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[robor]

No, I get it. Some people like trip-line anime cutscenes in video games and some people like big, trendy, immersive worlds like Metroid Prime and Super Metroid.

I'm glad they're finally making a game to cater to the former.

Yea, because anime is the first thing this game should be referenced to and anything outside of Prime and Super isn't considered to have big immersible worlds.

I'm glad to see that we have finally found what it is about those who disregard the above to be completely out of touch with the series.

 

[Boney]

Anything with the words Planescape and Torment in them.

Reminds me I have to give this one a go.

Surprise Vagrant Story attack!

This one as well, but it looks so ugly today

 

[Fimbulvetr]

What is a good videogame story?

*prepares for SOTN reference*

Surprise Vagrant Story attack!

 

[SpacePirate Ridley]

Wow

Meltdowns in the Other M thread.

I figured that would at least wait for the game to be out.

I think the other m threads have always meltdowns. Remember the threads that were closed :lol

 

[Beth Cyra]

I think the other m threads have always meltdowns. Remember the threads that were closed :lol

Hey at least this time it wasn't about how Samus looks. It might be the low point of the Metroid Fanbase to have a Gaf thread locked becaue people where fighting over her nose of all things.

 

[DancingJesus]

Yea, because anime is the first thing this game should be referenced to and anything outside of Prime and Super isn't considered to have big immersible worlds.

I'm glad to see that we have finally found what it is about those who disregard the above to be completely out of touch with this series.

Is everything an insult to you? Relax, nothing is personal.

Just read what I said and we can agree to disagree.

 

[Beth Cyra]

Is everything an insult to you? Relax, nothing is personal.

Just read what I said and we can agree to disagree.

You didn't really keep it on a higher level when you brought up sucking Sakamoto's cock either.

 

[Deleted member 30609]

Yea, because anime is the first thing this game should be referenced to and anything outside of Prime and Super isn't considered to have big immersible worlds.

I'm glad to see that we have finally found what it is about those who disregard the above to be completely out of touch with this series.

I see words but I'm having trouble reading sentences.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

Wow

Meltdowns in the Other M thread.

I figured that would at least wait for the game to be out.

Dude, it's been one long meltdown for several months now. Right now we've started boiling a bit, but it's in the official thread it'll overflow over the top.

 

[Shin Johnpv]

I'm saddened and disappointed that Sakamoto would not consider the Prime games canon. For me personally, the first Prime game is the very epitome of Metroid in 3D and easily my favorite game in the series.

I have to agree with others, that video should have included some kind of reference to the Prime games. It's like a slap in the face to the folks at Retro for all their hard and AMAZING work on those 3 games.

 

[Boney]

I just... sigh... hopefully the official thread will be full of reunions and forgiveness

 

[legend166]

Holy crap people just wait until the game comes out.

 

[Kard8p3]

I just... sigh... hopefully the official thread will be full of reunions and forgiveness

Yeah lets hope. Last thing we need is an official thread full of arguing.

 

[DancingJesus]

I have a feeling this will get very mixed reviews. Some will absolutely love it, and others are going it hate it. :/

Well, when you go around calling people dick suckers they tend to believe you're the kind of person who likes to insult. :lol

I didn't mean it literally, I was saying it seemed like he was blindly following what he thought was right. I think people should make up their own my mind about what Metroid means to you. I explained thoroughly why I thought the changes were wrong on the previous page.

Moving on...

 

[heringer]

Is everything an insult to you? Relax, nothing is personal.

Just read what I said and we can agree to disagree.

Well, when you go around calling people cock suckers they tend to believe you're the kind of person who likes to insult. :lol

 

[Kard8p3]

Since GT doesn't seem to be playing the ad anymore the guy that saw that ad has given details about it.

it starts with samus walking down a street and seeing significant points of her life. it contains young samus being attacked by ridley (like in the pic). samus thumbing down adam malcovich (similer to the cgi trailer but using live actors) and eventually went into some gameplay.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Well, when you go around calling people cock suckers they tend to believe you're the kind of person who likes to insult. :lol

I call myself cock sucker all the time and I rarely complain.

