boredandlazy
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Definitely. Same with move controllers.
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New Morpheus prototype shown (1920x1080, 120Hz OLED display, 1st Half of 2016)
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Well, as someone pointed out earlier, there seems to be something between the two lenses. I wonder if it is an eye-tracking camera.
I think Sony said that Morpheus does not requires calibration. The sensor in the middle is maybe for automatic calculation of the IPD [or maybe it is for something totally else].
The eye tracking tech will surely make an appearance for Morpheus Version 2 to ship with PS5...
Given the framerates VR needs to work within then eye tracking really could be the golden bullet to allow much better graphics for the relatively low power of the PS4 or any future console. I know it takes my eyes a good few milliseconds probably to look at something and focus and "get my bearings". I'd imagine the time it takes for your eyes to look in another direction and focus will be longer than the time it takes for a VR headset to render one new frame, a frame which will be adjusted accordingly for where your eye is now looking. This is my hunch but I'd love to see the science behind it explained to see if this is really the case. The Infamous eye tracking demo was really impressive I thought, hopefully it can be shrunk down soon.
Your peripheral vision really is very soft shapes and colours with little detail, and none you can "see" until you, well, look at it. Would also help increasing the field of view outwards to where it will hopefully completely envelope your entire field of view.
I'm surprised that no VR system has decided to simply extend the screen out wider and render just very basic colours representing your wider FOV, just to help immerse you. You can never see the detail that far out without seriously straining your eye balls. Imagine it having the benefit that those TV's do that blast colour out onto the wall behind, or like Microsoft displayed with the projector concept that extends the TV screen out beyond (in less detailed rendering but enough to help fill your view with the game world).
Given the framerates VR needs to work within then eye tracking really could be the golden bullet to allow much better graphics for the relatively low power of the PS4 or any future console. I know it takes my eyes a good few milliseconds probably to look at something and focus and "get my bearings". I'd imagine the time it takes for your eyes to look in another direction and focus will be longer than the time it takes for a VR headset to render one new frame, a frame which will be adjusted accordingly for where your eye is now looking. This is my hunch but I'd love to see the science behind it explained to see if this is really the case. The Infamous eye tracking demo was really impressive I thought, hopefully it can be shrunk down soon.
Your peripheral vision really is very soft shapes and colours with little detail, and none you can "see" until you, well, look at it. Would also help increasing the field of view outwards to where it will hopefully completely envelope your entire field of view.
I'm surprised that no VR system has decided to simply extend the screen out wider and render just very basic colours representing your wider FOV, just to help immerse you. You can never see the detail that far out without seriously straining your eye balls. Imagine it having the benefit that those TV's do that blast colour out onto the wall behind, or like Microsoft displayed with the projector concept that extends the TV screen out beyond (in less detailed rendering but enough to help fill your view with the game world).
I think they will release two sku, only Headset and a complete bundle with camera and move controller
That's actually a really good idea, something like Philips ambilight would be great and not hard to implement either. And you could still use it for those scary moments when something flashes at the edges of your periphery vision.
Could GAF explain me, which screen is better and why for VR - FullHD Oled Pentile or FullHD Oled Full RGB?
I thought that full rgb (like in Morpheus) will be obviously better because of those 'real' pixels, but recently someone trying to convince me, that pentile screen (like in DK2) is better in eliminating 'screen door effect' than full rgb so it's better choice for VR. And now I'm confused...
I thought that full rgb (like in Morpheus) will be obviously better because of those 'real' pixels, but recently someone trying to convince me, that pentile screen (like in DK2) is better in eliminating 'screen door effect' than full rgb so it's better choice for VR. And now I'm confused...
googleplex
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Actually RGB 'Should' be better due to it having 33% more sub pixels. At lest the way i understand it. Hopefully someone with more knowledge will explain it better.
Look like a camera but it seems to be too close to the middle of your eyebrows to be tracking your eyes unless it has a really wide angle lens
Mr_Antimatter
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Look like a camera but it seems to be too close to the middle of your eyebrows to be tracking your eyes unless it has a really wide angle lens
You know, this brings up a good point: how easy are these sorts of headsets to keep clean?
RedAssedApe
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ugh...things need to come with baby wipes lol
Foveated rendering is apparently a ways off still. It might not be ready in 5-6 years or whenever we see the next generation of consoles. It actually does need to be very fast. Your eyes don't need to be 100% focused on something to still see the effects of a blurred screen suddenly popping into clarity. In motion, this could look quite horrible as the system desperately tries to keep up with where you're looking. Accuracy is also important, and getting 3D cameras to do both extremely low latency with extremely high accuracy isn't easy.
In the short term, eye tracking would still be great for auto IPD configuration and gaze-based interactions. Foveated rendering is still a bit of a holy grail that's going to take some time to find.
And the whole 'flash colors in the periphery' idea isn't new so I'm guessing that its been experimented with and not used for some reason or the other. Perhaps when looking to the side with your eye, it becomes too noticeable. Or its not fast enough. Or sometimes there's just no ideal single color to flash and it makes it look weird.
