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[Beth Cyra]

There is abit of cheese in the video I will admit, but nothing overly bad even at it's worst moment and I found it to be very enjoyable for the most part.

I was really happy to finally hear Samus's own thoughts about what had come before.

I just wish there had been a Prime 1/2/3 section. Well really I wish there had been a fusion section but I know it takes place afterwords so eh I can understand it not making an appereance.

 

[Easy_D]

There is abit of cheese in the video I will admit, but nothing overly bad even at it's worst moment and I found it to be very enjoyable for the most part.

I was really happy to finally hear Samus's own thoughts about what had come before.

I just wish there had been a Prime 1/2/3 section. Well really I wish there had been a fusion section but I know it takes place afterwords so eh I can understand it not making an appereance.

You'd think killing a dark clone of yourself would warrant some sort of reflection from Samus' side but I'd guess the Prime games won't be acknowledged at all.

 

[Penguin]

I think the video was only recapping the franchise for new players.

I don't expect that to be in the actual game.

 

[Beth Cyra]

You'd think killing a dark clone of yourself would warrant some sort of reflection from Samus' side but I'd guess the Prime games won't be acknowledged at all.

Well to be honest I wouldn't want them wasteing that on Prime 1/2/3, I love me Prime 3. But Dark Samus is a sorry bitch compared to the awesome that is SA-X and I rather that kinda talk be saved for her.

 

[BikoBiko]

Of course I just watched the shitty cam version of this on YouTube :lol Rewatching again in all its high resolution glory!

 

[EmCeeGramr]

I just wish there had been a Prime 1/2/3 section. Well really I wish there had been a fusion section but I know it takes place afterwords so eh I can understand it not making an appereance.

It would be kinda weird.

"Oh yeah, and there was a weird period in between those first two ones. Ridley was a robot and there was this purple vein goo and a giant Metroid that wasn't a Metroid, and moth people, and ghosts."

 

[MechaX]

I dunno. The biggest impacts that took place in the Prime games were that a dark version of Samus ended up fucking things up across planets and dimensions and the Federation actually started to kick Space Pirate ass for I think is the first time. I was at least expecting her to go on a little short tangent about the trilogy, but I guess not.

 

[Beth Cyra]

It would be kinda weird.

"Oh yeah, and there was a weird period in between those first two ones. Ridley was a robot and there was this purple vein goo and a giant Metroid that wasn't a Metroid, and moth people, and ghosts."

Maybe, still I think there was more then enough stuff to use that they could of worked something in to atleast say hey yeah, we count these as well.

Like have her mention how she learned more about those that who raised her when she found their home planet of Tallon IV, or how she was forced to call into question her own thoughts about the Metroid's being destroyed when she experinced being transported to the world of Dark Aether.

Not anything but but something to small would of been nice is all.

 

[Boney]

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[EmCeeGramr]

Maybe, still I think there was more then enough stuff to use that they could of worked something in to atleast say hey yeah, we count these as well.

Like have her mention how she learned more about those that who raised her when she found their home planet of Tallon IV, or how she was forced to call into question her own thoughts about the Metroid's being destroyed when she experinced being transported to the world of Dark Aether.

Not anything but but something to small would of been nice is all.

The Chozo's home planet was Zebes.

 

[Beth Cyra]

The Chozo's home planet was Zebes.

Eh, well I can't remember things clearly if you couldn't tell. But the fact remains that there was a ton of Chozo Lore on Tallon IV which would have been more then enough to warrent Samus mentioning the planet when talking about them.

 

[Beth Cyra]

It's just gaijin abortions for Sakamoto. (He states they are high quility titles, but not true Metroid games)

I was not aware of this. I know he has said in the past that they where high quality, but I never knew he flat said they wheren't true Metroid games.

 

[SpacePirate Ridley]

It's just gaijin abortions for Sakamoto. (He states they are high quility titles, but not true Metroid games)

Not true sounds too harsh.
He says they are different metroid experiences, which is true.

 

[Boney]

Not true sounds too harsh.
He says they are different metroid experiences, which is true.

