doubt it.

Which "slim" models are we talking about though? Slim home consoles or slim handhelds? Because if it's home consoles then it's because Sony isn't even stupid enough to waste money trying to pull people in with a slightly upgraded system when they could just come out with a completely new one. If it's handhelds however I can guarantee you it's because they saw no reason for it because at the time when an upgrade would have been relevant, they were already losing quite a few sales on both their handhelds.

Vita has done worse than WiiU even and yet there's people who think they should throw money at it to upgrade it so people can play higher end games on it? No it's doing terrible because Sony and most of it's fanbase have given up on it and there's no reason for an upgrade, 3ds on the other hand just continues the Nintendo handheld trend where it just keeps selling even when a lot of games aren't coming out for it, so of course Nintendo sees a reason to release an upgraded version of it that has better specs.

 

[Yokai]

will they have exclusive games?

Sony has been always great about their slim models, so I honestly doubt it.

 

[Technosteve]

Are people being deliberately obtuse? Do you understand the difference between these:

• Major hardware revisions at long, predictable intervals of 5-6 years which dramatically improve on what came before.
• Predictable yearly revisions, but with no actual exclusives on the new hardware.

and this:

• A minor hardware revision mid-generation which only changes a few of the hardware specs, and then most future games of that generation are exclusive to the new hardware.

I don't really have a problem with what Nintendo has done, but I don't get why people are claiming that the third bullet point above is exactly the same as the first two bullet points. It certainly is not.

It almost like They want to believe that this wasn't a gigantic fuck up on nintendo's part

 

[Oersted]

Are people being deliberately obtuse? Do you understand the difference between these:

• Major hardware revisions at long, predictable intervals of 5-6 years which dramatically improve on what came before.
• Predictable yearly revisions, but with no actual exclusives on the new hardware.

and this:

• A minor hardware revision mid-generation which only changes a few of the hardware specs, and then most future games of that generation are exclusive to the new hardware.

I don't really have a problem with what Nintendo has done, but I don't get why people are claiming that the third bullet point above is exactly the same as the first two bullet points. It certainly is not.

Mid-generation? The new 3DS will be out when 3DS is 4 years old.

 

[GeneralManager]

Sony has been always great about their slim models, so I honestly doubt it.

So to clarify here Sony had never released a revision with a hardware upgrade that led to incompatible games before so you doubt they'll do so now. But even though Nintendo's never done it, "the WiiU most certainly will recieve a hardware upgrade.

Reasonable.

 

[Deleted member 284]

Many games (hyrule warriors) have poor performance probably because they were designed for new better hardware.

That is some mighty fine Rectumese.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

So to clarify here Sony had never released a revision with a hardware upgrade that led to incompatible games before so you doubt they'll do so now. But even though Nintendo's never done it, "the WiiU most certainly will recieve a hardware upgrade.

Reasonable.

But they just did it...

 

[KingSnake]

Many games (hyrule warriors) have poor performance probably because they were designed for new better hardware.

Receipts. This has gone past insane level already.

Edit: and I'm still waiting on those new specifications and price for the Wii U.

 

[Myggen]

No reason to think Nintendo will do anything like this with their console, they never have.

The console has no slot for any console expansions. The only way they can improve console specs is to upgrade with a revision.

Many games (hyrule warriors) have poor performance probably because they were designed for new better hardware.

Lastly, all previous handheld upgrades were done after a solid 5 years. The 3ds has barely aged.

What? This is gonna escalate quickly I see!

 

[braves01]

will they have exclusive games?

I'm sure they'll be too busy playing the same PS4/xbone games that will play and run exactly the same on thier old systems.

I maintain that some people will be mad and feel tricked, and there might be marginally better performance playing on the slims as well. You're right though, there probably won't be an exclusive port to be mad about.

 

[scitek]

It sure makes me cautious about buying Nintendo systems. I feel like with Nintendo systems you really have to wait until everything is said and done or else you'll be screwed. I got tricked into buying a 3ds xl and now I regret it.

Lol, the fuck is this? Sell the goddamn thing and upgrade. No one "tricked" you into anything. You bought it and got to enjoy it then and there, people that didn't buy a 3DS before now have had to miss out on it.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Consoles =/= handhelds

Nintendo operates both devices differently, with different practices and expectations. They've done the incremental upgrade thing since the Game Boy. They've just about never done anything like this on consoles beyond the N64 Expansion Pack, which you could buy separately or bundled with necessary games.

