lukilladog
Member
tv´s can´t do 50hz or something?. Cheap lcd monitors have been handling 50-75hz since they were 4:3.
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New RE3 patch just went live, fixes Xbox performance issues
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thelastword
Banned
What are you talking about, the resolution is CB 1620p, same as PRO...... This is not how XBONEX was marketed. ... Where is that 43% uplift...... PS4 beat XBONES at a higher resolution with better effects and better framerate in most games.... This is far from the true 4k console with no compromises.
captainraincoat
Banned
Here we go....it’s back to resolution again
FlyyGOD
Member
It's never the devolpers fault for underutilization of the system is it?
Bogroll
Likes moldy games
I called that poster out the other day but obviously he didn't reply. He claimed the PS4 did 1080p with better effects and framerate than Xbox at 720p in a lot of games. I asked him to name one, he never replied.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
its a loosing battle, some people just have agendas. just read the posts for the fun they are lol goal post moving al the time
RSB
Banned
Reducing the resolution to 1620p is a good move to get better framerates on the XB1X, but yeah, Capcom should have kept 4k as an option.
In fact, having those kind of options should be the norm, especially now that Microsoft is taking Backwards Compatibility very seriously. The 4k60 option is too much for the XB1X, but with the added power of XBSX it should be doable.
Edit: Wolfenstein 2 TNC and Youngblood did this very well IMO.
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TheAdmiester
Member
Xbox runs a tiny bit slower: Framerate is king and always has been!
Xbox runs smoother at the same res: Resolution is king and always has been!
That should make it obvious enough to everyone that TLW isn't a serious poster. He's only doing it for entertainment so we may as well enjoy it.
Armorian
Banned
You can't force console to output 50Hz and even if you could games would stutter like mutherfucker (30fps on 50hz doesn't look good, nor any other framerate aside 50fps obviously).
Yeah it's sad that developers don't care about user preferences. Things like disable motion blur/depth of field/chromatic aberration should be mandatory and performance/resolution options with 30fps locks and variable (would still look good with VRR) too, I doubt it will be common next gen ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
GetSchwifty
Banned
This is funny... pinned top comment from the linked VG Tech video.
He just keep going as well and he has a little bit of a point, but It's crazy for him to think that RE3 owners on Xbox should wait a further 8 months and purchase another $5-600 console in order to play a game they've already purchased at stable framerates. It's a mind-boggling perspective.
He just keep going as well and he has a little bit of a point, but It's crazy for him to think that RE3 owners on Xbox should wait a further 8 months and purchase another $5-600 console in order to play a game they've already purchased at stable framerates. It's a mind-boggling perspective.
New Yorks Finest
Banned
This English "bloke" He angry
and salty AF
X beats all head to heads vs Pro...DEAL WITH IT you numb nut of the forums.
GetSchwifty
Banned
This English "bloke" He angry
X beats all head to heads vs Pro...DEAL WITH IT you numb nut of the forums.
There were zero factual inaccuracies with his post though?
X1X is an underpowered 4K machine, and it BOMBED HARD on the market, DEAL WITH IT.
New Yorks Finest
Banned
Try harder ..not even close...on your way out don't forget to grab on to his pocket and hold it real tight, blue team buddies
X is miles better than the Pro and SeriesX Annihilation on every head to head @ DF..aha..yea..yea..wha??!! You were saying something.?..sit your ass down, Nnnneeeext!!
GetSchwifty
Banned
Try harder ..not even close...on your way out don't forget to grab on to his pocket and hold it real tight, blue team buddies
X is miles better than the Pro and SeriesX Annihilation on every head to head @ DF..aha..yea..yea..wha??!! You were saying something.?..sit your ass down, Nnnneeeext!!
I didn't try and I don't need to try. X1B is a failure and they're basically being given away, and you know what? People still don't want them.
BTW, who's that dancing in the pic? It's you right? You realise that makes you the salty one?
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New Yorks Finest
Banned
I didn't try and I don't need to try. X1B is a failure and they're basically being given away, and you know what? People still don't want them.
