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[Regulus Tera]

Eeew you watch that horrible show?

And what did you do with S&P cutscenes? Did you just skip 'em? Or went along for the ride?

I skipped them and when I got curious I watched them off youtube.

When there's a giant glowing "PRESS START TO SKIP" legend in every cutscene you kind of get the point that you should get back to action.

 

[Boney]

I skipped them and when I got curious I watched them off youtube.

When there's a giant glowing "PRESS START TO SKIP" legend in every cutscene you kind of get the point that you should get back to action.

You're crazy, they were hilarious!

But yeah, makes sense..

 

[Mr. B Natural]

Shoulda stuck with the cringe-worthy in game cutscenes then make a whole new cringe-worthy commercial with Stud McStuddsterston

 

[Boney]

THEY'RE GOING AFTER THE FEMALE MARKET BRO!

 

[OMG Aero]

I'm still not sure if Metroid Prime even was a Metroid. The Pirates seemed to just name it that because it was similar to one.

Metroid Prime was either a Metroid that was on Tallon IV when the leviathan hit the planet and became its guardian (Like the main bosses in MP3) or it was on the leviathan when it came from Phaaze.

In that very last room on Phaaze where you have to destroy the infant leviathan, Metroids are all over the place and there are some empty husks that look like Metroid Prime from the first Prime game. So either there were Metroids on Phaaze for some reason or Dark Samus brought them there.

Also, was the UK Commercial not posted?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHx_cckS4_U

This is how I look when I play video games.

 

[donny2112]

hey samus come talk with us about the metroid canon

oh

okay

Was taking a look at the September NPD period and Other M's release date, and Other M will be available for all five weeks in September's period. There's a chance it'll make the Top 10, if not the top 3 (Halo Reach would be combined). That would make for a good .GIF in the thread.

"Hey, Samus! Remember Metroid Prime Trilogy bombing?"

<Other M's sales>
.GIF

"Oh, okay."

Metroid Prime was either a Metroid that was on Tallon IV when the leviathan hit the planet and became its guardian (Like the main bosses in MP3) or it was on the leviathan when it came from Phaaze.

In that very last room on Phaaze where you have to destroy the infant leviathan, Metroids are all over the place and there are some empty husks that look like Metroid Prime from the first Prime game. So either there were Metroids on Phaaze for some reason or Dark Samus brought them there.

Maybe a Metroid escaped from the Pirates who brought them there and found a way to get into the central area after acquiring enough power (e.g. protective field meant to keep stuff in, not as strong keeping stuff out). Then it just grew there without a way out until Samus arrived.

 

[Boney]

Was taking a look at the September NPD period and Other M's release date, and Other M will be available for all five weeks in September's period. There's a chance it'll make the Top 10, if not the top 3 (Halo Reach would be combined). That would make for a good .GIF in the thread.

"Hey, Samus! Remember Metroid Prime Trilogy bombing?"

<Other M's sales>
.GIF

"Oh, okay."

You're the sales genius here, but do you really think it can crack the top 3? It'd make me very happy if it does though.

 

[Cygnus X-1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWJOV90hTkY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0ZBSkN7vss

Japanese dubbing is pretty good.

 

[donny2112]

You're the sales genius here,

No, that'd be Chris1964. I do a lot with predictions/tracking, but I've had some well-advertised misses, too.

but do you really think it can crack the top 3?

Haven't looked at what else is big that month. Halo Reach will be #1, without a doubt. Madden 360/PS3 second month could be up there. Metroid has the advantage of being available for the whole five weeks, disadvantage of being a core game on a Nintendo console (stigma), advantage of being a staple Nintendo character game on a Nintendo console, history of MP3 doing so-so with no advertising, MPT tanking, and the prospect of this one actually getting a decent push from Nintendo (ads 2 weeks before the game's released? Very unusual for Nintendo recently). If the 2-D, easy control nature can win out, it could do really well. Or it could follow MPTrilogy to the dumpster (in sales). It'll be one of the games we predict for in September, for sure, though.