 

[GeneralManager]

But they just did it...

They did on handhelds. Never with home consoles. Not that I agree with the DSi or "new 3DS"; I think it's stupid.

 

[Oersted]

Consoles =/= handhelds

Nintendo operates both devices differently, with different practices and expectations. They've done the incremental upgrade thing since the Game Boy. They've just about never done anything like this on consoles beyond the N64 Expansion Pack, which you could buy separately or bundled with necessary games.

Yep. Handhelds got updated trough Hardware updates, home consoles trough accessoires (Wii Mote Plus, N64 expansion and so on). Has been always that way.

 

[sörine]

Nintendo consoles tend to get upgrades that simply interface with the base unit. Things like the FDS, SFC BSX, N64 RAM cart, 64DD, Wii Motion Plus, etc. They don't do iterative hardware upgrades like they do with their handhelds and the only time they did really they re-branded it into an entirely new and separate platform (GCN to Wii).

You don't have to worry about a "New Wii U". At most we might see a Gamepad revision that you can still use with your current unit.

 

[Yokai]

Lol, the fuck is this? Sell the goddamn thing and upgrade. No one "tricked" you into anything. You bought it and got to enjoy it then and there, people that didn't buy a 3DS before now have had to miss out on it.

You can't sell out of date garbage.

For a reasonable price, that is.

 

[Percy]

Yeah, this is a shitty situation. Nintendo are honestly the last ones I'd have pegged to pull the rug out from under existing consumers like this, which is exactly what they're doing by basically restricting existing 3DS console owner's choices wrt games going forward now that they've confirmed there will be more "new 3DS" only games going forward.

 

[KingSnake]

Yeah, this is a shitty situation. Nintendo are honestly the last ones I'd have pegged to pull the rug out from under existing consumers like this, which is exactly what they're doing by basically restricting existing 3DS console owner's choices wrt games going forward now that they've confirmed there will be more "new 3DS" only games going forward.

Games that wouldn't have existed anyhow on the "old" 3ds because of the CPU limitation. They are restricting shit, really. They are prolonging 3ds series life and thus ensuring more support also for the old 3ds, as the biggest install base is there and the most of the games won't be skipping that.

 

[Chû Totoro]

People having all sort of excuses for not buying a Wii U I guess.

Nintendo never make this for home consoles or the only case I can remember is Expansion Pack on N64 and it was an accessory not a new system.

I don't understand people here, seriously. You don't want the damn product, just don't buy it. You want it, buy it ffs (or just wait forever for the better product that will certainly come in the future since it's the way things are working).

OP, did you ever bought an electronic piece of hardware? It's the same thing, your last week purchase is already sold for less and next week they'll announce a better product.

 

[lenovox1]

Yeah, this is a shitty situation. Nintendo are honestly the last ones I'd have pegged to pull the rug out from under existing consumers like this, which is exactly what they're doing by basically restricting existing 3DS console owner's choices wrt games going forward now that they've confirmed there will be more "new 3DS" only games going forward.

But the Game Boy Color happened over a decade ago.

I get it now. Most of the outrage is coming from really, really young or really, really new Nintendo customers. But, LuchaShaq, you've been on these boards too long to be acting brand new like this.

 

[SatoAilDarko]

Nintendo's home console market is too small now to warrant an upgraded console. You need all the market for a chance of decent sells. You also don't have old software that you can use to make cheap exclusive games for the new console.

Also I'm sure Nintendo wants to get away from the Wii U names so they'll wait for an actual new console.

The upgraded 3DS makes sense as you can now port more Wii games and allow for SNES and GBA emulation.

 

[JoJoSono]

Lol, the fuck is this? Sell the goddamn thing and upgrade. No one "tricked" you into anything. You bought it and got to enjoy it then and there, people that didn't buy a 3DS before now have had to miss out on it.

So I have to sell something I already spent a nice amount of money on and then probably spend more money? Don't recall having to do that for any of my PlayStation systems. When Persona 5 comes out, I won't have to sell my old phat PS3. Which is cool because when I bought the PS3 I bought it under the pretense that I would be able to play all PS3 games. Which has held true.