Yeah, I was going by recollection, and I was sure it was from the Iwata asks. Do you remember where it's from?

Yeah I could be exagerating on the quote.

 

[Poyunch]

I was not aware of this. I know he has said in the past that they where high quality, but I never knew he flat said they wheren't true Metroid games.

Well there's obviously storylines within the Metroid series. I don't mean like Zelda's split timeline but basically you have the story of the Prime games and the story of the other games.

There's really no need mentioning them. Even though they do appear in the same universe and are in the timeline of events they don't have any impact to the story the non-Prime games are telling.

Prime's story was a like a mini story arc that branched from the overarching story.

 

[heringer]

I was not aware of this. I know he has said in the past that they where high quality, but I never knew he flat said they wheren't true Metroid games.

He never flat out said that though, but you can kinda get the vibe that he doesn't consider the Prime games canon.

 

[heringer]

Well there's obviously storylines within the Metroid series. I don't mean like Zelda's split timeline but basically you have the story of the Prime games and the story of the other games.

There's really no need mentioning them. Even though they do appear in the same universe and are in the timeline of events they don't have any impact to the story the non-Prime games are telling.

Prime's story was a like a mini story arc that branched from the overarching story.

While they don't have an inpact on the events of the non-Prime games, they would have a big impact on Samus herself. Since the whole point of Other M is to know Samus feelings and what she's been through, it's very odd that she wouldn't aknowledge what happened with her in the Prime games.

 

[Beth Cyra]

Well there's obviously storylines within the Metroid series. I don't mean like Zelda's split timeline but basically you have the story of the Prime games and the story of the other games.

There's really no need mentioning them. Even though they do appear in the same universe and are in the timeline of events they don't have any impact to the story the non-Prime games are telling.

Prime's story was a like a mini story arc that branched from the overarching story.

Thats fair, and it's not like I am really asking for them in game, I was talking specifically in a trailer that showed of the events leading up to Other M that went out of it's way to break the forth wall by showing the systems we played them on and even the box arts.

 

[TunaLover]

Now I'm really excited for the game, they will show Samus like a human being, GAF to be damned :lol.

I'm sorry but I'm not with GAF hivermind this time =(

 

[∀ Narayan]

Do they not address the Prime games as canon? A shame if true. But I suppose it's reasonable since they were really just side-stories.

 

[sfried]

Now I'm really excited for the game, they will show Samus like a human being, GAF to be damned :lol.

I'm sorry but I'm not with GAF hivermind this time =(

THIS. This is the sentiment I share.

Screw(attack) the purists! I want to see the Samus backstory. I know there is appeal to her ambiguous background, but even the Super Metroid comic made by Benimaru Itoh are considered armcannon.

 

[Beth Cyra]

Do they not address the Prime games as canon? A shame if true. But I suppose it's reasonable since they were really just side-stories.

I wonder if it is just Sakamoto that doesn't. After all Retro's Metroid was the one played up as they announced the Wii and they continue to hold the team that didn't quite because they didn't get their way (rumor of course) and handed what remainded DKC.

They could of just as easily given it to someone else and it is their oldest franchise outside of Game and Watch.

 

[DancingJesus]

Now I'm really excited for the game, they will show Samus like a human being, GAF to be damned :lol.

I'm sorry but I'm not with GAF hivermind this time =(

Yeah I dunno, story isn't exactly Nintendo's forte.

I really wish they would limit the amount of dialogue in this game. Metroid is about isolation and Samus talking to everyone takes away from that aspect. It was more interesting to learn about the world through logs or what have you because it only added to the otherworldly atmosphere. Not to mention from what I've heard in cutscenes - it sounds incredibly cheesy.

Guess this game just isn't for me.

 

[Beth Cyra]

Yeah I dunno, story isn't exactly Nintendo's forte.

I really wish they would limit the amount of dialogue in this game. Metroid is about isolation and Samus talking to everyone takes away from that aspect. It was more interesting to learn about the world through logs or what have you because it only added to the otherworldly atmosphere.

Guess this game just isn't for me.

Yeah, no.

