Bojji
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In medicine anything that Ai does needs to be verified by humans, and I guess this is true for most stuff. So where is this exactly reducing workforce?
Ai's can make absolutely critical mistakes.
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New Google DeepMind Paper says LLMS will never achieve AGI/consciousness
In medicine anything that Ai does needs to be verified by humans, and I guess this is true for most stuff. So where is this exactly reducing workforce?
Ai's can make absolutely critical mistakes.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
I'm talking about split brain people who can see the word green in one half of their vision and an orange colored square in the other half and if you asked them what they saw would say one thing but if you asked them to write it they would write the other and depending on which field of vision they looked at it would not understand why they wrote that.
Or people who lose the ability to recognize faces and even facial emotions. Even if you show them - this is an angry face - the brain is so compartmentalized that they can't process that information.
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uncreativename
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I don't understand why anyone would want a conscious AI. Isn't a robot that will just obey orders and answer questions way more useful? Who's this AGI stuff for?
Bojji
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uncreativename
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Imagining a games website requesting a conscious AI to replace their writers, but to preserve the quality of their articles they request that its personality be a composite based on the posting history of all the most retarded Era users :]
uncreativename
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The part around 13:00 is really disturbing :/ . So basically these people hate their fellow man and believe they deserve to be even further above us.
uncreativename
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No wonder some of these people end up obsessed by death and pay to have themselves cryofrozen.
But it must seem even more outrageous to these people that they have to die like the rest of us.
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Bojji
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IDKFA
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From the 13:00 mark that went from dystopia to horror.
I think he's right. AGI will be able to work out how to reverse aging, cure all disease, crack biological immortality etc. However, these benefits will be reserved for the elite few.
The rest of us will be jobless, poor and then die off. Giving the elite their "utopia" without the poor plebs.
I'll hook you guys up when the time comes
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Wildebeest
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Consciousness is more along the PT Barnum end of the scale to talk about AGI. AGI is more like machines that have more ability to learn in real time compared to current tech that have a very expensive training process then read only "inference" for users. Along with overall better capability for not messing up, remembering things, and so on. I suppose it might make for a more impressive chat bot but the real use is accelerating scientific progress. Like if it can cure cancer then a few people might grudgingly think that it was actually worth it.
Days like these...
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On a tangent I love watching this guy's channel. Along with https://youtube.com/@essentiafoundation?si=nJYYO7l81jmQSTZB
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Zacfoldor
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While I'm sure "consciousness" is the selling point what really is that? The real thing we are talking bout here is figuring, realizing, and adapting. The more I think about this the more I realize it isn't actually impossible even now. We have these narrow blades right and they have some general knowledge and some deep knowledge when they are trained.
Why then can't we simply synchronize. With multi-agent systems, the right training, and proper orchestration AGI could be emulated even now. Whether it is achieved by LLMs today or never, I still think it is ludicrous to call it impossible. It's been done once before. In our brain. Whether one assumes God made us or evolution, the process still occurred using biomass. So definitely not impossible. We are super complex but not magic. We may never be able to copy ourselves, but to call it impossible as an absolute is just scientifically galling. Have we learned nothing. You know, honestly, for practical purposes most humans aren't really as smart as the dumbest LLM. Even the smartest google working humans aren't really that smart, see "impossobol science" comment from google engineer. If you think about it, my 14 year old cat is smarter than most 4 year olds, and also capable of keeping itself alive better than most 40 year olds. The dumbest animal is conscious. A goldfish is conscious and sentient. Understand that it simply means nothing of relevance scientifically. You can be almost braindead and conscious. You can be smarter than all humans on Earth and not technically meet the definition of consciousness. It's arbitrary. It's a social construct. Easily bypassable. In fact I bet this is actually just human slop trying to make people feel better about AI somehow. Let me check.
I ask Gemini:
Why then can't we simply synchronize. With multi-agent systems, the right training, and proper orchestration AGI could be emulated even now. Whether it is achieved by LLMs today or never, I still think it is ludicrous to call it impossible. It's been done once before. In our brain. Whether one assumes God made us or evolution, the process still occurred using biomass. So definitely not impossible. We are super complex but not magic. We may never be able to copy ourselves, but to call it impossible as an absolute is just scientifically galling. Have we learned nothing. You know, honestly, for practical purposes most humans aren't really as smart as the dumbest LLM. Even the smartest google working humans aren't really that smart, see "impossobol science" comment from google engineer. If you think about it, my 14 year old cat is smarter than most 4 year olds, and also capable of keeping itself alive better than most 40 year olds. The dumbest animal is conscious. A goldfish is conscious and sentient. Understand that it simply means nothing of relevance scientifically. You can be almost braindead and conscious. You can be smarter than all humans on Earth and not technically meet the definition of consciousness. It's arbitrary. It's a social construct. Easily bypassable. In fact I bet this is actually just human slop trying to make people feel better about AI somehow. Let me check.