I bought the 3ds under the same pretense, especially after Nintendo said with the XL that that the reason they didn't add an another stick to the XL was because they didn't want to split the userbase. I guess that amounted to nothing.

You bought it and got to enjoy it then and there, people that didn't buy a 3DS before now have had to miss out on it.

Yes and if they buy a New 3ds they'll be able to enjoy it now and in the future. Can't say the same about those who bought an original 3ds or XL. They got to enjoy it then, but in the future they'll be closed off to certain things.

 

[Instro]

Are people being deliberately obtuse? Do you understand the difference between these:

• Major hardware revisions at long, predictable intervals of 5-6 years which dramatically improve on what came before.
• Predictable yearly revisions, but with no actual exclusives on the new hardware.

and this:

• A minor hardware revision mid-generation which only changes a few of the hardware specs, and then most future games of that generation are exclusive to the new hardware.

I don't really have a problem with what Nintendo has done, but I don't get why people are claiming that the third bullet point above is exactly the same as the first two bullet points. It certainly is not.

Most?

 

[DeuceGamer]

Wouldn't you buy a Wii U/3DS for the games that are released and the games that are announced for the system? Maybe it's the way I'm looking at it but couldn't the same be said for waiting on the Wii U successor? If your interested in a Wii U I would think it would be due to the games out on the system and the games announced on the system.

 

[Chû Totoro]

So I have to sell something I already spent a nice amount of money on and then probably spend more money? Don't recall having to do that for any of my PlayStation systems. When Persona 5 comes out, I won't have to sell my old phat PS3. Which is cool because when I bought the PS3 I bought it under the pretense that I would be able to play all PS3 games. Which has held true.

I bought the 3ds under the same pretense, especially after Nintendo said with the XL that that the reason they didn't add an another stick to the XL was because they didn't want to split the userbase. I guess that amounted to nothing.

Yes and if they buy a New 3ds they'll be able to enjoy it now and in the future. Can't say the same about those who bought an original 3ds or XL. They got to enjoy it then, but in the future they'll be closed off to certain things.

Ah yeah I hope you also enjoy the PS4 backward comp... wait. Or maybe the PS Vita backward comp... wait this is no too. Oh, sorry.

 

[Anth0ny]

They've never done something like this with their consoles. Closest they've come is the N64 expansion pak or something like Wii Motion +.

Meanwhile, with their handhelds, we've got GBC, DSi and new New 3DS.

 

[Pie and Beans]

Lets have some fun with the "this only happens to Nintendos portables" crowd with a little modification:

The userbase splittling upgrade path of exclusive 'new device only' software is exclusive to Nintendo devices that ship with a built in screen.

 

[JoJoSono]

Ah yeah I hope you also enjoy the PS4 backward comp... wait. Or maybe the PS Vita backward comp... wait this is no too. Oh, sorry.

?????

Those are completely new systems. The New 3ds is'nt a new system. It's a new 3ds.

If you want your comparison to make sense, use the Slim PS3 or PSP 3000. Which guess what? Didn't have exclusive games I couldn't play on a PHAT PS3 or PSP 1000.

 

[Principate]

?????

Those are completely new systems. The New 3ds is'nt a new system. It's a new 3ds.

TBF the PS3 slims dropped PS2 hardware backwards compatibility.

Not that I care for that argument.

 

[ramparter]

It reinforces my original idea to grab a used basic for as cheap as possible.

 

[Varjet]

Lets have some fun with the "this only happens to Nintendos portables" crowd with a little modification:

The userbase splittling upgrade path of exclusive 'new device only' software is exclusive to Nintendo devices that ship with a built in screen.

So they are gonna upgrade the Gamepad?

 

[KingSnake]

Lets have some fun with the "this only happens to Nintendos portables" crowd with a little modification:

The userbase splittling upgrade path of exclusive 'new device only' software is exclusive to Nintendo devices that ship with a built in screen.

I can't wait for the upgraded Gamepad.

Edit: beaten like a Wii U dead horse.

 

[Chû Totoro]

?????

Those are completely new systems. The New 3ds isn't a new system. It's a new 3ds.

If you want your comparison to make sense, use the Slim PS3 or PSP 3000. Which guess what? Didn't have exclusive games I couldn't play on a PHAT PS3 or PSP 1000.