Reading a bunch of text was no way as enjoyable, considering it wasn't enjoyable in the first place.

Also for all those people that have said this, we now have like 8 games with Samus being aloner off doing things on her own, how many times does she have to be alone before you allow her to be around other people for a game or two?

I mean do you really expect her to never interact with any humans during any of the games? It just doesn't make any sense, even less so when we know that she has ties to the Federation.

 

[Boney]

Yeah I dunno, story isn't exactly Nintendo's forte.

Except they are the only ones that've made a story actually worth a damn with the Mother series...

 

[DancingJesus]

Yeah, no.

Reading a bunch of text was no way as enjoyable, considering it wasn't enjoyable in the first place.

Also for all those people that have said this, we now have like 8 games with Samus being aloner off doing things on her own, how many times does she have to be alone before you allow her to be around other people for a game or two?

I mean do you really expect her to never interact with any humans during any of the games? It just doesn't make any sense, even less so when we know that she has ties to the Federation.

Just because you want a change of pace you want to mess with the essence of what makes Metroid - Metroid? There are plenty of games that offer space combat with buddies in the sky, this shouldn't be one of them. Secondly, I wouldn't have near as much of a problem with this idea if the voice acting was actually well done. Sadly, it sounds like a second rate anime dub.

 

[robor]

Yea I just can't imagine Samus' VA any other way. I feel it perfectly illustrates the type of person she is behind that visor, and ironically, she still comes across as distant and isolated as if it were like the previous games where her personality is with drawn from the player. She sounds like a mega introvert, which makes perfect sense regarding what Ridley did to her at 3 years of age on K-2L. That'll fuck anybody up.

 

[Beth Cyra]

Just because you want a change of pace you want to mess with the essence of what makes Metroid - Metroid? There are plenty of games that offer space combat with buddies in the sky, this shouldn't be one of them. Secondly, I wouldn't have near as much of a problem with this idea if the voice acting was actually well done. Sadly, it sounds like a second rate anime dub.

You don't get to chose what makes Metroid, Metroid and as far as Sakamoto seems to think you are wrong.

And given he is the man that brought Metroid Fusion, I am more then willing to follow him on Metroid Other M.

Also, I can't believe people are trying to say that the logs where good, they where boring and really dry.

That and I remember when I tried to say that the writing in the short stories for LO where better then in game and yet was trashed becaues everyone couldn't stop saying how you shouldn't to read when playing a game. Walk over the the Metroid Fan base and this is the only kinda shit they want, well accept it has worse writing.

 

[Shikamaru Ninja]

Yeah I dunno, story isn't exactly Nintendo's forte.

Metroid: Other M has an interesting story. Whether the English dialogue may be overly analyzed or quickly misconstrued into being cheesy or awkward, it doesn't take away from the fact that Sakamoto is a creative and visual guy. He has always been, if you look at the tons of Japan only Nintendo games he has been involved with. I mean, comparing Metroid: Other M's intriguing and nonsensical story to Mario or Yoshi, or even the rhetorical and sometimes childish Zelda is uhmm ridiculous.

Nintendo is one of the first developers to ever incorporate storylines into video games. Detective Club 1, Detective Club 2, Niho Makayama Tokimeki High School, Fire Emblem all on the Famicom.

It's just that those games weren't exactly US friendly from Nintendo's point of view back then. Obviously, all we got were the less-story based games. And subsequently, those exact same games became the iconic HUGE international Nintendo franchises. So 30 Marios, Yoshis, Warios, and Zeldas later.. Nintendo is still leaving a lot of story based games in Japan only. Card Hero, XenoBlade, Day of Disaster, "Last Story"?

 

[Beth Cyra]

Metroid: Other M has an interesting story. Whether the English dialogue may be overly analyzed or quickly misconstrued into being cheesy or awkward, it doesn't take away from the fact that Sakamoto is a creative and visual guy. He has always been, if you look at the tons of Japan only Nintendo games he has been involved with. I mean, comparing Metroid: Other M's intriguing and nonsensical story to Mario or Yoshi, or even the rhetorical and sometimes childish Zelda is uhmm ridiculous.

