BlazinSkatinAxel
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New Florida law lets any resident challenge whats taught in science classes
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I'm ignorant on how this should work and i'm just spit balling here and while it could cause beaurarcachy but wouldn't sense to make more than one person and like council or something to vote on this and even have variance of background and views if you want to be "unbiased".
I could be completely wrong and an idiot but it seems better than leaving it all to one guy especially even if he was atheist he would still have some form of bias.
I mean you have an entire class to "teach" you the former in germany.
That is far more crazy if you think about it.
BudokaiMR2
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Even an idea like that is destined to fail because you are trading one idiot for a room full of idiots.
See: police shooting case jurors.
Fair enough
"Man ain't come from no monkey!! Why we still got monkeys then??"
The idea of evolution is an attack on their beliefs in how everything came to be, so it's not good enough that they choose not to believe in evolution. The idea simply cannot exist for others to make that choice as well, so they can feel comfortable in how they view reality.
More accurately, that is science, you're supposed to do that. You'd imagine in smart-bizarro world the scientists put this same law into effect to keep out things like creationism.
TumblingHippo
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I'm glad that stories like this pop up to remind me to never listen to the cowards, that say we need to move more to the center to appease these willfully ignorant Republicans.
Abstrusity
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And we can certainly use it that way.
Actually, I'm going to try to get a job with the district in order to bulwark science from this theocratic bullshittery.
Goddamn I hate Rick Scott so much...
digita1alchemy
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Fine, but if they're challenging the validity of science material they should have to present their argument using the scientific method, or be laughed out of the office.
ElBoxyBrown
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their book is the Bible, beat that science
It being viewed as either "inherited guilt" or "inherited sinfulness" doesn't really change the high level position that humans under mainstream Christianity are considered inherently sinful and in need of salvation via Jesus.
The "incompatibility" between Christianity and evolution is that how Original Sin was assigned to humans in the first place doesn't square unless you start taking massive liberties well beyond considering Genesis mere allegory.
Karsticles
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I am a teacher that just moved to FL yesterday. RIP.
Creationism refers to the specific series of events laid out in Genesis. These people are against ANYTHING that says different from God willing everything into existence as-is a few thousand years ago.
Perhaps the best course of action here is for heroic residents to deluge the schools with inane propositions challenging everything taught (or not) in classrooms, on topics ranging from the existence of gravity to the founding of the United States by Martians to the rules of football.
That's a dumb fucking idea - but I think that's the point.
Let us allow (and indeed encourage you) to decide to keep your kids as dumb and uneducated as you are.
TBH I'm seriously, seriously going of democracy although I also shy from a more elitist "let smart people make all the decisions" approach either.
But seriously - this is dumb. Why not let people decide what operations they have vs trusted professionals. Why not let them decide if their car is roadworthy or not. Or whether they even send their kids to school.
Long term this kind of stuff isn't going to be good for fabric or US society or for enabling a better level of social equality.
Let us allow (and indeed encourage you) to decide to keep your kids as dumb and uneducated as you are.
TBH I'm seriously, seriously going of democracy although I also shy from a more elitist "let smart people make all the decisions" approach either.
But seriously - this is dumb. Why not let people decide what operations they have vs trusted professionals. Why not let them decide if their car is roadworthy or not. Or whether they even send their kids to school.
Long term this kind of stuff isn't going to be good for fabric or US society or for enabling a better level of social equality.
It could be both.
Sorry to post again so quickly but there's more than a whiff of "let's burn them questionable books" here too which is just infuriating to me.
It's hyperbole to an extent and I know it but it feels like US is locked into a downward spiral right now socially looking in from the outside.
Not doubt things will improve at some point but damn with a POTUS who's incoherent and essentially a wealthy thug and a rabid GOP government falling over to actualize The Handmaid's Tale (and a few other cautionary novels) as the actual society of US it's really very, very depressing to see a leading Western Country in this state.
It's hyperbole to an extent and I know it but it feels like US is locked into a downward spiral right now socially looking in from the outside.
Not doubt things will improve at some point but damn with a POTUS who's incoherent and essentially a wealthy thug and a rabid GOP government falling over to actualize The Handmaid's Tale (and a few other cautionary novels) as the actual society of US it's really very, very depressing to see a leading Western Country in this state.
