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New Computer coming in...Vista or XP?

Having both i can say Vista isn't worth it atm. Sure, its cute for a while, but after you get over the visual overhaul the benefits don't overcome the problems it still has. I already removed Vista and installed XP on my laptop, and i'm sure i'll stick to it for at least a year.

Not to mention all the supposed Vista exclusives work on XP with some patches.
 
Chiggs said:
Agreed, but some of the vendors actually have pretty damn good drivers, like ATi, for instance. I had a 7900GS under Vista, and the performance was pretty poor. I switched to an ATI card, and I couldn't believe just how much better the drivers were.

Perhaps Nvidia's Vista situation has improved?
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not yet. hopefully soon.

get vista. you're going to have to eventually anyways. not to mention, with a real top of the line rig, the fps difference will be very minimal.
 
In terms of pure gaming, the only game I've played recently on PC (Tomb Raider Anniversary) worked perfectly well on Vista. The OS seems pretty reliable to me, I wouldn't go back to XP.
 
If you read the link I posted on page 1, then that's reason enough alone to avoid Vista completely until m$ irons out it's issues.
 
I just picked up a new laptop with Vista a couple weeks ago.

Haven't actually run into any problems so far. It seems to work basically the same as XP, although with a slightly different GUI. I'm not really sure what people are whining about.
 
It depends on how much u are willing to experiment/tolerate. You want to have some fun? Go with Vista. You want to be on the safe side? Go with XP. Keep in mind you will need Vista in the future.
 
If you have to pay for XP, just pay for Vista. But if you have a copy of XP, keep it and be happy until you have to upgrade. Vista sucks.
 
epmode said:
If there's a faster way to let everyone know that you're a jackass, I haven't found it.
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Seriously. Can't we just have some automated script to replace "M$" with "I'm not clever", along with a day long ban.

Some of the people praising Vista, and some of the people praising XP seem to be totally one way or the other, but few seem to really understand fully how they both work.

I'm running XP on my Desktop and Vista on my laptop. Vista is the better OS, but most of it's improvements are deep under the hood, and yet to be realized. In the end it will be the better performing, more secure, and more stable OS, but that's going to take a long ass time. Right now it seems to be kind of borked when it comes to gaming.

Like I said before. If you have an XP license already, just use that (that would be free) and buy Vista along with your new hardware. Wait a bit, until you need to play a DX10 game and go for it.
 
Hunahan said:
I just picked up a new laptop with Vista a couple weeks ago.

Haven't actually run into any problems so far. It seems to work basically the same as XP, although with a slightly different GUI. I'm not really sure what people are whining about.
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Do they really need a reason?
 
I have a ee600, and 2gb ram and gts 8800.. and the games ran like crap..

I was really dissapointed with vista, also I had alot of crashes to..

so after installing everything on vista.. I then took everything off to go back to xp.. it was a terrible hassel and I wouldn't reccomend vista for at least 1-2 years.
 
XP if you need gaming in your life. Then again with all the great content coming to consoles why even get the highest end gaming PC? Only one reason I can really think of is Starcraft 2 but that should be playable by most.
 
Woo-Fu said:
Your argument seems to be working under the assumption that Vista will cost more or the same in the future than it does now. I don't really think that is true. It is only a matter of time before it is a $50 upgrade with any hardware purchase.

Instead of having him suffer growing pains, why have him suffer at all? You're paying for Vista either way, why not pay for it when it works better and costs less: the future.
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Well, an OEM copy of Vista included in a PC should cost you less then retail (even an upgrade over XP).


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What is the difference between Vista basic and vista premium? How do you upgrade from basic if you want premium later (say a memory upgrade allows this to become an option later)?
 
PistolGrip said:
XP if you need gaming in your life. Then again with all the great content coming to consoles why even get the highest end gaming PC? Only one reason I can really think of is Starcraft 2 but that should be playable by most.
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Blizzard love catering to the low end, you won't need DX10, Vista and all that jizz to play it.
 
Hunahan said:
I just picked up a new laptop with Vista a couple weeks ago.