Now when you say an X a "Failure" I know who Im dealin here with, Delusional squad of salty dum-dums. And another down in the salty bum doushe list
Goddamn SeriesX DOMINATION will be a suicide watch for so many..good times ahead.
Edit. Wait tha fuck up!!..39 messages created an alt account by some banned bum on the GAF?..GTFO, not another min will be wasted on your bum ass.
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GetSchwifty
Banned
X1X absolutely is a disaster on the market and being discounted everywhere. Damn, if you think that's a success... I'd hate to see what your failure looks like.Now when you say an X a "Failure" I know who Im dealin here with, Delusional squad of salty dum-dums. And another down in the salty bum doushe list
Goddamn SeriesX DOMINATION will be a suicide watch for so many..good times ahead.
GetSchwifty
Banned
Enjoy your salty tic-tacs friend. Don't eat them all in one go, they'll give you kidney stones.
thelastword
Banned
In some of these cases I agree, it's why I've been saying in the majority of these cases devs are pushing the rez on XBONEX way too high than it can muster, hence why framerates fall below PRO in so many games.....It's in these scenarios XBOX fans say to me, but the rez is way higher than PRO, but that's my whole point isn't it.....Rez has to fall on XBONEX to match or exceed PRO's framerate......
The truth is with all the extra Vram and bandwidth that XBONEX was touted as having with an extra 1.8TF over PRO, you expect much better from XBONEX in such scenarios......TBF, this is not even a 1620p native, this is using CB to get to final rez…...So currently the divide is 57.61 average on PRO vs 59.14 on XBONEX at the same resolution......Based on the TF divide, I would expect XBONEX to be at least 1800p vs PRO's 1620p with slightly better effects and framerate....I'm not sure a console matching PRO's resolution with not much of a huge divide in framerate is something to boast about.....
However, I will say, the game getting patched is a good thing, few games actually do get patched to improve framerate, since so many try to push the 4k moniker on XBOX too hard......Even then, some people tried to pretend it was fine before this patch due to the higher rez, NO it was certainly not....I'm pretty sure it's a much better game to play right now on XBONEX due to the massive uplift in frames...
As I always say, framerate before rez, the only time you push rez higher is when you have a huge surplus of frames....
01011001
Banned
Final Fantasy XV = 2X the amount of pixels with the same performance
Red Dead Redemption 2 = 2X the amount of pixels with better performance
Rocket League = 2X the amount of pixels with the same performance
Modern Warfare =1.6X to 2X the amount of pixels with slightly lower performance
do you see a pattern here?
the One X is punching way above the expected difference when you just look at the teraflops numbers. it regularly renders twice as many pixels a second compared to the Pro, sometimes with slightly worse framerates, sometimes with slightly better framerates.
so what exactly did you expect from the system? 4.2TF vs 6TF and what you get in many games is a 2x boost in raw pixel pushing performance on a system with 1.4x the raw TFLOP performance compared to the PS4 pro.
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Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Don’t bother, it’s like arguing with the jehovah's witnesses when they knock on your door. They will just keep standing there talking bollocks.
Best off just closing the door and leaving them to it. Common sense is not in their vocabulary, they believe something far different.
Best off just closing the door and leaving them to it. Common sense is not in their vocabulary, they believe something far different.
DaGwaphics
Member
Reading through these threads is great entertainment through boring times. 
SDF really trying to work the price angle as MS clears the channel of XboneX.
SDF really trying to work the price angle as MS clears the channel of XboneX.
thelastword
Banned
I'm not going down that path, there are many other games which have a very high resolution and XBONEX loses in framerate...…..,Even RE3 had to basically match PRO's resolution to push slightly ahead of PRO in framerate. No one has denied that there are some exceptions where XBONEX has better resolutions with about par or slightly better performance, but you rarely see exceptions in the vein of BF4, Project Cars, and pretty much the majority of games on PS4 vs XBONES......Where it was a clean sweep in all categories......It's how the majority of multiplats on PS4 played out vs XBONES as opposed to XBONEX vs PRO…..Just that XBONEX was boasted to be a much bigger gap than PS4 vs XBONES and Phil said that PRO should be compared to an XBONES and not XBONEX.....In that sense, we expected much better from XBONEX over PRO and a consistent uplift in all categories as we saw on PS4 vs XBONES...