 

[Poyunch]

How did Metroids even appear on Phaaze if the Chozo never visited it?

 

[Socreges]

hey samus come talk with us about the metroid canon

oh

okay

:lol

Maybe she'd be interested in discussing the aesthetic qualities of the various suits?

Spoiler

Where's that from, by the way?

 

[Poyunch]

:lol

Maybe she'd be interested in discussing the aesthetic qualities of the various suits?

Spoiler

Where's that from, by the way?

Echoes but obviously edited. If I remember correctly it's the ending of the game.

 

[DragonGirl]

How did Metroids even appear on Phaaze if the Chozo never visited it?

I don't figure for a moment that a meta plot was written for the Prime Trilogy, but it's not hard to retrofit a coherent story on the three games.

It all began when a Phazon meteorite hit Talon IV and began infesting the planet. Since Phaaze is a living world, it probably can fire off bits if itself to propagate. The Chozo sealed the meteorite up and forced it to go mostly dormant. The world slowly withered and the Chozo left or died there.

Enter the Space Pirates, evacuating their wrecked base on Zebes, they moved their remaining Metroids to Talon to continue breeding them. While there, they discovered Phazon and promptly started experimenting on it. One of their Metroid lab rats worked its way deep into the phazon mines where it was taken over by phazon and discovered in an advanced state of mutation and named Metroid Prime. Eventually it escaped the confines the Pirates tried to impose on it and made its way to the heart of the impact object from Phaaze. When Metroid Prime loses to Samus Aran, it absorbs her Phazon Suit and takes on a humanoid form.

Afterward it hitches a ride on a Pirate ship to Aether and takes advantage of the Phazon found there to gather power. It also begins to see the Space Pirates as useful minions and allies with them to take out Samus. While this alliance fails, it begins Metroid Prime's campaign to take over the easily lead Space Pirates, and uses their technology to further the spread of Phazon by replacing the simple Phaaze meteorites with Leviathan ships able to go further and faster and more efficiently corrupt a planet. Metroid Prime also transports large numbers of Metroids to Phaaze to make future use of these endlessly useful little monsters. As for the Metroid Prime shells seen on Phaaze, they were constructed with the intent of using the Metroids to make an army of Metroid Primes.

Or something like that.

 

[Boney]

No, that'd be Chris1964. I do a lot with predictions/tracking, but I've had some well-advertised misses, too.

Hehe, I know, that's THE sales genious. You're pretty much up there as well though.

Haven't looked at what else is big that month. Halo Reach will be #1, without a doubt. Madden 360/PS3 second month could be up there. Metroid has the advantage of being available for the whole five weeks, disadvantage of being a core game on a Nintendo console (stigma), advantage of being a staple Nintendo character game on a Nintendo console, history of MP3 doing so-so with no advertising, MPT tanking, and the prospect of this one actually getting a decent push from Nintendo (ads 2 weeks before the game's released? Very unusual for Nintendo recently). If the 2-D, easy control nature can win out, it could do really well. Or it could follow MPTrilogy to the dumpster (in sales). It'll be one of the games we predict for in September, for sure, though.

Well I'm not sure the ease of controls will really work, since it does look complex just by watching it. Metroid is a traditionally hardcore franchise, and those haven't done too good on Wii lately. Hoping it'll do good though.

 

[OMG Aero]

Several pieces of Chozo lore talk about the "Worm" and it's heavily implied to be Metroid Prime. If this is the case then Metroid Prime can't have anything to do with the Space Pirates since they got to the planet after the Chozo left/died.

Also that Samus gif is from a Metroid LP thread on Something Awful.

 

[The Technomancer]

I don't figure for a moment that a meta plot was written for the Prime Trilogy, but it's not hard to retrofit a coherent story on the three games.

It all began when a Phazon meteorite hit Talon IV and began infesting the planet. Since Phaaze is a living world, it probably can fire off bits if itself to propagate. The Chozo sealed the meteorite up and forced it to go mostly dormant. The world slowly withered and the Chozo left or died there.

