But how are we supposed to operate it?
New Nintendo patent application - Nintendo NX related?
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But how are we supposed to operate it?
All of this was kind of believable until it said region free lol.
Foldedpencil
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Finally Miyamoto has the controller necessary to make F-Zero!
TheMoon
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That might actually be more relevant than you (maybe?) intended. Considering how that (depending on final execution) allows for a new interesting way to do the L/R drift.
Sheriff_Battlesnake
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I bet it'll be a lot better quality. They learned from their playschool mistakes.
Then again, who am I kidding!
Then again, who am I kidding!
Also, while the actual image is just used for illustration purposes and generally has no baring on which features will be used in what quantity (main example being the two face buttons) the fact that the abstract discusses the touchscreen in detailed legalese points to it being included in whatever final form the NX controller takes.
If this is the NX controller, of course.
If this is the NX controller, of course.
James Scott
Banned
From the NX discussion thread:
Anyone else got some cool ideas for it ?
Or any other details about the scrollable triggers? I heard some people say it can move on its own and has haptic feedback but I'm not sure if that's true
Also, maybe SR (scroll Right trigger) can shoot and you can scroll with the SL to zoom in?
Anyone else got some cool ideas for it ?
Or any other details about the scrollable triggers? I heard some people say it can move on its own and has haptic feedback but I'm not sure if that's true
MrCunningham
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Nintendo patented a GBA with dual analogue sticks?
MisterHero
Super Member
Sounds good and all but we really need a few killer applications for it to take off
You laugh but Nintendo once sent me two mannequin hands in the mail
You laugh but Nintendo once sent me two mannequin hands in the mail
In the 90's I had a Sony mobile with scrolling wheel, worked remarkably well as an extra interface input device. This was like 10-12 years before touch screens were the norm, but it worked really well to navigate through menu's. I actually really loved that phone before it's "talkstick" broke. I'm curious how it would work/feel, but i'm optimistic.
Sorry if it's off-topic, but it's the first thing I thought about when seeing the patent.
Sorry if it's off-topic, but it's the first thing I thought about when seeing the patent.
TheCongressman1
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Scroll wheel shoulder buttons are something that I'm very surprised that no one has tried before (for gaming devices). Seems like a really usefully addition that won't get in the way, unlike some of their recent innovations.
I keep thinking how great it would be for menus, and selecting items from a hotbar, Monster Hunter especially.
I keep thinking how great it would be for menus, and selecting items from a hotbar, Monster Hunter especially.
Disorientator
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Ok so digging a little deeper, and using this patent application's inventor as my lead, I found another interesting patent application.
The assignee/applicant is not Nintendo but Kazutoshi Obana, which Linkedin says he's a Nintendo "Group Chief".
I first thought it could just be a coincidence, but later after checking all the inventors listed it got pretty clear they work for Nintendo.
I think it's just impossible for different teams at different companies to have so many engineers with the same names. (but please correct me if you find some evidence suggesting otherwise)
There is actually United States Patent Application 20150263685 and European Patent Application EP2902879, which look exactly the same.
They both show a tablet-like device (again designs could be just placeholders) with dual vibration sections and interestingly, the European patent application is named "Haptic based information processing apparatus, information processing program, information processing system, and information processing method".
The whole point of the applications seem to be the controllable vibration but I could be wrong.
Didn't want to create a new thread as this one is still moving along rather nicely, and it wouldn't hurt if the sources got cross-checked/confirmed.
The assignee/applicant is not Nintendo but Kazutoshi Obana, which Linkedin says he's a Nintendo "Group Chief".
I first thought it could just be a coincidence, but later after checking all the inventors listed it got pretty clear they work for Nintendo.
I think it's just impossible for different teams at different companies to have so many engineers with the same names. (but please correct me if you find some evidence suggesting otherwise)
There is actually United States Patent Application 20150263685 and European Patent Application EP2902879, which look exactly the same.
They both show a tablet-like device (again designs could be just placeholders) with dual vibration sections and interestingly, the European patent application is named "Haptic based information processing apparatus, information processing program, information processing system, and information processing method".
The whole point of the applications seem to be the controllable vibration but I could be wrong.
Didn't want to create a new thread as this one is still moving along rather nicely, and it wouldn't hurt if the sources got cross-checked/confirmed.
Refreshment.01
Member
But we did XD
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=38268861
refreshment.01 said:
Nah, the rotary bumpers alone can't achieve what the Steam controller is doing.