Haven't actually run into any problems so far. It seems to work basically the same as XP, although with a slightly different GUI. I'm not really sure what people are whining about.
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i run vista too and EVERYTHING runs worse on it. Crashes all the time and of course the driver suck for vista.

I can't believe M$$$$$ would release a product like this. I do wish they used the GUI for vista for the xbox 360 dashboard. The MC in vista looks a lot better tha XP but it runs horrible and crashes wayyyy too much.
 
Dr. Kitty Muffins said:
What is the difference between Vista basic and vista premium? How do you upgrade from basic if you want premium later (say a memory upgrade allows this to become an option later)?
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Basic is missing the new Aero UI, Media Center, Movie/DVD Maker, some games (Chess Titans, Mahjong Titans, and Inkball), some laptop features (Mobility Center and tablet support) and scheduled backups.

The new Aero UI includes the glass-like menu bars, Flip 3D and Live Thumbnails


You can use Windows Anytime Upgrade to buy an upgrade online and the upgrade files should already be included on the hard drive by the OEM.
 
I'd also like to point out that you can get Halo 2 to run on XP. Not sure about the other Vista only release mentioned here.
 
CaptainABAB said:
Basic is missing the new Aero UI, Media Center, Movie/DVD Maker, some games (Chess Titans, Mahjong Titans, and Inkball), some laptop features (Mobility Center and tablet support) and scheduled backups.

The new Aero UI includes the glass-like menu bars, Flip 3D and Live Thumbnails


You can use Windows Anytime Upgrade to buy an upgrade online and the upgrade files should already be included on the hard drive by the OEM.
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In other words, it is a whole lot of stuff I don't need?????????
 
I'd go vista with a grunty computer. DX10 will enhance Crysis and Alan Wake will be Vista only I believe. There will be some initial issues, but XP was written off by many when it first came out. I found Vista to be quite forgiving, given what a lot of people have written about it's issues.
 
If you're going to be buying a gaming PC lock, stock and barrel, you might as well get it with Vista so you don't have to buy it separately when Vista doesn't suck. Just reformat and install XP as soon as you get it and save the Vista install disc.
 
I built a decent mid-range computer last month and put the 32-bit OEM version of Vista Home Premium on it (thanks Newegg, only $111 bucks).

So far I love it. It is blazing fast on my PC. I don't have any slowdown and not had any problems at all running World of Warcraft, Company of Heroes, or Supreme Commander on it. Those are the only games I've tried with it so far.

My old PC was a P4, 2.8ghz, 1gb ram, geforce 6600gt, windows xp. It would take about 4 minutes to boot my PC from cold boot to a fully loaded desktop.

My new PC is a Core 2 Duo 2.13ghz, 2gb RAM, geforce 8600gts, windows Vista machine and it takes 94 seconds from cold boot to a fully loaded desktop.

I would say that if you are starting over with a brand new system, get Vista, especially if its a core 2 duo or quad core. I've read a lot of hardware message boards and it seems that Vista works best with those processors. Make sure you've got at least 2gb RAM. I've been reading way too many horror stories from people upgrading their older systems to Vista. Do it now while you've got a fresh brand new machine. Don't do it a year from now and upgrade your PC from XP to Vista or you may be asking for a world of problems.

So in short, I wouldn't ever bother upgrading to Vista on an old PC (at least in the next year or two). Put it on a new machine or don't even bother with it.
 
bill0527 said:
My old PC was a P4, 2.8ghz, 1gb ram, geforce 6600gt, windows xp. It would take about 4 minutes to boot my PC from cold boot to a fully loaded desktop.

My new PC is a Core 2 Duo 2.13ghz, 2gb RAM, geforce 8600gts, windows Vista machine and it takes 94 seconds from cold boot to a fully loaded desktop.
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Oh god, that windows xp boot time is horrible, what kinda bloated hell do you have on that PC?

I have an Athlon X2 3800+, 2GB RAM system and my windows xp loads in like 30 seconds.

For the Original Question, XP 100%. Wait till Vienna, cause Vista just isn't worth it.
 
bill0527 said:
My old PC was a P4, 2.8ghz, 1gb ram, geforce 6600gt, windows xp. It would take about 4 minutes to boot my PC from cold boot to a fully loaded desktop.