Enter the Space Pirates, evacuating their wrecked base on Zebes, they moved their remaining Metroids to Talon to continue breeding them. While there, they discovered Phazon and promptly started experimenting on it. One of their Metroid lab rats worked its way deep into the phazon mines where it was taken over by phazon and discovered in an advanced state of mutation and named Metroid Prime. Eventually it escaped the confines the Pirates tried to impose on it and made its way to the heart of the impact object from Phaaze. When Metroid Prime loses to Samus Aran, it absorbs her Phazon Suit and takes on a humanoid form.

Afterward it hitches a ride on a Pirate ship to Aether and takes advantage of the Phazon found there to gather power. It also begins to see the Space Pirates as useful minions and allies with them to take out Samus. While this alliance fails, it begins Metroid Prime's campaign to take over the easily lead Space Pirates, and uses their technology to further the spread of Phazon by replacing the simple Phaaze meteorites with Leviathan ships able to go further and faster and more efficiently corrupt a planet. Metroid Prime also transports large numbers of Metroids to Phaaze to make future use of these endlessly useful little monsters. As for the Metroid Prime shells seen on Phaaze, they were constructed with the intent of using the Metroids to make an army of Metroid Primes.

Or something like that.

Yeah, but I literally just scanned Metroid Prime right now and it says that a.)its the source of Phazon and b.)that its equipped with a variety of biological and mechanical weapons. So it was probably there before the pirates, and it was augmented.

I'm inclined to believe that the Chozo were working with Metroids long before Samus' birth.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Enter the Space Pirates, evacuating their wrecked base on Zebes, they moved their remaining Metroids to Talon to continue breeding them. While there, they discovered Phazon and promptly started experimenting on it. One of their Metroid lab rats worked its way deep into the phazon mines where it was taken over by phazon and discovered in an advanced state of mutation and named Metroid Prime. Eventually it escaped the confines the Pirates tried to impose on it and made its way to the heart of the impact object from Phaaze.

Yeah, but I literally just scanned Metroid Prime right now and it says that a.)its the source of Phazon and b.)that its equipped with a variety of biological and mechanical weapons. So it was probably there before the pirates, and it was augmented.

The later versions of Prime 1 remove the references to Metroid Prime being captured and upgraded. It was retconned into the Pirates detecting something big inside the crater, but not being able to get to it due to the Chozo seal completely cutting off the meteor crash site from the rest of Tallon IV.

That and the Chozo on Tallon IV were essentially big smelly space hippies, and there's no reference to Metroids existing on the planet (except "the Great Worm" from inside the meteor) in any of their lore.

 

[mantidor]

I'm inclined to believe that the Chozo were working with Metroids long before Samus' birth.

Fusion's manual mentions that the Metroids were actually created by the Chozo, and that the world "metroid" means warrior. They were created to keep the X things under control.

 

[The Technomancer]

The later versions of Prime 1 remove the references to Metroid Prime being captured and upgraded. It was retconned into the Pirates detecting something big inside the crater, but not being able to get to it due to the Chozo seal completely cutting off the meteor crash site from the rest of Tallon IV.

That and the Chozo on Tallon IV were essentially big smelly space hippies, and there's no reference to Metroids existing on the planet (except "the Great Worm" from inside the meteor) in any of their lore.

Right, no, I scanned it in Trilogy, and it still says that Prime is the source of the Phazon. At the very least that means it was there before the pirates.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Right, no, I scanned it in Trilogy, and it still says that Prime is the source of the Phazon. At the very least that means it was there before the pirates.

Yeah I know. I was talking about the "augmented" part.

 

[DragonGirl]

Yeah, but I literally just scanned Metroid Prime right now and it says that a.)its the source of Phazon and b.)that its equipped with a variety of biological and mechanical weapons. So it was probably there before the pirates, and it was augmented.

I'm inclined to believe that the Chozo were working with Metroids long before Samus' birth.