Easton Dark
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Yet:
Fuck you, you lying assholes. You don't care about the parents, you want the ability for random people to hassle schools about science and politics.
greatestjediever
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This is exactly what I was thinking. If they want to allow this to happen, I hope people sink the whole process into the ground with complaint after complaint.
Mr. Giggles
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I mean you could challenge whatever you want...but fact of the matter would be that you come up wrong because scientific fact is against you.
PhantomThief
Banned
Wow, The usa is going down the drain quicker then I thought possible!
PhantomThief
Banned
usa turning into turkey
I was actually fine with it in my high school class. I think all they talked about was Intelligent design.
I H8 Memes
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America is so much more entertaining than it was 30 years ago. When I was 13 years old and going to public school in Louisiana it was super boring. Sex Ed and evolution without any complaints from parents and no sign that elected officials and school officials would do anything except laugh in the face of someone who suggested abstinence only or teaching creationism. In Louisiana.
You young people dont have any idea how lucky you are to grow up in such an exciting America as this.
You young people dont have any idea how lucky you are to grow up in such an exciting America as this.
And it's mostly by immigrants lol. Only one of my chemical engineering professors was born and raised in the US. Americans are too dumb at math and science (see the LAT math thread) to be leading much of any of that scientific advancement.
At the same time, IF the whole idea was really to improve education* (IF), I would find wrong the idea to limit the public inputs to parents only.
(* and even if this IF was true, I don't think it would work)
n00bsauce87
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it's pointless, people will just question everything that's taught in science classes
Maybe that was the point all along. To educate the uneducated.
Maybe that was the point all along. To educate the uneducated.
airmangataosenai
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Guys. Obama didnt arrest the bankers and authorized drone strikes so clearly that validates our rapid descent into the prologue of The Handmaids Tale.
Commanche Raisin Toast
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I wonder how far away we are from book burnings. Seriously.
Under his eye, etc.
Under his eye, etc.
BassForever
Member
So what's to stop a parent/student from counter complaining when they add creationism to a science class 🤔
Steeped in a Sea of Games
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Well, at least the only thing they'll have to blame for their slowly flooding state will be God since it'll be all they know.
I think the reactionaries/conservatives are much more organized and will probably cause more of an outcry if their material isn't taught.
I'm really glad I went to Catholic school. We never had to deal with the creationism/climate change denial stuff.
Depends which Unbiased Dude is selected and how.
You'd be surprised by the things you find published in high-level journals with peer reviews...
I mean, there's hundred of computer random-generated papers that are often peer-reviewed and published. It has become real problem recently:
https://www.nature.com/news/publishers-withdraw-more-than-120-gibberish-papers-1.14763
Also, there's a real issue about reproducing the results of publish papers, meaning that there's probably a lot of dubious papers in reputable journals:
http://www.nature.com/news/1-500-scientists-lift-the-lid-on-reproducibility-1.19970
I don't have a single doubt that you could have a paper on a dubious subject reviewed and published, so that won't be that a huge hurdle to overcome if someone wants to exploit this law...
If it's really unbiased and just a guy they pick up off the street, then I'm really worried.
At this point, I expect him to be elected (for example by parents)
hammysaurusrex
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Certainly the main motivation for the bill is so that Christian extremists and their political forces can push an anti-science agenda in the classroom, but the bill is also super broad. I imagine it's also going to be used for petty stuff: "is not suited to student needs and their ability to comprehend the material presented, or is inappropriate for the grade level and age group" - I can only imagine how an academic helicopter parent is going to wield this tool in the face of their amazing snowflake child struggling in a class. It also looks like it'll be really easy to use this to question any books that are even slightly controversial, so literature is in the cross-hairs, as usual.
My heart goes out to Evangelical children who are so often denied a proper science education, and the teachers who are going to have to actually deal with the day to day ramifications of this garbage.
My heart goes out to Evangelical children who are so often denied a proper science education, and the teachers who are going to have to actually deal with the day to day ramifications of this garbage.
This isn't even hyperbole. It's a cold, hard fact. People who are educated are far more difficult to control because they're accustomed to thinking things through.
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