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Did you use bootvis for XP and how much stuff do you have in startup? My machine takes around 20 seconds to boot up window xp (it's much longer on vista).

For those that need to check go to run and type "msconfig" and click on the startup tab.
 
epmode said:
If there's a faster way to let everyone know that you're a jackass, I haven't found it.
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You're not a true nerd until you spell Microsoft "Micro$oft." That and saying "I installed Ubuntu instead of buying Vista, because Microsoft is an evil corporation."

I had to install Ubuntu...I couldn't help it!
 
Kbsmoker said:
i run vista too and EVERYTHING runs worse on it. Crashes all the time and of course the driver suck for vista.

I can't believe M$$$$$ would release a product like this. I do wish they used the GUI for vista for the xbox 360 dashboard. The MC in vista looks a lot better tha XP but it runs horrible and crashes wayyyy too much.
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Weird. Don't know what to say. Mine hasn't crashed once, and everything runs lightning quick.

Then again, this new machine is quite a step up from my old one hardware-wise, so I'm not sure I'm really capable of determining speed on an equal footing.

I did have to rip like half the pre-installed software out of the new comp to get it to run well, but I assume that's pretty much common knowledge these days. For example, Norton, Windows, a "trial" 3rd party ad-on, and a custom Manufacturer security program were all fighting with each other, but after ripping out the trial, deactivating Windows' junk and uninstalling the manufacturer crap, things have been running fine and quick without problems.

Also, the manufacturer had set up like twenty programs to launch on startup. Not sure if any of this stuff applies to you, or if you got a new computer with Vista, but taking a look into those kinds of issues (which I ascribe a responsibility to other than Vista itself) might help your situation considerably.
 
I worked on both Vista and XP and I can tell you Vista is the better OS. Many of enhancements are not quite obvious. I personally love the fact that it stops stealth installation of the crapware or registry changes.

My PC is 3 1/2 years old. Vista runs just fine. I have an ATI Radeon 9800xt and surprisingly it runs Halo 1 better than my XP installation. But this could be an exception.

Right now there are some application compatibility and driver coverage issues but they wil be ironed out as time goes on.
 
monkspider said:
Use Vista, it's a great OS.
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I agree...dont listen to all the vista hate.. half of these guys dont know what they are talking about. Vista is good if you know what your doing or have a decent knowledge of os's.... sad part is you gotta know what your doing to make vista run games better then xp but it can be done and in the near future..it'll be better with games then xp with a sp pak

Half these fools saying vista sucks,etc dont know much about what they are doing..and if your fall into that catagory..then you might feel the same way but vista is a far better os then xp .. its just still maturing and right now is a decent time to jump in with vista really..most driver support is decent now and sp1 pak will be out soon.

Vista is just a much more robust OS then xp.. does things the average person has no clue about but after disecting it over a period of time..i can clearly see its far better then xp.
 
I would say that if you have a stand alone copy of XP, get Vista. Except, as soon as you get your PC, wipe it and put XP on it until Vista gets a couple service packs out of the way.

Gears will run on XP, and as far as Vista exclusives go: Halo 2 is a crappy port and Shadowrun isn't worth $50.
 
By the time Crysis is out, I'd say Microsoft will have released a Vista "Service Pack #1" to address criticisms and nasty bugs.

You need to embrace the future. If you buy XP now, a year or so from now it'll be outdated as XP is already beginning its long, long farewell letter to the PC world.

Of course, you could just get an XP PC and when Vista is all "cleaned up," install the Vista OS over XP and....
 
I'd go Vista, I have two machines and both run Vista. And yes, I also play games on both, and never run into problems (performance or otherwise). It's not that it's any better for gaming, outside of DX10, but it's so much better in general use. Everything feels much faster, the interface is much improved, advanced features are easier to use, it's at the very least as stable as XP etc. etc.
 
If you already own your own copy of xp then use that for now and buy vista later on when it works better. If you dont own xp then go right to vista.