I'd assume the final material won't be rubber. But that looks nasty.
They seemed to like morpheus too.
Valve were really smart with their SteamVR demos. They focused on the new trackin solution, and all the demos involved standing up and moving around. That presses the nerd buttons on the tech press who immediately start thinking of the holo deck and running around in virtual spaces. Never mind that won't be practical for 95% of people in their own homes, and most actual games are still likely to be sitting experiences. they stole the limelight both from the tech that they brought, and how they presented it.
Maybe it's a camera that will be used for heart rate monitoring or to give the PS4 your skin color so that it can track your hands better with the camera that's attached to the PS4.
Remember the Until Dawn demo had people wear a heart rate monitor & a VR Headset is the perfect chance to place a monitor on people.
Remember the Until Dawn demo had people wear a heart rate monitor & a VR Headset is the perfect chance to place a monitor on people.
Oculus tried it and said it was more distracting than without it.
I think if it was a heart rate monitor it would be built into the side forehead foam where they know it will always be pressed against your head and assures a solid reading, plus it's easy to hide there.
Mr_Antimatter
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It's very good tech, lets be honest. Morpheus is grand, but it's also not 'new' in that it's been shown before. Valve have the one two punch of brand new, and very good.
But if sony can keep a 'very good to great' imagine for the device, combined with well, being the only VR headset for consoles, and it could be a killer device in terms of sales.
I do hope they open it up to PC folks though, as an option. Would help with overall support, and potentially get some killer tech demos like we saw for the wiimote or Kinect back in the day.
I agree (and not least because it'd save me buying two headsets), but there are several hurdles to overcome and I'm not sure Sony will want to
- focus. If Sony need to support PC does that distract them from the PS4?
- price. If Sony prices morpheus competitively for console to get adoption, then they are throwing money away on PC. I do think maybe Sony dont subsidise it much though - it is a well specced device and if other headsets are eg $350-400 then why not sell it at around that price? Early adopters will still pay, and they probably won't have a ton of software at launch anyway - they can drop the price towards Christmas 2016.
- technical. If morpheus is reliant on the playstation camera and move (or a DS4), then that is more tech that needs to have PC drivers made - and in the case of the PS camera, a new plug as it is custom.
It just feels like too much to overcome, so I don't expect it, but it'll be a nice bonus if it happens.
googleplex
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Morpheus PC support is not going to happen.
BrokenIcarus
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Why?
Cross compatibility with both PS4 and PC would make this a much more convincing purchase for me.
mitchman
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Someone will figure it out and make their own drivers, if that's needed.
Its more than drivers. There's proprietary inputs to deal with as well. I don't think there would be a worthwhile community to port this to PC unofficially.
Another interview.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/...orpheus_according_to_Sonys_Shuhei_Yoshida.php
He also talked a bit about price with Polygon. Notably, the strategy around cost has diverged from more recent SCE hardware projects like PS4.
http://www.polygon.com/2015/3/5/8157541/project-morpheus-price
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/...orpheus_according_to_Sonys_Shuhei_Yoshida.php
He also talked a bit about price with Polygon. Notably, the strategy around cost has diverged from more recent SCE hardware projects like PS4.
http://www.polygon.com/2015/3/5/8157541/project-morpheus-price
I'm not to sure about this. If Sony can sell more of them and therefore build more > make them cheaper, it's a win fro them. Also they then have their own market (on PS4) and also have a foot in the territory of their competitors (PC: htc,OR).
googleplex
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There are zero advantages for Sony to bring Morpheus to PC. That's why. If Sony wants to establish a viable and profitable VR platform they need to sale Morpheus at razor thin profit margins to get it in as many hands as possible and make their money off Software.
They only way Morpheus officially comes to PC is for them to make a PC version and sell it at an inflated price to turn a profit. Or product some type of PC conversion kit/adapters also at an inflated price. But even starting up a separate production line would not justify the cost just to sell a few thousand to PC gamers who'd rather support Valve or Oculus.
No Sony is better off concentrating their efforts selling VR to the by then, 30 plus million PS4 owners.
They only way Morpheus officially comes to PC is for them to make a PC version and sell it at an inflated price to turn a profit. Or product some type of PC conversion kit/adapters also at an inflated price. But even starting up a separate production line would not justify the cost just to sell a few thousand to PC gamers who'd rather support Valve or Oculus.
No Sony is better off concentrating their efforts selling VR to the by then, 30 plus million PS4 owners.
Look like a camera but it seems to be too close to the middle of your eyebrows to be tracking your eyes unless it has a really wide angle lens
Could it be a proximity sensor like in the Gear VR? Automatically turns the screen off when not in use.
Betta Lines
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I'm trying to figure out why it has nose flaps...
I was really hoping for built-in eye-tracking in VR headsets (mostly because of the new gameplay possibilities it would open up) but, at least with the Morpheus, it kind of looks like that's not happening. I mean, they've said these were probably the final specs and they've talked about them quite openly. I just don't think they'd have a reason to keep eye-tracking under wraps if they had actually included it :/.
