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[notworksafe]

FFXIV is the real problem there.

Yeah that's my one worry. However my MBP runs the Beta at 20ish FPS so I think this will do better than that, at least.

 

[LCfiner]

Question regarding the 27'' monitor on the iMac.

I've read that through the DisplayPort, you can use it as an input, and thus as a monitor. I assume this was designed for Macbooks, but wondering if I could buy a Displayport to DVI adapter and then hook my PC through it as well, and thus use the iMac as a monitor for my PC??

No.

this was asked a lot before when the first 27 Macs came out and it's worth repeating here.

you need a 150 dollar converter to go from DVI to miniDP. it's not the same as miniDP to DVI, which only requires a 5 dollar dongle from monoprice.

the video in on the iMacs and ACD is essentially limited to anything with a mini DP out.

 

[bridegur]

I thought the iMac update would make my decision easier, but I feel more confused than ever. How much of a performance difference is there between the 3.60GHz i5 and the i7?

 

[Chris R]

Yeah that's my one worry. However my MBP runs the Beta at 20ish FPS so I think this will do better than that, at least.

Probably have to run it windowed though, these new iMacs have higher resolution displays.

 

[Always-honest]

Are you aiming for the highest end Mac pro? If you have that much money to spare, I would recommend building a PC alongside of your high end mac pro... But yes, a an 5870 is a high end card

i'm buying it for my work. But i might consider gaming on it if it's really worth it.
Maybe i can hook it up on my HD projector.

If it's not worth it for gaming, i'll probably still buy it for my work (i need to do investments every once in a while right ), but maybe a slightly cheaper/ less powerfull one.

 

[Blackhead]

Er...palm? Why are you using this on your palm? Just use tap to click for whatever you're doing on your hand?

I prefer pressing to tapping (although I've been using tap-to-click for a while now as my laptop trackpad is borked :/). And if I decide to dock the laptop, or replace it with a desktop combo, I would be using the trackpad while on the couch.

No.

That's still tap to click, isn't it? And it appears to be resting on a surface... Or did you mean, "No, it can't fit in a palm"?!

Isn't dinovo a lot smaller? If it's the one I thinking about it felt pretty cramped where as the apple is normal size but minimalistic to cut down on size and feels normal to use. I like it on my windows computer.

Yes, DiNovo is a thumbs keyboard. Not suitable as your main keyboard.

Well, I'm pairing this with a laptop so the full laptop keyboard would still be there if I need it. I'm fine with a thumbs keyboard for the most part. I'd even use the iPhone as a keyboard if I could...

 

[Benjamin1981]

No.

this was asked a lot before when the first 27 Macs came out and it's worth repeating here.

you need a 150 dollar converter to go from DVI to miniDP. it's not the same as miniDP to DVI, which only requires a 5 dollar dongle from monoprice.

the video in on the iMacs and ACD is essentially limited to anything with a mini DP out.

Probably better to buy a PC video card with mini display port than buying the freaking 150 dollar adapter.

 

[LCfiner]

Probably better to buy a PC video card with mini display port than buying the freaking 150 dollar adapter.

exactly.


(or get an IPS display from Dell with multiple inputs)

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

I prefer pressing to tapping (although I've been using tap-to-click for a while now as my laptop trackpad is borked :/). And if I decide to dock the laptop, or replace it with a desktop combo, I would be using the trackpad while on the couch.


That's still tap to click, isn't it? And it appears to be resting on a surface... Or did you mean, "No, it can't fit in a palm"?!



Well, I'm pairing this with a laptop so the full laptop keyboard would still be there if I need it. I'm fine with a thumbs keyboard for the most part. I'd even use the iPhone as a keyboard if I could...

Then it's really what you prefer. I can't stand a thumbs keyboard unless it's like for PS3 or something. I have no problem with my apple one on my lap or something like that for typing. It's small and light. I mean one is normal feeling keyboard typing where the other is more like texting. It depends on what you're looking for.

 

[noah111]

Honestly thought the trackpad was going to be a lot bigger, though i'm sure it's big enough.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Honestly thought the trackpad was going to be a lot bigger, though i'm sure it's big enough.