It's a new system or maybe you didn't get the "new" in it. They keep the 3DS name like they kept the Game Boy name for years but guess what original GB can't play GB SP's games.

You know what... don't bother. You're right. Here take a biscuit and a smile

 

[JoJoSono]

It's a new system or maybe you didn't get the "new" in it. They keep the 3DS name like they kept the Game Boy name for years but guess what original GB can't play GB SP's games.

So you're telling me that the New 3DS is just like the Game Boy Advance? That the New 3DS is not actually a revision on the 3DS but actually a completely new next generation system just like the GBA was to the GB/GC? This completely new next gen/successor that was just announced in a random direct and it's star game being a Wii port that dosen't exactly sell the system as being uber powerful. That was said to be just the 3ds with a better cpu.

You're telling me it's a new system just like the PS4 is a new system compared to the PS3.

That's what you're telling me right?

You know what... don't bother. You're right. Here take a biscuit and a smile

You should actually know the difference between revision and a whole new system fore you attempt to post like that.

I'm sorry that the word new confused you. This is'nt a new system. It's a new version of the 3ds.

They keep the 3DS name like they kept the Game Boy name for years but guess what original GB can't play GB SP's games.

Yes because the Game Boy Advance was actually a different system. The NEw 3DS is'nt. It's a 3ds with added functionality.

They've kept the Playstation name too. What's you're point? It's pretty bad when even gaffers aren't clear what this system is.

 

[CosmicQueso]

Never buy anything!!!

There's always something better coming in the future.

Don't risk it. Postpone enjoying things, because you'll enjoy them more later. Except that when it's later, better stuff will still be coming in the future.

Good thing we'll all live forever.

 

[scitek]

So I have to sell something I already spent a nice amount of money on and then probably spend more money? Don't recall having to do that for any of my PlayStation systems. When Persona 5 comes out, I won't have to sell my old phat PS3. Which is cool because when I bought the PS3 I bought it under the pretense that I would be able to play all PS3 games. Which has held true.

If you want to play Xenoblade, yep. Sorry you feel betrayed.

Yes and if they buy a New 3ds they'll be able to enjoy it now and in the future. Can't say the same about those who bought an original 3ds or XL. They got to enjoy it then, but in the future they'll be closed off to certain things.

Wait, how do you know Nintendo won't do this again? There's always a risk of not being able to play the latest games on the newest revision of hardware. Thank cell phone consumers for that.

 

[iMerc]

Never buy anything!!!

There's always something better coming in the future.

Don't risk it. Postpone enjoying things, because you'll enjoy them more later. Except that when it's later, better stuff will still be coming in the future.

Good thing we'll all live forever.

pretty much.

it's absurd the overreactions people are having over a minor hardware upgrade with a few titles planned to be released for it.
again & again.

dsi didn't split the user base. noone felt 'left out' (aaawwww) because of it.
noone will feel left out because of this new 3ds either.
only negative nancies would find a need to cry over this, because there's nothing to complain about, unless you're a professional complainer.

gen 'y' at their best.

 

[arab]

dear god please let Nintendo be dumb enough to come out with a console named "new wii u"

 

[jimi_dini]

dear god please let Nintendo be dumb enough to come out with a console named "new wii u"

haha

well actually "New Wii" would have been a better name than "Wii U". Think about that for a second

 

[Thoraxes]

It's [the Wii U] really no different than when Sony or Microsoft announce 'Slim' versions of their home consoles.

New iterations are going to happen. It's part of being a consumer in tech-based industry.

 

[KingSnake]

haha

well actually "New Wii" would have been a better name than "Wii U". Think about that for a second

I was saying earlier, imagine Nintendo launching Wii U as the New Wii in 2011.

 

[JoJoSono]

If you want to play Xenoblade, yep. Sorry you feel betrayed.

I've already played Xenoblade. I just won't be playing the portable version even though I bought a 3ds to play Nintendo's 3ds games. I guess the lesson here is never buy Nintendo hanhelds.

Wait, how do you know Nintendo won't do this again? There's always a risk of not being able to play the latest games on the newest revision of hardware. Thank cell phone consumers for that.