Ahh yes, there are some interesting differences between the lore writings of Prime's original release and Trilogy re-release. You could think of it this way. The Phazon entity or "Worm" could have originated from Phaaze. It is described as incorporating weapons systems into itself so why not incorporate lifeforms, like Metroids, as well? In other words, the Phazon entity was already there, but didn't become Metroid Prime until the Space Pirates helpfully provided Metroids for it to assimilate.

 

[The Technomancer]

Ahh yes, there are some interesting differences between the lore writings of Prime's original release and Trilogy re-release. You could think of it this way. The Phazon entity or "Worm" could have originated from Phaaze. It is described as incorporating weapons systems into itself so why not incorporate lifeforms, like Metroids, as well? In other words, the Phazon entity was already there, but didn't become Metroid Prime until the Space Pirates helpfully provided Metroids for it to assimilate.

Hm, that actually sounds really really good.

 

[King Chozo]

Thanks for the new avatar btw.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Hm, that actually sounds really really good.

But... how did Metroids get in the crater? The Space Pirates couldn't breach the seal, and thus in all subsequent re-releases of Prime, they had to remove the references to it absorbing weapons systems.

 

[AceBandage]

But... how did Metroids get in the crater? The Space Pirates couldn't breach the seal, and thus in all subsequent re-releases of Prime, they had to remove the references to it absorbing weapons systems.

Drilltroid.

We'll keep digging till we reach the heavens!

 

[DragonGirl]

But... how did Metroids get in the crater? The Space Pirates couldn't breach the seal, and thus in all subsequent re-releases of Prime, they had to remove the references to it absorbing weapons systems.

They're metroids, they get everywhere and Space Pirates are notorious for failing to keep them properly contained. And feeding them inappropriate foods.

Also, the seal was imperfect. Phazon was still infesting the planet, though at a slowed rate. If it can seep out through crevices, small critters could get in. And we know from experience in Metroid games that the average planet resembles swiss cheese.

 

[Shin Johnpv]

But... how did Metroids get in the crater? The Space Pirates couldn't breach the seal, and thus in all subsequent re-releases of Prime, they had to remove the references to it absorbing weapons systems.

It always seemed to me that the Chozo used Metroids for more than just taking care of the X Parasite. So the Chozo on Talon IV probably brought some Metroids with them. Metroids were probably close to the impact crater, and chose a Metroid as the guardian thing, hence creating Metroid Prime. The Chozo tried to fight it, they didn't do so well, that's how it got some of their weapons. Then they decided screw this and sealed it away. That's how it came off to me anyway.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

They're metroids, they get everywhere and Space Pirates are notorious for failing to keep them properly contained. And feeding them inappropriate foods.

Also, the seal was imperfect. Phazon was still infesting the planet, though at a slowed rate. If it can seep out through crevices, small critter could get in. And we know from experience in Metroid games that the average planet resembles swiss cheese.

Yeah but... you found Metroid Prime shaped husks on Phaaze in MP3. So what did it incorporate from Metroids?


I just think that they didn't think about it and were making it up as they went along.

 

[The Technomancer]

But... how did Metroids get in the crater? The Space Pirates couldn't breach the seal, and thus in all subsequent re-releases of Prime, they had to remove the references to it absorbing weapons systems.

Enter the Space Pirates, evacuating their wrecked base on Zebes, they moved their remaining Metroids to Talon to continue breeding them. While there, they discovered Phazon and promptly started experimenting on it. One of their Metroid lab rats worked its way deep into the phazon mines where it was taken over by phazon and discovered in an advanced state of mutation and named Metroid Prime. Eventually it escaped the confines the Pirates tried to impose on it and made its way to the heart of the impact object from Phaaze. When Metroid Prime loses to Samus Aran, it absorbs her Phazon Suit and takes on a humanoid form.