How big were you expecting? ?

 

[Blackhead]

Then it's really what you prefer. I can't stand a thumbs keyboard unless it's like for PS3 or something. I have no problem with my apple one on my lap or something like that for typing. It's small and light. I mean one is normal feeling keyboard typing where the other is more like texting. It depends on what you're looking for.

Yeah I figured it would boil down to that. Don't want to start a flamewar. I've borrowed a wireless keyboard already and I'm playing with it now. It's a lot harder to justify a DiNovo, as it's double the price, but I'd love to get my hands on one.

What I'd really like to know are the alternatives to the Apple keyboard and DiNovo mini not a comparison between the two. Is the Apple Bluetooth keyboard the best wireless keyboard on the market? Just asking in case there are other suggestions...

 

[Always-honest]

Honestly thought the trackpad was going to be a lot bigger, though i'm sure it's big enough.

i'm sure someday there will be a trackpad in a screen someday.


wait...

 

[noah111]

I dunno, but from the original leaked shots it looked pretty big.. I guess I misjudged how big the keyboard really is. :lol

 

[Lonely1]

i'm buying it for my work. But i might consider gaming on it if it's really worth it.
Maybe i can hook it up on my HD projector.

If it's not worth it for gaming, i'll probably still buy it for my work (i need to do investments every once in a while right ), but maybe a slightly cheaper/ less powerfull one.

Well, right now adding a 4870 adds $200 to the price of the base Mac Pro model. So, if you are set on buying a Mac Pro I think the extra bucks of adding a 5870 are worth if it stays around $500 and you are planning to use boot camp.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Yeah I figured it would boil down to that. Don't want to start a flamewar. I've borrowed a wireless keyboard already and I'm playing with it now. It's a lot harder to justify a DiNovo, as it's double the price, but I'd love to get my hands on one.

What I'd really like to know are the alternatives to the Apple keyboard and DiNovo mini not a comparison between the two. Is the Apple Bluetooth keyboard the best wireless keyboard on the market? Just asking in case there are other suggestions...

Again, it all depends on what you're looking for. There are more "feature rich" keyboards that have more multimedia buttons that logitech and people make but they're also larger. I don't think there's another keyboard as minimalistic as the apple one. The only reason I got it was it's the only keyboard that is small enough to fit on my tiny ass desk without hanging off the edge and making it a pain to type.

 

[stldave2]

Well I'm stuck in an awkward place. I really want that 12 core, but I'm not hot on the idea of dropping $7k to get it all said and done:lol I think I might just do the single chip 6 core Xeon W3680 w/ 12 gigs of ram and the BTO 5870. That paired with the new 27" display should be pretty nice. I hate the idea of getting price out of the dodeca, but it is what it is.

 

[Always-honest]

I dunno, but from the original leaked shots it looked pretty big.. I guess I misjudged how big the keyboard really is. :lol

http://cdn.venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/06-07-10magicmock.jpg

seems like a perfect size actually

 

[Blackhead]

Again, it all depends on what you're looking for. There are more "feature rich" keyboards that have more multimedia buttons that logitech and people make but they're also larger. I don't think there's another keyboard as minimalistic as the apple one. The only reason I got it was it's the only keyboard that is small enough to fit on my tiny ass desk without hanging off the edge and making it a pain to type.

gotcha. That's what I wanted to know. Thanks.

 

[giga]

It's plenty big. This is a 15" MBP.

 

[LCfiner]

OMG. WANT!!!

 

[Chris R]

Come on. i3&C2D are still good CPUs and should be more than enough for most people.

If you are just surfing the web and checking email sure it is. If you are running multiple applications at once it will start to feel sluggish. I know, a friend just got a new laptop with an i3, even after I told him to get an i5. He likes it, but he does notice how sluggish it can be and almost returned it. Only reason he kept it was the smaller form factor, lighter weight, and longer battery life (all of which were marginal factors really)

I'm just saying that I see the i3 as a mobile CPU where the i5 is a mainstream product and the different levels of the i7 are for different levels of enthusiasts.

edit: I know most people will disagree with me and that is fine, I'm just stating my opinion. I love my slow ass Mini and only wish I had the 2.5k to dump on the top of the line iMac or a Mac Pro.