If Sony sells this thing at cost on PC, it gets them nothing, exactly googleplex. Oculus are going to be selling the Rift at or near cost as well. So Sony raising the price of the Morpheus for PC probably just means getting an inferior headset at a similar, or even worse(especially since you'll need the PS camera as well) price point.
Unless Sony plans on offering some sort of ecosystem for content on PC, they'll simply be taking away short term sales of PC headsets but with no real benefit to themselves. And then Morpheus will become outdated within a year or two and it wont be relevant anymore.
It just seems like there's so little upside.
Unless Sony plans on offering some sort of ecosystem for content on PC, they'll simply be taking away short term sales of PC headsets but with no real benefit to themselves. And then Morpheus will become outdated within a year or two and it wont be relevant anymore.
It just seems like there's so little upside.
Business
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Yeah that's a bit strange... maybe to hold it in place as it's not pushing in your face like the other designs?
googleplex
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Exactly. While I completely understand why some folk like me who own a Beefy PC and PS4 don't want to have to buy 2 headsets. It unreasonable to expect Sony to support a platform that not their's. It's out side of their business model.
Besides from a game development stand point. Their is little difference between the various Headset. There is going to be lots of cross platform development for VR experiences. I'm pretty confident that the best of the best Indie VR games will find their way to Morpheus. Well, besides the porn that is.
That's what I was thinking. Maybe to try and avoid the risk of screen burn with the OLED if someone is AFK for a while.
Sony doesn't have to price this at razor thin prices if they were to launch on another platform like PC. They could build something that's superior to the other headsets and have the advantage of making it easy to go from PS4 to PC and vice versa.
As a company in the middle of a overhaul and the focus shifting towards gaming, I could see quite a few reasons why sony would consider PC and even mobile. The only caveat is that I don't think they would sacrifice PS headset sales so the console headset has to take off.
If they could establish their headsets across different platforms and become a leader in VR, I'm pretty sure they'd jump at the chance. I think far too many people view the industry in this GAF style tribal console war mindset and it isn't entirely accurate of how a business operates.
As a company in the middle of a overhaul and the focus shifting towards gaming, I could see quite a few reasons why sony would consider PC and even mobile. The only caveat is that I don't think they would sacrifice PS headset sales so the console headset has to take off.
I don't know when sony has been particularly reluctant to make money anywhere when they had the chance.
If they could establish their headsets across different platforms and become a leader in VR, I'm pretty sure they'd jump at the chance. I think far too many people view the industry in this GAF style tribal console war mindset and it isn't entirely accurate of how a business operates.
More comfortable on the nose compared to the hard plastic.
Betta Lines
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Hmm. Well the DK2 barely touches my nose at all, it just fits in the gap.
Ahh.... that could be it - to block the gap - where light can get in (although I use that regularly to peer at stuff, such as hunting for my keyboard, while wearing the DK2)...
It's of little value to them if someone buys a Morpheus (at low or no margin for Sony), and then proceeds to buy zero Playstation software because they're using it on PC.
Sony's core business is about selling software, and for the moment at least, they're choosing not to sell software outside of their own platforms. We can argue that they could open a store on PC, but this would give them a less exclusive relationship with a consumer (who could very easily switch to Steam or Origin or any other PC service), something that is a much looser arrangement with the consumer than when they pick up a machine (a Playstation) where Sony is the only vendor in town.
googleplex
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Because the head set is only a small part of the equation. They'd have to develop PC drivers for the PS4eye Move DS4 and not to mention the front end rendering and warping software. You're basically asking then to Support a platform they make Zero software dollars from.
Like I said it makes Zero sense. There will be 5 plus VR head sets for PC by next year. Adding Morpheus to this list does no one any good. Particularly Sony.
Alternatively, you could argue that by selling a Morpheus to a PC owner, they would create incitament for the PC owner to go buy a PS4 if they wanted to play a PS4 exclusive or first-party title that's only available on PS4.
I see the argument about driver support though.
Dargor
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Sorry to butt in, but I really think it would be a good idea to have a version with both Move and Pseye, at a slightly lower price point, for those who have neither.
Like if you bought everything together in one bundle, you'd get a U$25,00/U$50,00 discount when compared to buying it separately.
I think it would be easier to grab a bigger audience that way. Having it sold separately and bundled.
Drivers are nothing, they have dedicated teams to that and its relatively a nothing development cost.
I don't understand why Sony, a mostly hardware company, has to make software dollars for their hardware to be considered viable.
Because, outside of Nintendo, that's generally how the console business works.
googleplex
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Then you seriously don't understand the console business model. Sony makes pennies on selling a PS4 machine. They make their dollars from every piece of PS4 software sold.
boredandlazy
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Or course. But a headset only SKU is what I'd like to buy.
googleplex
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Same here. I already have a Camara, Move and DS4. I'm like 3/4 of the way to PSvr.
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