 

[heringer]

I'm saddened and disappointed that Sakamoto would not consider the Prime games canon. For me personally, the first Prime game is the very epitome of Metroid in 3D and easily my favorite game in the series.

I have to agree with others, that video should have included some kind of reference to the Prime games. It's like a slap in the face to the folks at Retro for all their hard and AMAZING work on those 3 games.

Yeah, it is a slap in the face and people at Retro are probably a little pissed off about this, but I honestly think it's a good thing. I mean, it keep things clean and simple. The Prime games had some really batshit crazy stuff going on.

 

[Beth Cyra]

Yeah, it is a slap in the face and people at Retro are probably a little pissed off about this, but I honestly think it's a good thing. I mean, it keep things clean and simple. The Prime games had some really batshit crazy stuff going on.

Oh come on, there was nothing more bat shit insane about Prime 1/2/3 then Samus needing the the last of the Metroid's DNA to survive but taking it into her body made it so she needed a new suit all the while the X Parasite took on her old form so that it could tear shit up. <-- Yeah there was some stupid shit but you can't look me in the eye and tell me this is much better.

 

[heringer]

Oh come on, there was nothing more bat shit insane about Prime 1/2/3 then Samus needing the the last of the Metroid's DNA to survive but taking it into her body made it so she needed a new suit all the while the X Parasite took on her old form so that it could tear shit up. <-- Yeah there was some stupid shit but you can't look me in the eye and tell me this is much better.

Well, good thing Samus doesn't have to aknowledge the crazy stuff that is going to happen on Fusion. :lol

 

[Shikamaru Ninja]

Sakamoto acknowledged Metroid Prime in Metroid: Zero Mission. That is enough. I don't ever need to see Dark Samus and the light and dark world again.

 

[Beth Cyra]

Well, good thing Samus doesn't have to aknowledge the crazy stuff that is going to happen on Fusion. :lol

True, but there is no way we boot up Metroid Other M and have it listed as Metroid IV like Fusion there for making it non canon which is what people are having a problem with when it comes to the Prime games.

 

[Beth Cyra]

Sakamoto acknowledged Metroid Prime in Metroid: Zero Mission. That is enough. I don't ever need to see Dark Samus and the light and dark world again.

He also had something in game in Fusion as well didn't he? I never bothered with the unlockables to Prime and Fusion but I thought Prime got the Fusion suit and Fusion got something from Prime.

 

[DancingJesus]

Speak of the devil, GT just posted a retrospective in HD with Metroid Other M:

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/samus-aran-metroid-other/703051

 

[Beth Cyra]

Speak of the devil, GT just posted a retrospective in HD with Metroid Other M:

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/samus-aran-metroid-other/703051

Thats the video we have been talking about the whole time, or at least I thought it was.

 

[TreIII]

I'm saddened and disappointed that Sakamoto would not consider the Prime games canon. For me personally, the first Prime game is the very epitome of Metroid in 3D and easily my favorite game in the series.

I have to agree with others, that video should have included some kind of reference to the Prime games. It's like a slap in the face to the folks at Retro for all their hard and AMAZING work on those 3 games.

So then it would just be a thing that the Japanese audience would be at a complete loss, seeing how the majority of them likely never played the Prime games? :lol

To me, this is for the best. People who passed over or otherwise didn't play the Prime series don't have to be concerned with the things and other characters that were introduced.

 

[The Technomancer]

I would still rather have them experiment and possibly fail then adhere to the past and never truly produce a new experience. So far it seems like the things that I love about Metroid (scouring everywhere for secrets and passages, strong environmental design, Metroidvania level layout) is intact, so if they want to try and take liberties with combat or storytelling, all the more power to them. Did anyone really play Metroid for the combat?