 

[Tobor]

I prefer pressing to tapping (although I've been using tap-to-click for a while now as my laptop trackpad is borked :/). And if I decide to dock the laptop, or replace it with a desktop combo, I would be using the trackpad while on the couch.


That's still tap to click, isn't it? And it appears to be resting on a surface... Or did you mean, "No, it can't fit in a palm"?!



Well, I'm pairing this with a laptop so the full laptop keyboard would still be there if I need it. I'm fine with a thumbs keyboard for the most part. I'd even use the iPhone as a keyboard if I could...

You can do that right now with Air Mouse.

 

[giga]

Magic Trackpad and Multi-Touch Trackpad Update 1.0 (Windows and Mac) Also adds inertial scrolling and three finger drag for current/previous laptops! Huzzah!

Inertial Scrolling and Three-Finger Drag Gesture Support

These Mac portables support inertial scrolling and the three-finger drag gesture after you install Magic Trackpad and Multi-Touch Trackpad Update 1.0:

MacBook
MacBook (13-inch, Early 2009)
MacBook (13-inch, Mid 2009)
MacBook (13-inch, Late 2009)
MacBook (13-inch, Aluminum, Late 2008)

MacBook Pro
MacBook Pro (17-inch, Mid 2010)
MacBook Pro (15-inch, Mid 2010)
MacBook Pro (17-inch, Mid 2009)
MacBook Pro (15-inch, 2.53 GHz, Mid 2009)
MacBook Pro (15-inch, Mid 2009)
MacBook Pro (13-inch, Mid 2009)
MacBook Pro (17-inch, Early 2009)
MacBook Pro (17-inch, Late 2008)

The following Mac portables support inertial scrolling after installing Magic Trackpad and Multi-Touch Trackpad Update 1.0:

MacBook Air
MacBook Air
MacBook Air (Mid 2009)

MacBook Pro
MacBook Pro (15-inch, Early 2008)
MacBook Pro (17-inch, Early 2008)

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

This wireless keyboard is amazing. It's the best keyboard I have ever owned. And the incredible thing? It's smaller than my 13'' laptop keyboard. That's insane. MBP has some of the best keyboards.. Only Sony can compare I think, but in trackpad, NOTHING compares to that of Apple. It's simply to go good. you just want to put your mouth down on the trackpad, and just eat it up.

 

[Blackhead]

You can do that right now with Air Mouse.

Don't get me started on the *shaking* required to make the landscape keyboard appear in AirMouse... Yeah I could use it but the app is a mouse and media controller first and a keyboard second. I'm looking for a dedicated keyboard app that is pleasant to use.

 

[Tobor]

Don't get me started on the *shaking* required to make the landscape keyboard appear in AirMouse... Yeah I could use it but the app is a mouse and media controller first and a keyboard second. I'm looking for a dedicated keyboard app that is pleasant to use.

Oh, I don't use it much, I just knew you could technically do it. :lol

 

[Wrestlemania]

So I'm probably going to go for the base 27", but I'm a bit confused by all the graphics card talk. Am I better sticking to the 5670 or upgrading to the 5750?

 

[Blackhead]

Oh, I don't use it much, I just knew you could technically do it. :lol

I have to stay true to form and give my obscure reasons why the easy solution won't work . Thanks though

 

[kaskade]

I want the batteries.

 

[bridegur]

So I'm probably going to go for the base 27", but I'm a bit confused by all the graphics card talk. Am I better sticking to the 5670 or upgrading to the 5750?

I'd like to know the answer to this, as well. Also, I'm still wondering how big a difference there is between the i5 and i7.

 

[sankt-Antonio]

The arguments about adding HDMI were always that it costs almost nothing, so how would missing a few good ports make it overpriced?