People are selling this short by thinking alone the line of a mouse scroll wheel. This is more like a one axis trackball in functionality.
An interesting use is camera control. An specific case not mentioned yet is complementing motion aiming with the gyro, think Splatton. Tilt is a very easy ann natural to do with a 2 handed controller, however lateral motion in the X axis is a more demanding. So you could use the wheel to control X axis and Tilt to control Y.
i would prefer a track pad for index finger use instead. The advance of haptics and the increase in precision have made trackpads too useful not to have. i do understand you can use the touch screen as a trackpad but i would like a more focused position for one.
Ok so digging a little deeper, and using this patent application's inventor as my lead, I found another interesting patent application.
The assignee/applicant is not Nintendo but Kazutoshi Obana, which Linkedin says he's a Nintendo "Group Chief".
I first thought it could just be a coincidence, but later after checking all the inventors listed it got pretty clear they work for Nintendo.
I think it's just impossible for different teams at different companies to have so many engineers with the same names. (but please correct me if you find some evidence suggesting otherwise)
There is actually United States Patent Application 20150263685 and European Patent Application EP2902879, which look exactly the same.
They both show a tablet-like device (again designs could be just placeholders) with dual vibration sections and interestingly, the European patent application is named "Haptic based information processing apparatus, information processing program, information processing system, and information processing method".
The whole point of the applications seem to be the controllable vibration but I could be wrong.
Didn't want to create a new thread as this one is still moving along rather nicely, and it wouldn't hurt if the sources got cross-checked/confirmed.
Nice find! I always felt that haptics would be a perfect evolution of the touchscreen Nintendo introduced with the DS, but I didn't think we'd see it so soon.
Map and menu navigation would be easy. Drifting in Mario kart or Fzero would be interesting. Maybe rolling in smash bros? I don't know but it sounds neat.
Cmon, you aren't even trying
This all sounds incredible
I'm extremely excited by the sounds of all of these things. With both the Wii and Wii U, I looked at the big innovation at first while scratching my head, but then learned to love them both later on once the games proved the gimmick to be worthwhile...but I'm loving the sound of these patents right out of the gate, and I really hope these are things that they intend to use instead of just some random stuff never intended to see the light of day.
Nostremitus
Member
That wasn't nice.
I wasn't being all that serious.
But, since you said something, scroll wheel triggers are cool and all, but if you don't have enough buttons for modern games it's pointless. From the Nintendo patents I've seen (which admittedly aren't many) the diagrams seem indicative of what the product will look like. Removal of the X and Y buttons would be a bad thing. Scroll wheels cannot replace that functionality for the same reason the GameCube digital click at the bottom of the analog trigger couldn't replace the missing shoulder button.
Hopefully that's just a placeholder image so that people could recognize it as a controller and the number of buttons shown in not relevant.
MrCunningham
Member
Nah, I'm not. But only having two face buttons does look kind of silly. I get that Nintendo's R&D team is trying to reinvent the should button once again, and they may use a screen with haptic feedback. Which may bring up some interesting new ideas to play with. But on the practical level, I hope the controller is not this minimalistic. I think they should stick too something a little more generic that would please third party publishers.
To Far Away Times
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Übermatik;179123042 said:
Yeah, I'm liking this alot.
wild wild rice
Member
We're gonna be so disappointed if Nintendo ends up not using this idea.
Trevelyan9999
Banned
Are you sure? Sounds like this idea for the patent sounds even better, a previous post did mention:
Wouldn't that allow for more freedom of movement for a camera/free look control with the those? In an FPS game you can do all the movement and looking/strafing with one hand, while the other hand can fire, switch weapons etc.
James Scott
Banned
It's likely not going have just two buttons. The patent is just an example
OmegaSmash
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In the 90's I had a Sony mobile with scrolling wheel, worked remarkably well as an extra interface input device. This was like 10-12 years before touch screens were the norm, but it worked really well to navigate through menu's. I actually really loved that phone before it's "talkstick" broke. I'm curious how it would work/feel, but i'm optimistic.
Sorry if it's off-topic, but it's the first thing I thought about when seeing the patent.
Huh. Reminds me of how MGSV's iDroid "work" in universe.
Candescence
Member
Scrollable shoulder buttons ala mouse wheel? That's... That's actually fairly brilliant. I will be most disappoint if this isn't implemented.
Imagine, say, an F-Zero game with those controls. Like each scroll shoulder button controls an engine, so if you want to go through a corner without losing too much speed you just adjust one of the engines and blow through.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dCvSHDQ_So
They give full credit to NeoGAF, Disorientator and Taker666 for this.