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Ahh yes, there are some interesting differences between the lore writings of Prime's original release and Trilogy re-release. You could think of it this way. The Phazon entity or "Worm" could have originated from Phaaze. It is described as incorporating weapons systems into itself so why not incorporate lifeforms, like Metroids, as well? In other words, the Phazon entity was already there, but didn't become Metroid Prime until the Space Pirates helpfully provided Metroids for it to assimilate.

Seems a pretty good fan theory

 

[AceBandage]

Yeah but... you found Metroid Prime shaped husks on Phaaze in MP3. So what did it incorporate from Metroids?


I just think that they didn't think about it and were making it up as they went along.

That's very possible.
Like most Nintendo franchises, there's no real coherent story or series of events.
Just kind of loose fitting segments.

 

[FreedomFrisbee]

Kids! Kids! There were changes to the scanning lore after Retro realized there were plotholes! The NA version has the plotholey stuff. The EU version has changed lore material.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

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Seems a pretty good fan theory

That doesn't explain anything!

Phazon just landed outside the crater and the radius of the seal, and Phazon grows on its own, so I don't think it was the seal being imperfect.

I think Retro just assumed that Metroids were naturally occurring creatures that were very old, and once they found out that the Japanese side was going with a totally different origin story, nobody on either side thought it was a big enough deal to change everything so they just went "PHAZON!" and that was it.

 

[DragonGirl]

Yeah but... you found Metroid Prime shaped husks on Phaaze in MP3. So what did it incorporate from Metroids?


I just think that they didn't think about it and were making it up as they went along.

Well yes, they were making it all up as they went along. In reality, the prime husks were probably just there as reference flavor to tie everything together.

My retrofitted story, which I'm also making up on the spot, says those prime husks didn't appear on Phaaze until after Metroid Prime returned home to Phaaze with a cargo of Metroids. The Prime shells were constructed for use by newly mutated Metroids in the making.

or alternatively

The shelled form of Metroid Prime was its original form from Phaaze. The core form was its Metroid enhanced self. The whole tie in to Metroids is there because Metroid Prime actually created Metroids when it fought Samus and apparently had a symbiosis with them (in the Pirate logs) and maybe that's why they named it Metroid Prime. It spawned its own brand of Metroids.

 

[King Chozo]

It always seemed to me that the Chozo used Metroids for more than just taking care of the X Parasite. So the Chozo on Talon IV probably brought some Metroids with them. Metroids were probably close to the impact crater, and chose a Metroid as the guardian thing, hence creating Metroid Prime. The Chozo tried to fight it, they didn't do so well, that's how it got some of their weapons. Then they decided screw this and sealed it away. That's how it came off to me anyway.

This sounds like a reasonable explanation to me.

 

[The Technomancer]

Wow I'm playing Echoes for the first time and the tone shift is startling...the Marines landed, tried to set up a rudimentary camp out of scraps against the hostiles....I just walked in on a bunch of human bodies hanging from the ceiling.

Creepy

 

[Beth Cyra]

Wow I'm playing Echoes for the first time and the tone shift is startling...the Marines landed, tried to set up a rudimentary camp out of scraps against the hostiles....I just walked in on a bunch of human bodies hanging from the ceiling.

Creepy

Yeah, Prime 2 is easily the darkest game in the Prime trilogy story line wise.

 

[gdt]

Goddamn, I love MP2 soo much. As a game, it's better than MP1, but MP1 was such a revolution when it came out....

 

[Zoramon089]

That's very possible.
Like most Nintendo franchises, there's no real coherent story or series of events.
Just kind of loose fitting segments.

What...there is a very coherent story...

 

[Beth Cyra]

Goddamn, I love MP2 soo much. As a game, it's better than MP1, but MP1 was such a revolution when it came out....

I can understand this mindset for when things are launched obviously but when it comes time to look back and decide what is the better game it should be what is the better game.

It doesn't take the achievement away from any title, be it Prime/Halo/OoT/Mario 64 or whatever game you want to talk about, but when we look back ten years later and say which games are better it should be about which games are better and not what had a bigger impact.

I honestly believe these should be two seperate topics, but I am in a minority.