DaGwaphics
Member
Mathematically, there isn't as much difference between the PS4 Pro and One X as there is between PS4 and One (especially in regards to the memory system). The base PS4 should have a clear victory in all multi-plats when considering pixel count along with frame time. A game would need to be extremely CPU bound for that not to be the case. I need to see a reputable source for this Spencer comment about Pro being more like a One S.
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thelastword
Banned
Well people have been boasting the extra Vram and bandwidth when they want to show how superior XBONEX is over PRO, but when many games comes along and XBONEX can't hold it's resolution over framerate, people just say, the rez is super high as justification, no matter the framerate.....In RE3, I'm sure they could push PRO's rez to CB 2160 too and get just slightly lower frames than what we saw on XBONEX prior patch, but who does that benefit.....Frames first and rez after....It's the most important rule....
As for Phil;
https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/...-everybody-claims-ps4-pro-competes-xbox-one-s
DaGwaphics
Member
Not really, no, frame time at 4k would be significantly worse on the Pro due to the higher bandwidth required by the frame buffer at 4k.
That is an out-there quote from Spencer, full PR mode detected.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
You’re really in here shitting up the thread with this conspiracy crap. Like a moth to a flame. Don’t.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
You do know there’s head room for better res and keeping that frame rate. The difference between the two consoles allows it. Watch it get patched again with better res and the same frame rate
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
sendit
Member
With
With the resolution dropping down to 4 Teraflop levels. That is roughly a 50% reduction in Teraflops (down from 6 sustained). Are you stating this was a lie now?
This is funny... pinned top comment from the linked VG Tech video.
He just keep going as well and he has a little bit of a point, but It's crazy for him to think that RE3 owners on Xbox should wait a further 8 months and purchase another $5-600 console in order to play a game they've already purchased at stable framerates. It's a mind-boggling perspective.
With the resolution dropping down to 4 Teraflop levels. That is roughly a 50% reduction in Teraflops (down from 6 sustained). Are you stating this was a lie now?
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lukilladog
Member
Ms and Sony can make consoles output 50 or 74hz easily with an update. Those games that can´t reach perfect 60fps, they play great @50fps/50hz, games running around 40fps look way smoother locked at 37fps/74hz than 30fps/60hz. So I don´t understand why sony and ms never did it.
BigLee74
Member
No please go down it. Please go through every game released on the Pro and X, and detail both average resolution and average frame rate. I'm fairly sure you're almost anal/fanboy mad enough to have kept notes.
Let's see all these games on the Pro that perform better than they do on the X. And by better, let's not pretend 1 fps here or there with half the resolution satisfies the criteria. Put your money where your mouth always is (and I don't mean in Sony's ass).
Armorian
Banned
It's not immpossible to implement of course but 50hz output could be interesting only at the beggining of the generation and it would have to taken in mind by developers, option like that right now would probably break many 60fps games (internal speed). Plus I don't think all HDTVs on american market can handle 50Hz, there is no "normal" source of signal like that (aside from PC maybe), 75Hz is completly out of the question as only some monitors support it.
I used to switch my driver to 50 of even 48Hz for most demanding games for smooth gameplay when I didn't have adaptive sync monitor, it works quite well on PC but now that VRR/AS is heading to NG consoles (even X1X supports it) there is no hope for Hz switches other than 60-120Hz.
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CitizenX3639
Banned
No compromises
diffusionx
Gold Member
The Xbox One X, if I recall, was designed to do at 4K what the One could do at 1080p. But since most games these days run at more like 1600x900 on the One, it makes sense the One X struggles to hit full 4K. I will say though, I don't think the One X has done as well vs. the PS4 Pro as I would have thought when it came out years ago, especially after Shadow of War which was an early One X patch and it blew away the Pro version.
If only there was a platform that would give you a full range of these options, including frame rate caps and variable refresh. I really wish there was a platform that did that.
If only there was a platform that would give you a full range of these options, including frame rate caps and variable refresh. I really wish there was a platform that did that.
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