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New iMacs, Mac Pros, 27" Cinema Display, and Possibly Magic Touch Pad (6/26/10)

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giga said:
Interesting design.



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Huh if it's true that the trackpad registers a click based on pressure against the base from the surface it's sitting on maybe I don't want it since my mouse sits on one of those slide-out keyboard shelves that has a tiny bit of play in it. Could make clicking more of an effort than it should be.
 
btw Gary, did you see the benchmarks between the 4850 and the (potentially) new GPUs? they're roughly equivalent, but run much cooler, so no reason to buy a new one. unless you want to send me your old 27" free of charge, that is.
 
scorcho said:
btw Gary, did you see the benchmarks between the 4850 and the (potentially) new GPUs? they're roughly equivalent, but run much cooler, so no reason to buy a new one. unless you want to send me your old 27" free of charge, that is.
That's good to know, thanks! Do you have a link?
 
pxleyes said:
Back up. You think options = windows now? The lack of ports makes the monitor work better? Are you listening to yourself.

Don't get me wrong, the monitor is great for MBPs and Mac towers, but to try and claim it would somehow function worse with more ports to plug in things like a blu ray player is just absurd. If I still did as much video editing as I did in school, I would be pretty pissed about not being able to use such a monitor (at that price) for disc testing simply because it doesn't have the port.
Understanding and explaining why Apple would do something the way they do it doesn't mean you agree with them. I think this is actually the core of most misunderstandings and minor arguments you seem to have in Apple threads.

I get why they do it. They only care about people that have their computers. That doesn't mean I like it, and I don't, which is why I don't have a Mac laptop or a Cinema Display.
 
ivedoneyourmom said:
It's a monitor for Macs, not for everything under the sun. Would it be cool to have an HDMI port, sure, but no Macs output to HDMI without an adaptor, so it would be silly to build a Mac monitor with an HDMI input. IMO.

The new mac minis do.
 
Boonoo said:
The new mac minis do.
Ooops, oversight.... LOL, got me there. But I imagine they could just hook up the monitor to the minidvi if they were going to use this monitor.

Will check Apple product page more frequently...
 
Wrestlemania said:
Really? I'll be doing no video editing and probably a bit of gaming. This benchmark seems to indicate there's not a massive difference.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2901/12
I suppose it is where you have your system bottleneck, but i noticed a huge leap in real world performance. I had already updated to a GTX 260 so I was possibly bottlenecked on the CPU end. i5s are really the best bang for your buck if you build a system, but I'm not sure how well that standard translates to the new macs.
 
pxleyes said:
I suppose it is where you have your system bottleneck, but i noticed a huge leap in real world performance. I had already updated to a GTX 260 so I was possibly bottlenecked on the CPU end. i5s are really the best bang for your buck if you build a system, but I'm not sure how well that standard translates to the new macs.
I'm just trying to figure out whether the graphics and CPU upgrades will make a substantial difference or if I should just get the stock one. To be honest with either upgrade to the 27" it's so close to the quad core that there's no point in bothering, might as well go for that. It's so much more than I wanted to spend though :(
 
Flying_Phoenix said:
Can somebody comment if the Mac Pros' are at a good price now?
Depends on what you want to do. In some instances you might be better off with an Early 2008 version (dual 2.8 or higher)
I still think this last revision is ridiculously overpriced, especially if you want the 4870 in it. I simply reflashed a pc 4870 and that cost me less than 5 minutes and a $120 (at the time) 4870.
 
NYR said:
Question regarding the 27'' monitor on the iMac.

I've read that through the DisplayPort, you can use it as an input, and thus as a monitor. I assume this was designed for Macbooks, but wondering if I could buy a Displayport to DVI adapter and then hook my PC through it as well, and thus use the iMac as a monitor for my PC??

Not really...
the good news is that this isn't a hairbrained idea, as long as you use a newer video card that offers DisplayPort output and buy a DisplayPort to Mini Displayport cable for about $20.

the bad news is that some video cards still do not work. when i failed to get this working with an ATI 5770 i asked about it over on the AMD forums and a helpful person was having the same problem. he then tried an ATI 4890 and got it working easily.

http://superuser.com/questions/6014...nal-pc-monitor-with-full-2560x1440-resolution

edit: way late, but that's what I get for not refreshing a tab I had open earlier before responding.
 
Any news on if the top spec iMacs feature a mobile or desktop GPU yet?