Also, not considering the Prime games canon or influential is just stupid. Some serious shit went down in those games, stuff Samus would care about.

 

[Boney]

GT also did a great retrospective for Prime 3 launch.

http://www.gametrailers.com/game/the-metroid-retrospective/5261

Pretty sweet.

 

[Zoramon089]

No, I get it. Some people like trip-line anime cutscenes in video games and some people like big, trendy, immersive worlds like Metroid Prime and Super Metroid.

I'm glad they're finally making a game to cater to the former.

I literally facepalmed in real life...Metroid fans...that's all I can really say after reading your post. It literally makes so little sense that I'm left speechless

 

[Datschge]

No, it just flabbergasts me that people justify every decision this man makes.

Sakamoto needs no justification. He was involved in major positions in every 2D Metroid except Metroid 2, which incidentally showed him how the world of Samus can be used for story telling. Other M is a consequential continuation of exactly this.

 

[mantidor]

"codename: baby's cry"? really? :lol I think is going to be a good idea to mute the game in the cutscenes and put some old Metroid's soundtrack, even if it doesn't make sense it would still be more watchable than this.

And ignoring the Prime games is pretty tacky, no need for an extended explanation for this retrospective, but a simple mention would have been a nice touch.

So then it would just be a thing that the Japanese audience would be at a complete loss, seeing how the majority of them likely never played the Prime games? :lol

Right like if Metroid I, II and III were even popular there in the first place. If they made this perspective is precisely because japanese audiences are at loss with most of what Metroid is about.

 

[TreIII]

And ignoring the Prime games is pretty tacky, no need for an extended explanation for this retrospective, but a simple mention would have been a nice touch.

Again though...how do you account for the many (re: Japanese) players who likely have minimal exposure to the Prime series, at best?

"Yeah, now let's talk a bit about these series of adventures I had, that a portion of the fan base don't have any clue what I'm talking about..." :lol

 

[Zoramon089]

"codename: baby's cry"? really? :lol I think is going to be a good idea to mute the game in the cutscenes and put some old Metroid's soundtrack, even if it doesn't make sense it would still be more watchable than this.

A baby Metroid thinking Samus is its mom? Really? I don't see what's so laughable about it

 

[Datschge]

I'm saddened and disappointed that Sakamoto would not consider the Prime games canon.

Honestly though, why should he bother considering the Prime games canon? He basically brought and fleshed out the world of Samus, and all the story stuff used in Other M is likely coming a long way, having been in his mind in one way or another since when he started Super Metroid. I'm pretty sure he was actually rather miffed that the EAD people who directed Retro allowed them to freely build their of stories without consulting him. In general the R&D1 people weren't directly involved at all in the Prime games, with the two exceptions of the composer Yamamoto and the Samus model supervisor Yamane.

 

[Boney]

Again though...how do you account for the many (re: Japanese) players who likely have minimal exposure to the Prime series, at best?

"Yeah, now let's talk a bit about these series of adventures I had, that a portion of the fan base don't have any clue what I'm talking about..." :lol

don't forget it hasn't has anything to do with the overarching narrative.

 

[Deleted member 30609]

Again though...how do you account for the many (re: Japanese) players who likely have minimal exposure to the Prime series, at best?

"Yeah, now let's talk a bit about these series of adventures I had, that a portion of the fan base don't have any clue what I'm talking about..." :lol

just put out a manga and write a compelling cutscene ion cg with a despondent, yet emotionally compelling amazing VA to convey saka's visionary story

 

[DancingJesus]

Honestly though, why should he bother considering the Prime games canon? He basically brought and fleshed out the world of Samus, and all the story stuff used in Other M is likely coming a long way, having been in his mind in one way or another since when he started Super Metroid. I'm pretty sure he was actually rather miffed that the EAD people who directed Retro allowed them to freely build their of stories without consulting him. In general the R&D1 people weren't directly involved at all in the Prime games, with the two exceptions of the composer Yamamoto and the Samus model supervisor Yamane.