I don't, but gee thanks for pointing out a good reason to never buy a Nintendo handheld ever again. No point if they are going to pull this. Thank god Sony never did and seemingly never will on thier consoles. No reason to support Nintendo.

 

[Chû Totoro]

So you're telling me that the New 3DS is just like the Game Boy Advance? That the New 3DS is not actually a revision on the 3DS but actually a completely new next generation system just like the GBA was to the GB/GC? This completely new next gen/successor that was just announced in a random direct and it's star game being a Wii port that dosen't exactly sell the system as being uber powerful. That was said to be just the 3ds with a better cpu.

You're telling me it's a new system just like the PS4 is a new system compared to the PS3.

That's what you're telling me right?


You should actually know the difference between revision and a whole new system fore you attempt to post like that.

I'm sorry that the word new confused you. This is'nt a new system. It's a new version of the 3ds.

Yes because the Game Boy Advance was actually a different system. The NEw 3DS is'nt. It's a 3ds with added functionality.

They've kept the Playstation name too. What's you're point? It's pretty bad when even gaffers aren't clear what this system is.

Then just don't buy the damn thing. I don't even why you bought a 3DS in the first place if you're mad because a "revision" will play Xenoblade, a game never announced for 3DS and not even possible to make on the system, then you should never buy anything because there will always be new products that will bring something new. In fact if there was nothing different between 3DS and "new" 3DS what would be the purpose of selling a new hardware?

 

[Kyuur]

Will take 3+ years for any apps to not work on iPhone 5s, and everyone who cares about that stuff knows there's a new iPad/iPhone every year or so.

Unless those apps are specifically designed to take advantage of the latest hardware. Kind of like what they're doing with 3DS.

 

[HUELEN10]

That has never happened, and will most certainly never happen.

It's never been done on their consoles.. only handhelds

I think anything can go at this point; no one knows but Nintendo.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

There won't be a new WiiU. The model works with handhelds because they see revisions all the time. Consoles never see upgraded spec revisions. If they do it though, well, not like we can change anything so we'll just wait and see.

 

[LegendofLex]

If I hadn't I think this new 3ds news would have put the brakes on my purchase. Why would someone spend two or three hundred on a new system when Nintendo just showed they don't mind putting exclusives on incrementally netter hardware.

So what I'm asking is why anyone would buy a wiiu now that a "new" wiiu could come whenever with exclusive games as big as xenoblade aka not to y stuff like the dsi exclusives.

If your biggest source of profitability (handhelds) was sagging tremendously in your biggest market, wouldn't you try to refresh your product line? And wouldn't you want to actually give consumers a reason to buy those new products?

The amusing thing is that Nintendo is just doing what people are asking for: people wanted better 3D viewing, a built-in second stick/ZL/ZR buttons, and (obviously) a bunch of games that take advantage of this stuff. Since Circle Pad Pro is already a massive flop, they might as well chuck in some added CPU power and release a full redesign. People have been more than willing to upgrade their handhelds in the past.

The reason why this won't happen with their console is that there's no significant user experience upgrade they can't achieve just as well with new controllers, accessories, and peripherals - a model that doesn't work as well with handhelds. They're also nowhere near maximizing the potential of their console - meanwhile, their console is miles ahead of their handheld.

 

[oneils]

Splitting the wii u user base would kill it off for good (if it's not already dead). I don't see that happening.

 

[ElectricKaibutsu]

Either I'm a pattern recognizing savant or people just love getting indignant. GBC, DSi... and there are those who act like they were blindsided by this? Show of hands, would anyone seriously have bet against Nintendo releasing a 3DSi? I hope no one raised their hands. Tada, here it is: the most obvious new handheld Nintendo has ever released.

Will I buy one? Of course not! You shouldn't either if you don't want to. Are you worried you'll miss out on exclusive games? Like Xenoblade? A strange exclusive that is able to be played on two of Nintendo's other systems. Xenoblade won't be the norm. Nintendo really would be mental if they stopped releasing games for the 3DS. That would be a great way to not sell any games. The whole point of this is to squeeze some more life out of the 3DS. To extend its lifespan, NOT to kill it off.

Even if worse comes to worse and Nintendo is stupid enough to make all future games New 3DS only, just wait a year and buy the 3DS's successor. This is Nintendo, there will be backwards compatibility.