I love my unibody MBP, but I want a new desktop (our old G5 died earlier this year).

I just want something somewhat meaty for my Maya work.
 
Hmmm - debating if should wait for a possible update to iLife. I assume the update will be free for iMacs created after a certain date.

I doubt the new models will get the upgrade for free, right? I'm in no rush - quick check says I couldn't get my iMac delivered by next week anyways so I don't mind waiting until mid month for more info.
 
ivedoneyourmom said:
Ooops, oversight.... LOL, got me there. But I imagine they could just hook up the monitor to the minidvi if they were going to use this monitor.

Will check Apple product page more frequently...

You mean the Mini Displayport.

Mac Mini's come with HDMI and Mini Displayport, no more DVI.
 
giga said:
Magic Trackpad and Multi-Touch Trackpad Update 1.0 (Windows and Mac) Also adds inertial scrolling and three finger drag for current/previous laptops! Huzzah!

Inertial Scrolling and Three-Finger Drag Gesture Support

These Mac portables support inertial scrolling and the three-finger drag gesture after you install Magic Trackpad and Multi-Touch Trackpad Update 1.0:

MacBook
MacBook (13-inch, Early 2009)
MacBook (13-inch, Mid 2009)
MacBook (13-inch, Late 2009)
MacBook (13-inch, Aluminum, Late 2008)

MacBook Pro
MacBook Pro (17-inch, Mid 2010)
MacBook Pro (15-inch, Mid 2010)
MacBook Pro (17-inch, Mid 2009)
MacBook Pro (15-inch, 2.53 GHz, Mid 2009)
MacBook Pro (15-inch, Mid 2009)
MacBook Pro (13-inch, Mid 2009)
MacBook Pro (17-inch, Early 2009)
MacBook Pro (17-inch, Late 2008)

The following Mac portables support inertial scrolling after installing Magic Trackpad and Multi-Touch Trackpad Update 1.0:

MacBook Air
MacBook Air
MacBook Air (Mid 2009)

MacBook Pro
MacBook Pro (15-inch, Early 2008)
MacBook Pro (17-inch, Early 2008)

What about Late 2008? I guess I'm about to find out now
 
Ulairi said:
Bullshit. The GPU in all the iMac models is woefully underpowered and cannot run 97% of games (whatever this means) perfectly at full settings. Now, it can run games at a respectable resolution (not max res) and have the games look good (but not high or highest settings) for a majority of games. I don't think the iMacs need CPU bumps so much as a high end GPU.

From What I read the high-end new Imacs will have 5770's. They can run every and any game on the market worth playing.
 
Mecha_Infantry said:
What about Late 2008? I guess I'm about to find out now
I had the same fear but after reading that twice I'm going to assume that the update doesn't do anything for the trackpad on the (late '08) MacBook Pro itself but the inertia scrolling and three finger drag will still work for the magic trackpad connected to the (late '08) MacBook Pro.
 
So graphics card performance is roughly the same? Time to find a EOL or Demo model now :D
 
I remember when every Mac update would be accompanied by a keynote presser. Now a new Magic Mouse, Mac Mini, and these new models/displays are released silently. So maybe in 3 years the iPod line will be relegated to these type of silent updates. And then later on for iPhone/iPad. But maybe then there will be new gadgets.
 
I'm going to have to bite on the 24" ACD. 27" is too big and pricey for me (UK price hasn't been revealed, but the 24" is too much already).

And now Apple have confirmed they are discontinuing the 24" and 30" I better act fast! Is there any word if the tech inside is exactly the same, or have they slightly upgraded the 27"?
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Every major update then. Which would include new Mac mini form factor and a multitouch mouse and magic trackpad. Anyway that wasn't the point of my post. So pedantic...
 
Charred Greyface said:
I had the same fear but after reading that twice I'm going to assume that the update doesn't do anything for the trackpad on the (late '08) MacBook Pro itself but the inertia scrolling and three finger drag will still work for the magic trackpad connected to the (late '08) MacBook Pro.

Just tested and they both work on the laptop its self

(double post fake edit)
 
Mecha_Infantry said:
I'm going to have to bite on the 24" ACD. 27" is too big and pricey for me (UK price hasn't been revealed, but the 24" is too much already).