They give full credit to NeoGAF, Disorientator and Taker666 for this.
Scroll wheel shoulder buttons sound amazing, if implemented right. Small innovation to a classic feature that really works well, and hard to call a gimmick when there's likely not a single game that couldn't benefit from it in some way and it's such a small thing.
I expect this to be a thing.
I'm sure someone has. If you mean why no one in the industry has? Well... I'll just say that it doesn't shock me that this is Nintendo's patent and leave it at that.
I expect this to be a thing.
I'm sure someone has. If you mean why no one in the industry has? Well... I'll just say that it doesn't shock me that this is Nintendo's patent and leave it at that.
Automatic scrolling makes me think of a good implementation for a starfox type of game.
Basic up down left right control of your ship with an analogue stick, but the full left or right lean to get through narrow spaces or make faster turns could be controlled by sliding your finger back and forth on the scrolling shoulder button. And then barrel rolls could be done by just flicking it and letting it spin. You can stop it whenever you want, but if you don't it'll continue until it slows itself down and stops on its own.
Basic up down left right control of your ship with an analogue stick, but the full left or right lean to get through narrow spaces or make faster turns could be controlled by sliding your finger back and forth on the scrolling shoulder button. And then barrel rolls could be done by just flicking it and letting it spin. You can stop it whenever you want, but if you don't it'll continue until it slows itself down and stops on its own.
Mr_Antimatter
Member
mouse wheel shoulders? could work, really depends on how clicky they are. Too easy to rotate and you risk triggering some other action in the head of the moment.
Mr. MondayNight
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You're piloting a damaged plane in an adventure game, the wheels start to turn as your plane starts to lean to the left or right as you start to lose altitude, you must turn the wheels to their previous position to steady the plane and keep it in the air.
Or
Same scenario but it's a WWII era B52 bomber and the engine stalls, turn the wheels to kick start the engines on their respective sides of the plane.
Or
Same scenario but it's a WWII era B52 bomber and the engine stalls, turn the wheels to kick start the engines on their respective sides of the plane.
I REALLY want to try advanced scroll wheel drifting in Mario Kart and Fzero. Could be incredible, especially if there is force feedback and analog triggers. Imaging the feedback changing depending on the speed coming into a drift, the angle of approach, and/or the terrain type. It would be great if a jump or a puddle pushed back more than flat road. Also having the scroll wheels counter rotate slightly against you while you modulate drifting with the stick. Like making you struggle slightly with keeping the drift going by pulling the opposite way from the stick direction. Sounds super immersive and if it includes (analog?) zl and zr could be a really cool handheld/controller. I'm also wondering about rolling in fighting games like smash. Having variable roll distances could be neat. I like this idea, hoping to see it implemented next year!
Trevelyan9999
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OmegaSmash
Member
For Mario Kart, I see the wheels being use for switching held items (if the bring that back and let you hold more than 2) and directing where the item would fall. Like dropping a banana to your side instead of just in front or the back.
I think the Wii U and the N3DS are showing the evolutionary path the next controller will take. I'm guessing we get abxy, dual analog (top oriented, circle pads on the handheld), touch screen, Scroll L&R, and ZL ZR (maybe analog). Then add in newer versions of the motion stuff used in Splatoon, special haptic rumble, and the three home/start/select row.
Scroll wheel shoulder buttons... Holy cow. How have I never thought of this? Replace L and R with a clicky mouse wheel. So simple, so smart.
A lot of people are talking about this on a controller, but much more exciting to me is how this could solve the ergonomics problem of multiple shoulder buttons on a handheld. A scroll wheel can be roughly the size of one normal shoulder button, but allows at least two extra inputs (scroll right and scroll left, in addition to click in). One on each side, and suddenly you have access to four more inputs without increasing the size of the device at all. And in a really intuitive, user-friendly form, too. That's amazing!
Haptic feedback stuff is whatever, though.
A lot of people are talking about this on a controller, but much more exciting to me is how this could solve the ergonomics problem of multiple shoulder buttons on a handheld. A scroll wheel can be roughly the size of one normal shoulder button, but allows at least two extra inputs (scroll right and scroll left, in addition to click in). One on each side, and suddenly you have access to four more inputs without increasing the size of the device at all. And in a really intuitive, user-friendly form, too. That's amazing!
Haptic feedback stuff is whatever, though.
Same here.
It's a shame that we'll probably never get it.