Because they were exceptionally well made games that deserve credit for pushing Metroid to new levels. This and the comment about Sakamoto needing no justification has me convinced that some of you will literally blindly defend anything this guy does. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid and make up your own mind. Is it really heresy to question something that is cherished to you? Why do you have to attack everyone who disagrees with you. The arrogance in this thread is astounding, I've never seen any group of individuals openly attack other fans like this just because they disagree with the new direction.

 

[Shin Johnpv]

Yeah, it is a slap in the face and people at Retro are probably a little pissed off about this, but I honestly think it's a good thing. I mean, it keep things clean and simple. The Prime games had some really batshit crazy stuff going on.

Ohhh please it's a Sci-Fi series, I mean shit one of your most hated enemies in it is a giant flying Dinosaur. Nothing that crazy really happened compared to the other games.

So then it would just be a thing that the Japanese audience would be at a complete loss, seeing how the majority of them likely never played the Prime games? :lol

Well that's their loss then. They really should have played the games. A good majority of current day games haven't played Metroid II or Super Metroid, I don't see them not including that. Cause it's some pretty dumb logic.

To me, this is for the best. People who passed over or otherwise didn't play the Prime series don't have to be concerned with the things and other characters that were introduced.

To me it's for the worst. The Prime series is part of what has brought Metroid back into the public's eye. It's their own fault for not playing the Prime series if they didn't know characters and other things that were introduced in it. We shouldn't retcon out an entire amazing series just cause some people didn't play it. That's horrible horrible logic.

The Metroid Prime series should have been included in that retrospective. The stories in those were better than the story in Fusion.

 

[mantidor]

A baby Metroid thinking Samus is its mom? Really? I don't see what's so laughable about it

Its retarded calling some random signal "baby's cry", will Samus now get sappy any time she hears a high pitch sound? their attempt at being emotional and deep is laughable. But I guess we can lower our standards in bad writing, and I know no one was expecting anything more than the bad quality we are used to for videogame stories. but this is really, really bad, like Uwe Boll level of bad.

 

[MechaX]

Honestly though, why should he bother considering the Prime games canon? He basically brought and fleshed out the world of Samus, and all the story stuff used in Other M is likely coming a long way, having been in his mind in one way or another since when he started Super Metroid. I'm pretty sure he was actually rather miffed that the EAD people who directed Retro allowed them to freely build their of stories without consulting him. In general the R&D1 people weren't directly involved at all in the Prime games, with the two exceptions of the composer Yamamoto and the Samus model supervisor Yamane.

Hey, Sakamoto can pretty much be like George Lucas in terms of trampling over the Star Wars Expanded Universe! (For better and for worse depending on the case).

If I was in his shoes, it would be more of a matter of curtsy than anything else coldly logical. If some one made a pretty well-made and pretty popular contribution to my established universe, the least I could do is at least acknowledge their efforts.

 

[heringer]

Why do you have to attack everyone who disagrees with you.

Ok, I will have to play the cock sucking card one more time.

 

[DancingJesus]

Its retarded calling some random signal "baby's cry", will Samus now get sappy any time she hears a high pitch sound? their attempt at being emotional and deep is laughable. But I guess we can lower our standards in bad writing, and I know no one was expecting anything more than the bad quality we are used to for videogame stories. but this is really, really bad, like Uwe Boll level of bad.

High five.

 

[Datschge]

Because they were exceptionally well made games that deserve credit for pushing Metroid to new levels. This and the comment about Sakamoto needing no justification has me convinced that some of you will literally blindly defend anything this guy does. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid and make up your own mind. Is it really heresy to question something that is cherished to you? Why do you have to attack everyone who disagrees with you. The arrogance in this thread is astounding, I've never seen any group of individuals openly attack other fans like this just because they disagree with the new direction.