And now Apple have confirmed they are discontinuing the 24" and 30" I better act fast! Is there any word if the tech inside is exactly the same, or have they slightly upgraded the 27"?
Tech is the same, just lower res (1920x1200 vs 2560x1440)
 
Mecha_Infantry said:
Maybe the point is that the product caters to Apple owners. Why would someone want every connection under the sun when all they need are USB and ting

More doesn't always mean better.

Yes it does. they've made a beautiful monitor with an impressive panel yet barely anyone can make use of it because of the shitty inputs.

It's dumb in anyones language, everytime i walk into pcworld i'm in awe at their displays yet i won't buy one simply because i CANNOT make use of it.
 
iMac or Mac Pro?
Today’s overdue Mac Pro update is a welcome change, but for a computer that’s so expensive, why not just get an iMac?

Here’s an attempt at configuring an iMac and a Mac Pro to be as similar as possible, in a high-performance configuration (yes, you can build a cheaper iMac, but this is for people who stress their hardware):

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I made some assumptions, like that you’d be willing to buy third-party disks and RAM, and that you’d be comfortable upgrading both in a Mac Pro (where it’s easy and intended), but you wouldn’t be comfortable upgrading the disks in an iMac (because it’s difficult, unintended, and has so much potential to damage the screen or get dust in it that even I refuse to attempt it). I also assumed that you wouldn’t care about the PCI-Express slots or extra optical bay in the Mac Pro, and that you wouldn’t find the dual-socket versions worth their premium, even though they give you twice as many RAM slots.

The Mac Pro will probably carry at least a $1200 premium over a similarly configured iMac no matter how you configure them. So the iMac is the practical winner for most people with average needs.

So why buy a Mac Pro?

I have a Mac Pro and Tiff has a 24” iMac. Both were purchased in early 2008. We both have high demands: I write a lot of code and process a lot of data and media files, and Tiff heavily edits wedding photo shoots with thousands of huge RAW files.

Now that both of our computers are nearly three years old, mine’s still doing fine for the foreseeable future (although I’ll put an SSD in it soon), but we’re ready to throw Tiff’s out the window.

My desk is clean and mostly free of cables and peripherals, but Tiff’s desk is covered in hard-drive enclosures. She’s using an X25-M SSD in a Firewire 800 enclosure as a boot drive, since the iMac’s internal hard drive is too slow. She’s using a pair of 1 TB disks in RAID-0 as primary storage, in another Firewire 800 enclosure daisy-chained to the SSD’s, because the iMac’s internal hard drive is too small. And she has another 2 TB external USB disk for Time Machine.

My Mac Pro has 4 internal hard-drive bays, so I don’t need any enclosures except for the occasional off-site backup disk. All of my disks are faster, quieter, and more reliable because they’re in directly connected, well-ventilated internal bays. And each one was cheaper, because I didn’t need to buy an enclosure to go around it. If I need more disks, I can add a PCI-Express eSATA card to connect an external enclosure at full speed.

Tiff’s iMac is maxed out at 4 GB of RAM, which is part of the reason she needed an SSD. My Mac Pro has had 6 GB for its entire life so far, and if I needed more, I could add another 4 GB for just $150 or spend more as needed to install up to 32 GB.

When we replace Tiff’s iMac, the excellent 24” monitor that’s built into it will need to be replaced, too. When we eventually replace my Mac Pro, I’ll be able to keep my monitors. (Possibly with an adapter, if the port has changed by then.)

If I splurge on an internal SSD, I can bring that with me to any future computers. If the iMac had an internal SSD, it would likely depart with the iMac to wherever its new home was.

And if we sold our computers, I’d get much more money for mine. My friend recently sold his single-socket, 2.0 GHz Mac Pro for just over $900 on Craigslist with local pickup. It cost about $2000 new… in 2006. A quick search indicates that we’d be lucky to get $600 for Tiff’s iMac (assuming we’d keep the external disks).

Especially because that excellent 24” monitor stuck inside of it is starting to flake out. And it’s out of warranty. When that monitor dies, the computer is worth almost nothing.

While the Mac Pro costs a lot more up front, high-performance users also get a lot more value and versatility over its lifespan, which is likely to be much longer and end much more gracefully.

p.s.
... The old 30” Cinema Display, which cost $1799 with the same horizontal resolution, slightly more vertical resolution, and much worse response time, contrast, and image quality, has just been effectively replaced with a $999 monitor that’s far nicer.