I ask Gemini:
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Days like these...
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You think consciousness is a social construct? Almost everything is a social construct language, morality, marriage but consciousness is not one of them. Consciousness is all there is. Everything springs from it.
kpopSuperstar
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The brain can run for 6 hours on the energy it would get from 1 banana. It is fucking wild that they can't brute force anything even close to it with all the supercomputers they got.
On the flip side, there are intelligent creatures everyone on the planet in all sort of forms, you would imagine that there is some algorithm that could generate conciousness.
On the flip side, there are intelligent creatures everyone on the planet in all sort of forms, you would imagine that there is some algorithm that could generate conciousness.
Zacfoldor
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If there is only one human left they will still be conscious.
The word though, it's doing a lot of heavy lifting. Why is consciousness so important? What is it exactly.
So here is what I'm saying. When I say "consciousness" is a social construct, you recoil. Why? Because of course we heavily value our own consciousness. We've been told that it makes us unique, human, important. Special.
...but is the word itself a fraud? Is it just there to make us feel better about what we are? Is consciousness a requirement for a successful species? A non-conscious person can be alive. We have a shared consciousness as well if you are a student of Jung. Yes, I think it's not really a thing in the universe. Human slop. If you think about it, we are all made from the same stardust. If we separate the word conscious from the world alive, because things can be alive and not conscious, and we see that a cricket possesses it but a LLM doesn't, perhaps it is time to reframe what is really important here. Why oh why did our gamer shared consciousness have to choose Luddite over Apocaloptimist. We've been anti-luddites our whole lives and now boomers are beating us to the LLM pot of gold because they aren't afraid of tech anymore, we are. We must shed this fear and bravely face tomorrow unafraid. There's one reason we've gotten in this predicament. We've always been a contrary group even to our own deficit. We'd rather be contrary than right.
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Have a Blessed Day
You're confusing conscious with consciousness. I'm recoiling because it's absurd. Consciousness is what gave rise to the ability to form thoughts and language. Consciousness is the capacity for experience. Conscious is the on off switch.
If there is only one human left they will still be conscious.
The word though, it's doing a lot of heavy lifting. Why is consciousness so important? What is it exactly.
So here is what I'm saying. When I say "consciousness" is a social construct, you recoil. Why? Because of course we heavily value our own consciousness. We've been told that it makes us unique, human, important. Special.
...but is the word itself a fraud? Is it just there to make us feel better about what we are? Is consciousness a requirement for a successful species? A non-conscious person can be alive. We have a shared consciousness as well if you are a student of Jung. Yes, I think it's not really a thing in the universe. Human slop. If you think about it, we are all made from the same stardust. If we separate the word conscious from the world alive, because things can be alive and not conscious, and we see that a cricket possesses it but a LLM doesn't, perhaps it is time to reframe what is really important here. Why oh why did our gamer shared consciousness have to choose Luddite over Apocaloptimist. We've been anti-luddites our whole lives and now boomers are beating us to the LLM pot of gold because they aren't afraid of tech anymore, we are. We must shed this fear and bravely face tomorrow unafraid. There's one reason we've gotten in this predicament. We've always been a contrary group even to our own deficit. We'd rather be contrary than right.
Epistemologically consciousness is important because nothing can be perceived with out the ability to perceive it.
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Same with giant battle mechs.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
What does that mean for a computer versus a human brain though?
Think of face blindness where someone loses the ability to identify facial emotions. You can show them a hundred angry faces - then show them a picture of an angry face and they wouldn't be able to tell you if the face was angry. They still apparently have all their logical abilities - they should be able to reason out the answer - but they can't because that perception is off loaded to a specialized part of the brain that they lack.
Or sight - we perceive our vision as a whole - we aren't aware that things in one side of our field of vision are processed by one side of our brain. People with split brain syndrome can perceive two different things simultaneously and different parts of their body and thought processes only have access to one of them.
Consciousness is an abstraction layer - we aren't privy to the low level stuff going on in our brains so we can't really tell if our processing is similar to AI or not.