I have both but went back to xp. Main reason is that the refresh rate problems microsoft had with xp at launch are back in vista. That means if you use a crt like me you cant go above 100hz and games drop down to 60hz. :|


Vista has all sorts of annoying things that make it worse than xp unless you spend hours customizing it to work like xp. Even still there's things to hate like not being able to uninstall worthless shit like media center, calender, contacts, etc... and that pop up telling you how long it takes to copy or move a file even if it's a notepad file. WTF!

If they fix the refresh thing by the time crysis hits then i'll reinstall it. I plan to go 4GB with the 32bit version of windows to get around the extra 500MB it seems to need over xp. Yeah i know only about 3GBs will be used unless i go 64bit but that version has even more problems i dont want to deal with yet.
 
Get Vista. If you really need an XP environment for some programs/game then use VirtualBox to install XP in a virtual environment on Vista
 
Mr.Potato Head said:
I agree...dont listen to all the vista hate.. half of these guys dont know what they are talking about. Vista is good if you know what your doing or have a decent knowledge of os's.... sad part is you gotta know what your doing to make vista run games better then xp but it can be done and in the near future..it'll be better with games then xp with a sp pak

Half these fools saying vista sucks,etc dont know much about what they are doing..and if your fall into that catagory..then you might feel the same way but vista is a far better os then xp .. its just still maturing and right now is a decent time to jump in with vista really..most driver support is decent now and sp1 pak will be out soon.

Vista is just a much more robust OS then xp.. does things the average person has no clue about but after disecting it over a period of time..i can clearly see its far better then xp.
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And I would disagree completely. It's my opinion the more oblivious you are, the more you'll love Vista. I completely agree with John C Dvorak on this: Mac user love Vista and Windows users hate it. That's a simplification, but as a power user, the issues I've got with Vista are things most people will never notice. If I were paying for an OS today (and didn't have a copy of XP), I'd go Vista cause it's the future. But to say to say it's without issues is painting yourself as the one who's a lightweight.
 
I would go for Vista.

There will be more and more games supporting the unique features of Vista. And overall I kind of like the feel. But it takes some getting used to.

For games? With DX9 games you can expect some drop off, but if you get a high end card will you really notice the 10 fps @ 80 fps? And newer games will utilize DX10 better.

Just to be future proof I would go for Vista...
 
roxya said:
Vista is slower right now because of NVidia and ATI's Vista drivers still sucking. It'll improve.

By the way, people saying "DX10 only working on Vista is MS bulls***" are wrong. DX10 takes advantage of the new kernel and requires WDDM.
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You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Even Carmack has said aloud that there is no reason DX10 can't be on XP. I certainly hope you aren't in the software line of work.
 
tanod said:
Halo 2 is a crappy port and Shadowrun isn't worth $50.
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I disagree. Halo 2 is pretty amazing on my 8800GTS in 1680x1050. Plus it's a ton of fun playing with a mouse and keyboard. Shadowrun looks incredible on a high-end gaming rig.

What's crappy about the Halo 2 port from Xbox to PC?
 
epmode said:
If there's a faster way to let everyone know that you're a jackass, I haven't found it.
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Right, thanks for your contribution. At least I posted hard data supporting my view.

As far as the m$ thing goes, I consider it just common place shorthand at this point.
 
1-D_FTW said:
And I would disagree completely. It's my opinion the more oblivious you are, the more you'll love Vista. I completely agree with John C Dvorak on this: Mac user love Vista and Windows users hate it. That's a simplification, but as a power user, the issues I've got with Vista are things most people will never notice. If I were paying for an OS today (and didn't have a copy of XP), I'd go Vista cause it's the future. But to say to say it's without issues is painting yourself as the one who's a lightweight.
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Although I see your point - I disagree that Vista is a simplification. It is in the sense that XP is a simplification of 2000: pretty GUI, lots of refinements, etc. But, if you tweak the Vista OS you can get it back to your "power user" XP-level. Sure, it takes more work than XP - but I'm not going back to XP for my gaming PC simply because, like it or not, Vista is the future.

Also - to everyone arguing that DX10 can work in XP - duh. But it won't. Microsoft doesn't want it to happen. Period. They want to sell you a new OS. So, cling to XP as long as you can - but inevitably you'll have to switch to Vista.
 
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