Arrogance? This is Sakimoto/Team Ninja's game. Just like Primes were Retro's games. Just like DKCs were Rare's games. Just like DKCR is now Retro's game. This is business as usual. Where do you get your childish stuff from?

 

[Shin Johnpv]

Honestly though, why should he bother considering the Prime games canon? He basically brought and fleshed out the world of Samus, and all the story stuff used in Other M is likely coming a long way, having been in his mind in one way or another since when he started Super Metroid. I'm pretty sure he was actually rather miffed that the EAD people who directed Retro allowed them to freely build their of stories without consulting him. In general the R&D1 people weren't directly involved at all in the Prime games, with the two exceptions of the composer Yamamoto and the Samus model supervisor Yamane.

Except you're wrong here. Sakamoto was involved in the Metroid Prime games and told them what they could and couldn't do storyline wise.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=95708

Your association with Metroid is well documented. In terms of current projects, are you personally involved in the next GBA Metroid game and also Metroid Prime II?

Sakamoto: I think my involvement with Metroid Prime II is like my involvement with the first one - I am advising them as to what kind of flavour they have to adhere to, and the kind of storylines possible - Retro Studios comse up with the story and I say: "Yes, it's the kind of story that's consistent with previous Metroid games" or else: "No, it's got to be changed like this".

Of course, whenever Retro is working on the Metroid games I need to supervise; I'm the person who receives the reports, to find out what's going on and how the title is progressing.

Why the hell shouldn't they be considered Canon if their stories were approved by Sakamoto. He could have told them his plans for Other M or where he wanted to go with Samus.

Because they were exceptionally well made games that deserve credit for pushing Metroid to new levels. This and the comment about Sakamoto needing no justification has me convinced that some of you will literally blindly defend anything this guy does. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid and make up your own mind. Is it really heresy to question something that is cherished to you? Why do you have to attack everyone who disagrees with you. The arrogance in this thread is astounding, I've never seen any group of individuals openly attack other fans like this just because they disagree with the new direction.

Exactly. I have to fully back and agree with this.

 

[Zoramon089]

Its retarded calling some random signal "baby's cry", will Samus now get sappy any time she hears a high pitch sound? their attempt at being emotional and deep is laughable. But I guess we can lower our standards in bad writing, and I know no one was expecting anything more than the bad quality we are used to for videogame stories. but this is really, really bad, like Uwe Boll level of bad.

You know absolutely nothing about the story. Stop with the stupid generalizations and assumptions. Maybe it's called "baby's cry" specifically to target Samus? Because the person knows about Samus and the baby metroid and wants to purposefully attract her attention? Who knows. Comparing it to Uwe Boll is a level of bad I'd expect from 4chan trolls...

 

[_Alkaline_]

The Prime series is a side-story that doesn't really have much to do with the main storyline of the Metroid series.

Though they are undoubtably fantastic games, it's not such a big deal that Sakamoto doesn't acknowledge them much.

 

[Deleted member 30609]

you're right, at least Uwe Boll is self-aware.

 

[DancingJesus]

you're right, at least Uwe Boll is self-aware.

:lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oShTJ90fC34

 

[heringer]

The Prime series is a side-story that doesn't really have much to do with the main storyline of the Metroid series.

Though they are undoubtably fantastic games, it's not such a big deal that Sakamoto doesn't acknowledge them much.

Get your rational thinking out of here, foul beast! You don't belong in here!

 

[Kard8p3]

Its retarded calling some random signal "baby's cry", will Samus now get sappy any time she hears a high pitch sound? their attempt at being emotional and deep is laughable. But I guess we can lower our standards in bad writing, and I know no one was expecting anything more than the bad quality we are used to for videogame stories. but this is really, really bad, like Uwe Boll level of bad.

Did you miss the part of the video where they explain why the signal was called baby's cry? It explains that it's a common sos used to attract as much attention as possible thus it was nicknamed baby's cry. To say that the writing we've seen from this is a step lower than what we usually see is just ridiculous. There's been much worse than this.