Nintendo is one of the first developers to ever incorporate storylines into video games. Detective Club 1, Detective Club 2, Niho Makayama Tokimeki High School, Fire Emblem all on the Famicom.

It's just that those games weren't exactly US friendly from Nintendo's point of view back then. Obviously, all we got were the less-story based games. And subsequently, those exact same games became the iconic HUGE international Nintendo franchises. So 30 Marios, Yoshis, Warios, and Zeldas later.. Nintendo is still leaving a lot of story based games in Japan only. Card Hero, XenoBlade, Day of Disaster, "Last Story"?

The first is bad enough, don't curse The Last Story as well.

 

[Boney]

Nintendo is still leaving a lot of story based games in Japan only. Card Hero, XenoBlade, Day of Disaster, "Last Story"?

Like an arrow going through my heart...

Does that mean Xenoblade isn't coming to an english audience?

 

[DancingJesus]

You don't get to chose what makes Metroid, Metroid and as far as Sakamoto seems to think you are wrong.

And given he is the man that brought Metroid Fusion, I am more then willing to follow him on Metroid Other M.

Also, I can't believe people are trying to say that the logs where good, they where boring and really dry.

That and I remember when I tried to say that the writing in the short stories for LO where better then in game and yet was trashed becaues everyone couldn't stop saying how you shouldn't to read when playing a game. Walk over the the Metroid Fan base and this is the only kinda shit they want, well accept it has worse writing.

You just said "We now have like 8 games with Samus being aloner off doing things on her own", wouldn't you constitute as something institutional to the franchise? What makes the one game - Metroid Fusion ( which didn't have lame voice acting ), supersede the other eight that came before it and after it. You are going in circles here. Sorry that I'm not another blind Sakamoto dick sucker.

 

[robor]

You just said "We now have like 8 games with Samus being aloner off doing things on her own", wouldn't you constitute as something institutional to the franchise? What makes the one game - Metroid Fusion ( which didn't have lame voice acting ), supersede the other eight that came before it and after it. You are going in circles here. Sorry that I'm not another blind Sakamoto dick sucker.

Man that was way too easy wasn't it? Felt good didn't it?

 

[Beth Cyra]

You just said "We now have like 8 games with Samus being aloner off doing things on her own", wouldn't you constitute as something institutional to the franchise? What makes the one game - Metroid Fusion ( which didn't have lame voice acting ), supersede the other eight that came before it and after it. You are going in circles here. Sorry that I'm not another blind Sakamoto dick sucker.

Uh, I brought up Fusion because I think that is his best work, there for I trust him coming off that game nothing more.

Also if you don't care about Sakamoto being at the helm what did you come into this thread for?

The story aspect of Other M has been known about for a long time, as well as it being taken back by Sakamoto and Team Ninja. So if you don't care about any of this then why come in here?

Also I disagree with the Voice Acting being bad. It is awkward, but given Samus's character it works.

As for the 8 games, tell me how many time does Samus have to be alone before you let her have a story? As it stands it is likely that given how we keep hearing how well it plays that the characters won't get in the way of game play, so all you have is the story stuff.

Why not mute or skip the cutscenes? That way you can just imagine there is no story so it stays in line with your defenition of what Metroid should be?

 

[Nessus]

You just said "We now have like 8 games with Samus being aloner off doing things on her own", wouldn't you constitute as something institutional to the franchise? What makes the one game - Metroid Fusion ( which didn't have lame voice acting ), supersede the other eight that came before it and after it. You are going in circles here. Sorry that I'm not another blind Sakamoto dick sucker.

I think the bigger problem is you've already decided without having played the game yet.

From the early info Corruption seemed like it was going to be Samus And Her Shitty Friends and went in a completely different direction after the first 10 minutes, a very traditional, isolated feel for the vast majority of the game.

We just don't know yet exactly how much the story is going to negate the sense of isolation in Other M.

Other M could end up being horrible, but I'd rather wait until someone's actually played it to completion before making that call.