 

[Agent Unknown]

Ugh the British ad with grinning 30 yr old yuppy guy grinning and staring like a dork is painful.

Japanese ad with Famicom tribute and Samus sprite morphing into modern form OTOH is amazing.

 

[Kard8p3]

I'm not around my wii right now so I can't be sure but someone on metroid database said the live action trailer is on the nintendo channel.

 

[gdt]

I can understand this mindset for when things are launched obviously but when it comes time to look back and decide what is the better game it should be what is the better game.

It doesn't take the achievement away from any title, be it Prime/Halo/OoT/Mario 64 or whatever game you want to talk about, but when we look back ten years later and say which games are better it should be about which games are better and not what had a bigger impact.

I honestly believe these should be two seperate topics, but I am in a minority.

The thing is, I absolutely can't remove that feeling of playing Metroid Prime for the first time. Same for something like Ocarina of Time.

It's not nostalgia, more that I remember how fresh and new and groundbreaking it was (and still is), and that certainly counts when evaluating the game.

 

[Beth Cyra]

The thing is, I absolutely can't remove that feeling of playing Metroid Prime for the first time. Same for something like Ocarina of Time.

It's not nostalgia, more that I remember how fresh and new and groundbreaking it was (and still is), and that certainly counts when evaluating the game.

Oh I have that as well, don't get me wrong. But I do think that it is possbile to look at the games and decide which is a better game. I say decide because some will certainly think original titles are better then later games and I ain't saying they are wrong just because it is the first game. I just do think that certain games are better then those that break new ground is all.

 

[Agent Unknown]

I've never gotten around to beating Metroid 2 all the way through (I used to borrow it all the time back in junior high, I know it has flaws but it's still a lot of fun and of course has great music) and am craving to finally own it. So I go on ebay and see a complete copy with box and manual can go as high as 99.95, yowza. But I just dumped over $150 on brand new sets of the series One and Two SMB 3 e-card packs recently so I'll probably splurge eventually (GB/Color games on a the second revision GB SP's screen = crisp bliss).

 

[Kard8p3]

Got home and went to the nintendo channel to check out the live action ad. I think it's very nice.

 

[Silkworm]

I've never gotten around to beating Metroid 2 all the way through (I used to borrow it all the time back in Junior high, I know it has flaws but it's still a lot of fun and of course has great music) and am craving to finally own it. So I go on ebay and see a complete copy with box and manual can go as high as 99.95, yowza. But I just dumped over $150 on brand new sets of the series One and Two SMB 3 e-card packs recently so I'll probably splurge eventually (GB/Color games on a the second revision GB SP's screen = crisp bliss).

Hmmm, I used to have a copy of this game along with the original GameBoy. I enjoyed it a lot, though I'm not sure if I'd enjoy it as much nowadays. Tetris + Metroid II on the GB kept me happy for quite a while. I also had Zedla:LA and Super Mario Land 2, but I think that was about it. I wonder if I still have the Game Boy and cartridges sitting around somewhere? Probably not if they're back at home. They probably got tossed out along with my C64 :-( At least I still have my SNES

 

[Agent Unknown]

Hmmm, I used to have a copy of this game along with the original GameBoy. I enjoyed it a lot, though I'm not sure if I'd enjoy it nowadays. Wonder if I still have them sitting around. Probably not if they're back at home. They probably got tossed out along with my C64 :-( At least I still have my SNES

It was '92/93. Me and my friends at school took turns on the same save file passing the old Chunk Boy back and forth during down time in study hour or between turns in Phy Ed basketball, good times. I've been on an original Gameboy kick lately, last week I got a complete and near mint Super Mario Land off ebay for only $11.

Need to fire up the Nintendo Channel and watch the new Other M ad after I get home.

 

[Kard8p3]

Here it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CZqO5Z5uxU

 

[heringer]

Here it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CZqO5Z5uxU

Wow, awesome!

 

[DragonGirl]

I've liked every one of the live action Metroid commercials I've seen, like the original Prime commercial. This new one is really nice too.