The Cinema Display is another in a long list that includes every single Apple product that is only made for the audience Apple wants for it. It's for plugging in your MacBook or adding a second display to your iMac. That's it, and they don't give a shit about anything else, because those people can buy the Dell monitor.

and that does not change the fact that this is a bad thing...
the same could be said about the removal of linux on ps3s... well kind of.

anyway... question is... should i buy a probook with this 27" display or a pc with dells 27" monitor?!? i already own a lenovo t61, but its getting slow

 

[LCfiner]

and that does not change the fact that this is a bad thing...
the same could be said about the removal of linux on ps3s... well kind of.

anyway... question is... should i buy a probook with this 27" display or a pc with dells 27" monitor?!? i already own a lenovo t61, but its getting slow

what software do want to use? Logic? Final cut? iMovie? Xcode? get the Mac.


or... Games, windows development, CAD? get the PC.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

and that does not change the fact that this is a bad thing...

How?

I mean, GAF only appeals to gamers and people into off-topic girl-age drama, and it's working well with that. Should GAF start to appeal to everyone? Would it still be GAF?

 

[sankt-Antonio]

How?

I mean, GAF only appeals to gamers and people into off-topic girl-age drama, and it's working well with that. Should GAF start to appeal to everyone? Would it still be GAF?

? whats so wrong about the dell monitor that has every fucking port you could wisch for... what would change in apples way of doing things if they would add thouse?

oh and gaf would ban you if you would start to discriminate someone

what software do want to use? Logic? Final cut? iMovie? Xcode? get the Mac.


or... Games, windows development, CAD? get the PC.

i love the fact that apple is plug and play... but damn they are overprieced... but so good..
(i just went to dell, today the price of the 27" went up from 730€ to 1070€ )

 

[Mecha_Infantry]

? whats so wrong about the dell monitor that has every fucking port you could wisch for... what would change in apples way of doing things if they would add thouse?

Maybe the point is that the product caters to Apple owners. Why would someone want every connection under the sun when all they need are USB and ting

More doesn't always mean better.

 

[sankt-Antonio]

Maybe the point is that the product caters to Apple owners. Why would someone want every connection under the sun when all they need are USB and ting

More doesn't always mean better.

well then apple users could plug a blu ray player/ps3/wii/xbox/dslr/whatever on the screen... why am i even talking to apple fans?

edit. we dont need to discuss this, sorry for off topic!!!

You are thinking from a Windows prospective, maybe you don't know the Apple methodology of simplicity to keep things working. I don't know why you are talking to us

buying an port adapter that clutters up my desk to play a console on a monitor is methodology of simplicity?

... dont get me wrong i love apple stuff, but they just take the shit too far a lot of times... and that makes it hard for me sometimes

or maybe i just try to find bad things about apple to justify staying on old old windows

edit: "Like Lui said, Apple aren't over priced, just damn expensive" that is true

 

[Mecha_Infantry]

well then apple users could plug a blu ray player/ps3/wii/xbox/dslr/whatever on the screen... why am i even talking to apple fans?

You are thinking from a Windows prospective, maybe you don't know the Apple methodology of simplicity to keep things working. I don't know why you are talking to us

I've just seen your edit. No harm caused, just decide on what you want to do software wise and let the hardware follow.

Like Lui said, Apple aren't over priced, just damn expensive.

 

[Wrestlemania]

I'd like to know the answer to this, as well. Also, I'm still wondering how big a difference there is between the i5 and i7.

Actually, that's another point - stick with the i3 or upgrade to the i5 for an extra £160?

 

[pxleyes]

You are thinking from a Windows prospective, maybe you don't know the Apple methodology of simplicity to keep things working. I don't know why you are talking to us

I've just seen your edit. No harm caused, just decide on what you want to do software wise and let the hardware follow.

Like Lui said, Apple aren't over priced, just damn expensive.

Back up. You think options = windows now? The lack of ports makes the monitor work better? Are you listening to yourself.