 

[DancingJesus]

Man that was way too easy wasn't it? Felt good didn't it?

No, it just flabbergasts me that people justify every decision this man makes. Even when they inherently go against everything the series stood for before it.

I don't mind that you enjoy story in your Metroid. I think that's fine and great, but what is displayed in Metroid Other M is very amateurish and detracts from the game itself.

I think the bigger problem is you've already decided without having played the game yet.

From the early info Corruption seemed like it was going to be Samus And Her Shitty Friends and went in a completely different direction after the first 10 minutes, a very traditional, isolated feel for the vast majority of the game.

We just don't know yet exactly how much the story is going to negate the sense of isolation in Other M.

Other M could end up being horrible, but I'd rather wait until someone's actually played it to completion before making that call.

I'm not basing my view of the game off one video, I've been following it for a while and all the previews have pointed towards a story focused game. The Gametrailers preview specifically talked about how many cutscenes there are in the game.

Also if you don't care about Sakamoto being at the helm what did you come into this thread for?

Because I care about Metroid? I love the series, absolutely adore it. I just am not a fan of the new direction I'm seeing.

 

[Beth Cyra]

No, it just flabbergasts me that people justify every decision this man makes. Even when they inherently go against everything the series stood for before it.

I don't mind that you enjoy story in your Metroid. I think that's fine and great, but what is displayed in Metroid Other M is very amateurish and detracts from the game itself.

Now this shit is just trolling. No one has been completely in touch with Sakamoto.

Just read this thread alone, many people where very concerend about his decision to let Team Ninja make a 3D game and yet keep the Wii mote as the main control method, myself included.

You just chose to ignore the fact that there has been story surronding Metroid, that it has been canon and would eventaully make it into the games.

Also my support of story has nothing to do with Sakamoto specifically I have supported Retro's attempt at it with Prime 3 all along.

The only thing reason people bring up Sakamoto is because the man works hard and delivers good titles, so some of us are willing to give what he has a shot, know one is passing judgement and saying that the story will be good, some of us are happy he is trying.

That and as said your judgement that it is bad and takes away from the game with out playing it and saying it as some kind of fact is far worse then those of us who will play it and judge for ourselves whethre or not it is good.

 

[Shikamaru Ninja]

i still don't understand what people are complaining about Metroid: Other M having a story. We all played Fusion right... I mean is there any secret where the Metroid team was going as far as direction? For the new generation of Metroid "fans", Prime 3 also had a HALO esque story line that lacked ANYTYPE OF CREATIVITY whatsoever. For every weird bit of Japanglish dialogue Metroid: Other M has, at least the scenario presented is intriguing. And not a bunch of marines jabbering about dark samus. (creativity of 0 there)

And Metroid is not defined by "being alone". That sounds more like Silent Hill. A game where your solitary confinement ultimately builds the horror. Metroid is more importantly about running 100 miles per hour through a stage while doing electro charged flips and and shooting missiles while landing on small tight platforms. THAT'S METROID. More than anything else in my opinion. That is the essence of gameplay. The core mechanic.

The scenario itself. Has always been subject to change. Metroid 1. Metroid 2. Metroid Fusion. All radically different. All from the core Metroid team.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Wow

Meltdowns in the Other M thread.

I figured that would at least wait for the game to be out.

 

[Beth Cyra]

i still don't understand what people are complaining about Metroid: Other M having a story. We all played Fusion right... I mean is there any secret where the Metroid team was going as far as direction? For the new generation of Metroid "fans", Prime 3 also had a HALO esque story line that lacked ANYTYPE OF CREATIVITY whatsoever. For every weird bit of Japanglish dialogue Metroid: Other M has, at least the scenario presented is intriguing. And not a bunch of marines jabbering about dark samus. (creativity of 0 there)

And Metroid is not defined by "being alone". That sounds more like Silent Hill. A game where your solitary confinement ultimately builds the horror. Metroid is more importantly about running 100 miles per hour through a stage while doing electro charged flips and and shooting missiles while landing on small tight platforms. THAT'S METROID. More than anything else in my opinion. That is the essence of gameplay. The core mechanic.