It is glass, though, which kinda sucks. But I think I might just deal with it for a monitor this good. (The Dell U2711 with what’s probably the same 27” LG panel is slightly more money and comes in matte, but has received mediocre reviews, and looks like it’s trying to be ugly. And I’ve had terrible luck with Dell monitor quality in the last two years.)...
 
Is it smartest to go with the minimum amount of RAM offered with an iMac and then buy more elsewhere? If so, where should I buy more RAM?
 
Blackface said:
From What I read the high-end new Imacs will have 5770's. They can run every and any game on the market worth playing.

Not at the displays native resolution and driver support for the gpus in the iMac have been terrible. If gaming is a primary use of the computer the person should not be buying a iMac.
 
bridegur said:
Is it smartest to go with the minimum amount of RAM offered with an iMac and then buy more elsewhere? If so, where should I buy more RAM?
Yes, get extra RAM from newegg or someplace like that.
 
fizzelopeguss said:
Yes it does. they've made a beautiful monitor with an impressive panel yet barely anyone can make use of it because of the shitty inputs.

It's dumb in anyones language, everytime i walk into pcworld i'm in awe at their displays yet i won't buy one simply because i CANNOT make use of it.
Dude, you can't make use of a monitor? Are you dumb or something? I and many others have a single use of a monitor in our houses: to connect to a computer. If I want all crazy other stuff connected I go to my Sony TV

Is that not what Apple have supplied? Can you not connect it to your Apple machine? If you want to connect a Blueray player seriously buy a fucking TV and sit the required distance to view native 1080p movies, if you want to connect a ps3 to it, use the same damn tv you bought for the blueray player. Is it not hard to see why a computer desktop monitor is used for just computers?
 
Mecha_Infantry said:
Is that not what Apple have supplied? Can you not connect it to your Apple machine? If you want to connect a Blueray player seriously buy a fucking TV and sit the required distance to view native 1080p movies, if you want to connect a ps3 to it, use the same damn tv you bought for the blueray player. Is it not hard to see why a computer desktop monitor is used for just computers?
Why should I be forced to buy a TV and a monitor? My current monitor has three inputs. DVI, VGA, and HDMI. Guess what, I use my Mac Mini on it, as well as my PC on it, and I can also use it for playing my 360 or PS3 (I can even use it to watch Blu Rays). It is in my bedroom and even though it is my computer desktop monitor it isn't just used for computers.
 
Waku said:
Looks like the 5750 is actually a 5850 Mobility?

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=978676

Opinonate away.

They cover it pretty well. A mobility 5850 uses the same chip as a desktop 5750 with slightly lower clocks. It'll be about a 10% boost in performance though the extra RAM could tell in some games.

So +10% performance + 512MB VRAM +DX11 + less heat = a welcome but underwhelming upgrade.

Edit: Can't believe anyone is defending the lack of inputs on the 27" Cinema display. SMH.
 
rhfb said:
Why should I be forced to buy a TV and a monitor? My current monitor has three inputs. DVI, VGA, and HDMI. Guess what, I use my Mac Mini on it, as well as my PC on it, and I can also use it for playing my 360 or PS3 (I can even use it to watch Blu Rays). It is in my bedroom and even though it is my computer desktop monitor it isn't just used for computers.

If you appreciate not having family and friends squashed around a 27" monitor then maybe you should know why you should get a TV and monitor...

I can't believe I'm arguing why a TV > monitor for non PC usage
 
rhfb said:
Why should I be forced to buy a TV and a monitor? My current monitor has three inputs. DVI, VGA, and HDMI. Guess what, I use my Mac Mini on it, as well as my PC on it, and I can also use it for playing my 360 or PS3 (I can even use it to watch Blu Rays). It is in my bedroom and even though it is my computer desktop monitor it isn't just used for computers.
So don’t buy an Apple Cinema Display.
 
brain_stew said:
They cover it pretty well. A mobility 5850 uses the same chip as a desktop 5750 with slightly lower clocks. It'll be about a 10% boost in performance though the extra RAM could tell in some games.

So +10% performance + 512MB VRAM +DX11 + less heat = a welcome but underwhelming upgrade.

Edit: Can't believe anyone is defending the lack of inputs on the 27" Cinema display. SMH.
And in comparison to the 5670?
 
fireside said:
So don’t buy an Apple Cinema Display.
I won't. Are you seriously defending not including one or two more inputs???

And I wouldn't have friends and family over to watch movies or tv in my bedroom/office on a 27" monitor, BUT if you wanted to why would it be a bad thing?
 
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