Don't get me wrong, the monitor is great for MBPs and Mac towers, but to try and claim it would somehow function worse with more ports to plug in things like a blu ray player is just absurd. If I still did as much video editing as I did in school, I would be pretty pissed about not being able to use such a monitor (at that price) for disc testing simply because it doesn't have the port.

 

[pxleyes]

Actually, that's another point - stick with the i3 or upgrade to the i5 for an extra £160?

You will notice a huge performance jump with an i5. i3s aren't really much different in terms of typical, daily performance than the slightly older Core 2 Duos.

 

[bridegur]

You will notice a huge performance jump with an i5. i3s aren't really much different in terms of typical, daily performance than the slightly older Core 2 Duos.

What about from an i5 to an i7?

 

[Tobor]

I have to stay true to form and give my obscure reasons why the easy solution won't work . Thanks though

haha, I was hoping you saw that.

 

[pxleyes]

What about from an i5 to an i7?

That's a tougher question. It comes down mostly to what you use the system for. i7 is definitely more powerful, but will you use that power? If you just to the typical user things, ie: photos, videos, internet, mail, etc) then you won't really find much use for that power until a couple years down the line. However, if you run CPU intensive software (Adobe CS programs for example) then that extra power could come in handy for you.

I do mostly web design work right now and I just recently (last 2 months) upgraded from a Core 2 Duo E6600 to an i5 and I noticed a HUGE jump in performance. Things are just snappy again. Not sure if that is scientific enough for you, but it is my personal experience.

 

[Borman]

I just want the ATI card to work in my old Mac Pro like they have in the past. Then I will be happy. My 2.66 quad from 2006 still runs well enough.

 

[bridegur]

That's a tougher question. It comes down mostly to what you use the system for. i7 is definitely more powerful, but will you use that power? If you just to the typical user things, ie: photos, videos, internet, mail, etc) then you won't really find much use for that power until a couple years down the line. However, if you run CPU intensive software (Adobe CS programs for example) then that extra power could come in handy for you.

I do mostly web design work right now and I just recently (last 2 months) upgraded from a Core 2 Duo E6600 to an i5 and I noticed a HUGE jump in performance. Things are just snappy again. Not sure if that is scientific enough for you, but it is my personal experience.

Cool, thanks. I'll have to wait and see some benchmarks before I make my decision.

 

[giga]

You will notice a huge performance jump with an i5. i3s aren't really much different in terms of typical, daily performance than the slightly older Core 2 Duos.

Eh, while they aren't comparable to i5/i7, they're still a noticeable improvement over the C2D and even some C2Qs. (these are i3s without Turbo Boost though, something that the new iMacs apparently have)

The low end iMac has a 3.06GHz i3:

 

[drknite]

Magic Trackpad and Multi-Touch Trackpad Update 1.0 (Windows and Mac) Also adds inertial scrolling and three finger drag for current/previous laptops! Huzzah!

Inertial Scrolling and Three-Finger Drag Gesture Support

This is a pleasant surprise

 

[KtSlime]

Back up. You think options = windows now? The lack of ports makes the monitor work better? Are you listening to yourself.

Don't get me wrong, the monitor is great for MBPs and Mac towers, but to try and claim it would somehow function worse with more ports to plug in things like a blu ray player is just absurd. If I still did as much video editing as I did in school, I would be pretty pissed about not being able to use such a monitor (at that price) for disc testing simply because it doesn't have the port.

It's a monitor for Macs, not for everything under the sun. Would it be cool to have an HDMI port, sure, but no Macs output to HDMI without an adaptor, so it would be silly to build a Mac monitor with an HDMI input. IMO.

Maybe when they start making TVs...

*edit* yay inertial scrolling Zzzooommmm.

 

[scorcho]

went to the 5th Ave Apple Store on the way out of a doctor's visit today and oggled the magic trackpad for a bit. if my order wasn't already in process for shipping i would've picked it up

the size is perfect - roughly 6 inches diagonal. question, which the Apple reps there couldn't answer - does the inertial scrolling also give that capabilities to the Macbook trackpads as well, or only while the magic trackpad is associated with it?

i'm also curious to see how this will work on Windows.

edit: see it's answered in that support article.