The scenario itself. Has always been subject to change. Metroid 1. Metroid 2. Metroid Fusion. All radically different. All from the core Metroid team.

Crazily enough, SA-X was more terriying to me then anything I have ever encountered in a Silent Hill or Resident Evil.

 

[TreIII]

Because I care about Metroid? I love the series, absolutely adore it. I just am not a fan of the new direction I'm seeing.

It's not so much a "new" direction, though. We were pretty much hinted a while ago that the kind of story-telling that we saw in Fusion is what we're going to see here, as well. Just with CG and actual voice acting being a part of the story-telling mixture this time around.

If that's the "worst" we can expect, I'd be completely fine with that. The main thing I didn't like about Fusion was so much in the way of hand-holding. They steer clear of that and I'm good.

 

[Boney]

What is a good videogame story?

*prepares for SOTN reference*

 

[Deleted member 30609]

No, I get it. Some people like trip-line anime cutscenes in video games and some people like big, trendy, immersive worlds like Metroid Prime and Super Metroid.

I'm glad they're finally making a game to cater to the former.

 

[robor]

No, it just flabbergasts me that people justify every decision this man makes. Even when they inherently go against everything the series stood for before it.

I don't mind that you enjoy story in your Metroid. I think that's fine and great, but what is displayed in Metroid Other M is very amateurish and detracts from the game itself.

Well from my standpoint Sakamoto IS one of my fav game designers as much as Bertrand Blier is one of my favorite film directors. They consistently push for things that resonate with me. Am I saying that Sakamoto makes flawless games? No, but the flaws a very minor to me.

There is nothing inherently contradictory about this game and the games before it. If you look at the series as a whole, you can see that the progression of narrative has only grown stronger and stronger. I am actually flabbergasted that people see this new game as some sort detraction from the series in quality when it seems obvious to me that it fits exceptionally well progressively.

 

[Beth Cyra]

What is a good videogame story?

*prepares for SOTN reference*

Good? I don't think we have really had one.

Enjoyable however is verry subjective and I have ejoyed or even loved several.

 

[DancingJesus]

I think you may be misinterpreting what I'm saying. I don't mind that there is story in Metroid. That's cool and I think mostly all games should try and strive for that. What I do have a problem with however, is how they went about TELLING that story. One common thread throughout all Metroid's is isolation. That uneasy feeling that something just isn't right. You can tell a beautiful story of Samus embarking on a mission on her own. Just look at the book I Am Legend as a reference.

The main problem I have, is that the voice acting we have heard, is very stilted and dis-jointed. Now, you may claim that Samus is just an awkward traumatized character, but you can still convey that same personality with good acting. I'm not asking for Oscar performances, but even to the level of Final Fantasy would be nice.

So you see, I'm not trying to troll. I just disagree with how they are going about with the series.

No, I get it. Some people like trip-line anime cutscenes in video games and some people like big, trendy, immersive worlds like Metroid Prime and Super Metroid.

I'm glad they're finally making a game to cater to the former.

Thank you, that's exactly what I was trying to convey.

 

[Jangaroo]

What is a good videogame story?

*prepares for SOTN reference*

Anything with the words Planescape and Torment in them.

 

[MechaX]

Crazily enough, SA-X was more terriying to me then anything I have ever encountered in a Silent Hill or Resident Evil.

While SA-X is pretty creepy and the RE games are more comedy than anything else, what Silent Hill games did you play?

 

[Beth Cyra]

While SA-X is pretty creepy and the RE games are more comedy than anything else, what Silent Hill games did you play?

I only played a part of Silent Hill 1, Homecoming and I really loved Silent Hill Shattered Memories but it was more of a mind fuck then horror title.

That said I watched someone play 2 (did play a part of two but I didn't enjoy it much. Probably didn't get it enough time to take to be fair.), and 4 but I don't think you can really judge them from just watching, you really got to be the one in control them to get the full effect.

 

[Ericescobar15]

I wouldn't be surprised if there is some super sexy lead-in to Fusion.